HomeMy WebLinkAboutPZ Minutes 10-27-14Lake Elmo Planning Commission Minutes; 10-27-14
City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of October 27, 2014
Chairman Williams called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning Commission at
7:00 p.m.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Williams, Dodson, Kreimer, Larson, Lundgren, Dorschner
and Haggard
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Klatt and Planning Intern Casey
Riley
Approve Agenda:
The agenda was accepted as presented.
Approve Minutes: October 13, 2014
M/S/P: Haggard/Dorschner move to postpone the minutes; Vote: 7-0, motion carried
unanimously.
Business Item: Rural Area Analysis Presentation
Business Item: Design Standards Discussion
Planning Intern Riley started her presentation by stating that there is 3 different
portions. Research relating to growth, rural inventory and 4 hypothetical growth
scenarios. 2 main points kept coming up. New development being built is always more
cost effective when infrastructure is present. Second, low density development is more
land intensive and can change the look and feel of the community. Open land and farm
land is much cheaper to a city. For each dollar of revenue for this land only .27 is spent.
For every dollar in revenue for residential land $1.07 is spent.
Riley explained what each type of land category is. High density, which would not be
seen in Lake Elmo, large lot, low-density, urbanized and working land. Klatt stated that
the large expenditures, whether it is in urban or suburban areas, are public safety, roads
and schools. Maintaining roads and public safety is the highest per capita costs. There
are storm water impacts and water quality impacts with growth. There are extensive
wetlands in the rural areas and they might be damaged if there is extensive growth.
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There was a discussion regarding the average value of a 2.5 acre lot and what that
would be. Williams thought that the value of the homes should be included in the
report if we are comparing to expenditures.
Klatt went through the City’s zoning history and Comprehensive Plan history and
explained how we got to where we are today. One of the major changes that has
happened is the forecast number. This gives the City a lot more flexibility for the rural
areas. From a staff perspective, there are more options to choose from. The big issue
for staff is road access. The larger parcels are generally located on the larger roads and
there might be some spacing issues. Staff is concerned that if the rural areas change
and are more developed, does that change the character of the City. Is that consistent
with the Comprehensive Plan? Looking at the studies, when a residential home is next
to open space, the market value is higher. In general, large lot development creates a
higher cost of services. Questions that the Planning Commission might want to explore.
What is the City’s intent with the rural character? How does open space play into that?
Does it need to be commonly owned or can it be owned privately? How does access
management play into growth? Should the City be encouraging new well or septic
systems? Are higher density uses reasonable in rural areas? How does agriculture
factor into Lake Elmo’s future? Do we want to preserve that into the future? Does the
City want to allow rural estates in the City? Do we want to allow some kind of hybrid
zoning? Should the City move to be more restrictive in zoning in these areas?
Klatt stated that they are looking for feedback from the Planning Commission on how to
move forward if at all. This area has potential to have even greater impact to the City
than the urban areas.
The Commission would like to know at what point the growth does not pay for itself.
Klatt stated that most Cities have a better mix of commercial and residential to offset
each other. Kreimer wants to understand the shared septic. He is wondering if there
are problems with other shared septic. Dodson stated that in Farms of Lake Elmo, the
HOA has to have some level of knowledge. The design of the system was faulty and it
caused the system to shut down. There is a problem with having HOA’s managing these
complicated system. The Planning Commission has concerns with shared septic due to
cost, management and maintenance.
Dodson does not think we should be doing anything at this point. There is no pressure
to do something different out there. With the added cost for roads and such, it does
not make sense. Other members of the Commission were interested in seeing the
possibility of rural estates.
Business Item: Design Standards Discussion
Williams started the discussion by stating that the Mayor was surprised that there were
no design standards for the Hans Hagen development. Bloyer is not interested in any
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design standards at all. Williams wants clarification on if the Planning Commission
wanted to proceed with any kind of design standards for single family detached.
Haggard said that in the Comprehensive Plan, it does suggest that we have design
standards and expect high standards. She also feels that if it is a PUD, we have the right
to put in design standards on a case by case basis. Klatt stated at the Preliminary Plat
stage, the developer submits a design booklet and the Planning Commission can accept
or reject what they submit. Klatt stated that they will be bringing forward form based
codes which will relate more to the mixed use. Williams stated that we do currently
have 2 design standards that apply to garages. Kreimer thinks that the Developers
should submit examples of what they intend to build. Dodson stated that without a tool
to deny something submitted, we could be stuck with them. Most of the Commission
does not feel that design standards are necessary unless it is a PUD.
Updates and Concerns
Council Updates
None
Staff Updates
1. Upcoming Meetings
a. November 10, 2014
b. November 24, 2014
Commission Concerns –
Dodson asked if there was any economic plan for commercial development. The $1.09
for residential vs .27 for commercial. Where are we thinking of putting the commercial
and how are we going to entice businesses to come here? Williams stated the Comp
Plan does allow for commercial along 94 and the old village. There has not been any
cost benefit analysis done regarding this. Klatt stated at the next meeting, the
Commission will be presented with an Economic Development Plan.
Meeting adjourned at 9:40 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Joan Ziertman
Planning Program Assistant