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MINUTES
(As Amended)
City of Lake Elmo Park Commission
Monday August 20, 2012
Members Present: Chairperson Hartley, Ames, Steele, Zeno, Sullivan, DeLapp, Blackford,
Weis
Members Absent: Hieptas
Others Present: Administrator Zuleger, DPW Bouthilet
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Pam Hartley at 7:03 PM.
A. M/S/P: DeLapp, Blackkford: To approve the agenda as presented.
B. Eagle Scout Presentation: Chairman Hartley noted that Collin Fisher was not available
to give an update on his Eagle Scout project at Demontreville Park. She will ask him if
he could speak to the Commission in September.
C. Approval of Minutes: Administrator Zuleger noted that Carole Kriegler was on
bereavement leave and therefore no July minutes were available for the meeting. The
Commission agreed by consensus to remove the approval of the July minutes from the
agenda.
D. 1. Lake Elmo Park Use / Availability: At the request of Commissioner DeLapp,
the Park Commission entered into a discussion on conducting a “statistically significant”
park usage survey. Several methods were discussed including Survey Monkey, using
University of St. Thomas, and the University of Minnesota or Bill Morris’s group.
Commissioner Ames noted that there was be a balance between survey cost and
statistical validity and that perhaps a representative sample might be best.
Commissioner Blackford noted that it might be appropriate to survey all Lake Elmo
households. Chairman Hartley suggested that we construct a survey instrument that
looked at parks comprehensively including plantings, equipment, field use, etc.
Commissioner Steele suggested a survey be designed in accordance with the Park
Commission’s five year planning cycle and that it have enough rigor to be useful in the
interim. Commissioner DeLapp would like the survey to include issues such a lighting,
safety, and street / parking use. The Commission appointed a park survey task force
consisting of Steve DeLapp, Shane Weiss, David Steele and Dean Zuleger to work out
the methodology of a survey.
2. Reid Park Survey – The Commission reviewed a small sample of surveys
regarding Reid Park that were received as part of the recent city newsletter – The
Source. Items such as safety, visibility, and more family friendly equipment were
discussed. Administrator Zuleger noted that the Washington County Sheriff’s
Department had been giving attention to three parks (Reid, Tablyn and Pebble) at the
request of the City. Commissioner Ames noted that while the sample was small and not
statistically significant, the information was useful. Zuleger noted that it was the intention
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to use new communication vehicles like Facebook and the website to poll residents on
their thoughts about individual parks. Commissioner Zeno noted that there is a nice trail
in Reid Park and perhaps we could address some of the safety issues so more residents
could take advantage of this amenity.
3. St. Croix Soccer Club – The Commission entertained a request from the St. Croix
Soccer Club on use of the Lake Elmo Park System for practice. Commissioner Ames
explained the nature of the Club noting the program was competitive and acts as a
feeder program for the high school. Mike Bouthilet noted that Pebble, Tablyn,
Demontreville and Reid Park are the parks that can be reserved and that soccer goals
can be moved to sites where they are needed. Commissioner Blackford noted that
increasing the use at Pebble Park could help with some of the chronic issues the park
had experienced and asked if the staff could provide a history of use in the parks that
can be reserved. Staff was asked to provide park reservation logs. Commissioner Zeno /
Ames asked if research could be done on what other park system’s policy is on use.
Commissioner Zeno suggested that perhaps we would charge for use. Commissioner
Ames noted that school district charge for field use, but that may discourage appropriate
use by residents. Chairman Hartley noted that the Club will address the Commission at
its September meeting.
E. Maintenance Issues
1. Park Maintainer - Zuleger reported that he has included the addition of a FTE Park
Maintainer in the 2013 Operating Budget as a response to general concerns about
park maintenance. The Commission concurred with the decision as it would help
promote the use of parks and make sure that park upkeep was not an afterthought.
M/S/P DeLapp, Steele: To endorse the addition of a full time Park Maintainer
to improve the maintenance and operation of the Lake Elmo Park System
2. General Maintenance Issues – Mike Bouthilet reported that it was his desire to add
additional curb and gutter to the Demontreville parking lot to improve drainage and to
move water to a designed adjacent rain garden. The additional cost would be
$11,000. Many use this park as an access to the wild life area. Commissioner Ames
clarified the cost of use an asphalt curb versus concrete noting that he felt concrete
was the better option. Bouthilet noted that the cost of this project per linear foot was
coming in cheaper because it was part of a large street improvement project.
Commissioner Steel asked if the project would allow for bike access and be
handicapped accessible. Bouthilet noted that it would be.
M/S/P Steele, Ames: To expend an additional $11,000 of parkland
dedication funds to complete curb and gutter for the Demontreville Park parking
lot.
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3. 2013 Capital Improvement Project Discussion – DPW Bouthilet led a discussion
of C.I.P. projects for 2013. The Parks Commission has $935,000 in its parkland
dedication account. Items discussed included a more formal parking lot at Stonegate
Park, a shelter at Demontreville Park (which was put off in lieu of a shelter at
Carriage Station), improvements to the land dedicated for a park in the Sanctuary,
and Sunfish Lake Park prairie work.
Commissioner Ames questioned how long $2,000 per year prairie work expenditure
would continue. Chairman Hartley assigned Mike Bouthilet the task of talking with
Minnesota Native Scapes for an update on this ongoing cost.
The Commission spent significant time talking about future amenities at the land
dedicated for a park in the Sanctuary. Commissioner Ames suggested that Park
Commissioners visit the site before the next meeting as many were unfamiliar with the
location. Commissioner Steele noted that it would be his opinion that we take 2013 and
focus expenditures on maintenance issues until we receive the results of the park
survey. There was general consensus of the Commission that this was a good approach
and Mike Bouthilet was asked to put together a priority list of maintenance items.
Commissioners Ames, Weis and Zeno noted that it was time to refocus efforts on the
City’s trail system as it has been neglected for some time. Commissioner Weiss noted
that “connectivity” is a problem. Commissioner Steele noted (and Administrator Zuleger
concurred) that there are many grants available and that perhaps some park funding
could be used for trail planning as part of our match for some of these grants. The
Commission appointed a task force of Steve DeLapp, Mike Zeno and Pam Hartley to re-
invigorate work on the Lake Elmo Trail System. Zuleger noted that the Planning
Commission had just approved a green belt complete with a multi-use trail to buffer
Stonegate from future development.
F. MPCA Remediation Grant for Sunfish Lake Park West – This item was tabled at the
recommendation of staff as they were acquiring more information.
G. Commission Member’s Reports, Comments, & Concerns – There were no reports.
Administrator Zuleger noted that Lake Elmo Days were coming up the weekend after
Labor Day. Chairman Hartley / Commissioner Blackford expressed their appreciation for
Carole Kriegler’s service to the Commission.
H. Next Meeting Date – Monday September 17th, the Commission will meet at the
Sanctuary at 6:30 PM for a park visit prior to their regularly scheduled meeting.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:53 PM
Respectfully submitted,
Dean A. Zuleger
Recording Secretary