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LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MINUTES MARCH 3, 1987 PAGE 6 / A. MSA Street Project Update 1 At the last council meeting, City Engineer Bohrer was authorized to conduct limited field surveys and determine the proximity of the proposed road improvements to the Zibell-Krueger residence and the Hesse outbuildings. Kimbro Avenue and 43rd Street Curve City Engineer Bohrer reported that the centerline of a 40 mph curve was staked out at the corner of Kimbro Avenue and 43rd Street. At its closest point, the centerline of the road would be 37 feet from the southwest corner of the Zibell-Krueger house. This means the house would be adjacent to the new right-of-way line with no setback. With various degrees of superelevation on the curve, we may be able to pull the curve up to 20 feet away from the house. Past experience with State Aid variances indicates that a tighter curve designed for less than 40 mph would not be approved. The results of proceeding with this road would be to take a house which presently conforms to setbacks and create a non -conformity. Also, if the approximately 1.5 acres needed for the curve would be taken by condemnation, the monetary award for damages would most probably include the value of the house. The City probably could not acquire the right-of-way for the curve without also compensating the owners for the value of the house. Kimbro Avenue and 50th Street Presently, the Hesse farm buildings are located on both sides of 50th Street. The house and garage are located on the north side and the barn, silo, and milk house are located on the south side. In this case, the centerline of the new road would be the same as the existing road. The closest buildings are the garage located 39 feet north of centerline and the silo and milkhouse, at 37 feet and 36 feet, respectively, south of centerline. These buildings presently do not conform to setbacks and the road improvements will not increase their non -conformity. These buildings do not appear to be in the way for construction. There is a low concrete retaining wall adjacent to the milkhouse that would have to be removed, but this can be restored with sloping and landscaping. Jim Graupner, 4477 Kimbro Avenue N., asked why these could not be made into streets and put stop signs at both junctures (43rd and Kimbro and 50th and Kimbro). Bohrer responded that the road design standards are tied to the funding. The City is planning to use MSA State Aid funds for this road. In order to qualify for these funds certain minimum design standards are required. The road has to be designed to 40 mph and 90 degree corners would not be allowed unless there were other connecting streets. The purpose of State Aid funds is to provide funds for collector type streets, not just local streets. Anything less than 40 mph is considered a local street. The Future Land Use Plan for this area of Lake Elmo is maintaining rural atmosphere (Ag use or large lot subdivisions). Because of this, there are no thoroughfares being planned.