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Lake Elmo Planning Commission; 7-11-11
City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of July 11, 2011
Planning Director Klatt called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning
Commission at 7:01 p.m. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Hall, Obermueller, Pelletier,
Bidon, Haggard, and Williams (7:02). Absent: Van Zandt and Fliflet. Commissioner
Ziertman abstained. STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director Klatt and Planning Intern
Johnson.
Planning Director Klatt noted that Commissioner Van Zandt will not be able to attend
due to illness. He asked that we keep Commissioner Van Zandt in our thoughts and
prayers. Planning Director Klatt went on to explain that a motion must be made to
nominate an acting chair, being that Vice Chair Fliflet is also absent.
M/S/P, Hall/Pelletier, move to nominate Commissioner Williams to acting as Chair for
the meeting. Vote: 6:0
Agenda
M/S/P, Hall/Haggard, move to approve the agenda. Vote: 6-0
Minutes- None.
Public Hearing- Variance Request 9940 59th Street Court North
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:02 PM
Planning Director Klatt explained that the City received an application to rebuild a
damaged structure in a floodplain district that is not elevated above the regulatory flood
protection elevation and is instead design to internally flood. The building requires a
variance because it is larger than the allowable 500 square feet in size to utilize internal
flood proofing. Planning Director Klatt went on to explain the other flood proofing
options. These options include elevating the structure with fill, or elevating through other
methods, such as stilts. However, these options proved far too costly to the homeowner.
Moving forward, Planning Director Klatt outlined the four criteria of the new variance
ordinance. Following these criteria, he noted the additional criteria pertaining to
variances with flood plain zones, as provided by FEMA. Planning Director Klatt noted
that the applicants have fulfilled the requirements for variances in flood plain districts.
Commissioner Williams wanted clarification as to the flood plain in the map being a
Flood Fringe District. Planning Director Klatt explained that some flood zones have not
been designated Flood Fringe or Floodway, but that the City’s ordinances allow the use
of the Ordinary High Water level of lakes to delineate fringe areas
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Planning Director Klatt reviewed the site plan, noting that the structure was built before
the adoption of the zoning ordinance, thereby being larger than what the zoning district
allows.
Planning Director Klatt then explained the conditions being attached by the
recommendation of Staff, which come from the FEMA recommended conditions for wet
flood proofing. He then mentioned that Staff will monitor the progress to ensure that the
conditions will be met.
The applicant, Doug Lovett, 9940 59th St. Ct. N., explained the central reasons for the
variance request. The applicant used the old structure for storing agricultural equipment.
He also noted that the applicants have a mortgage against their house and barn, and that
the insurance reimbursement will only be paid in full if full replacement occurs.
Doug Lovett also explained that the Ordinary High Water (OHW) mark for the pond is
954.9 and that the water level has been decreasing the last ten years. In addition, he
stated that the current level is 946 and that there have been no flooding issues with the
home or barn in the past. Regarding plans for the new barn, the dimensions are in fact a
little smaller than the previous structure. The applicant noted that the plans meet all State
standards. Finally, the applicant stated that if the variance is not granted then it will be
difficult to continue the agriculture operation.
Joan Ziertman, 5761 Keats Ave N., speaking as a member of the public, noted that she is
in favor of the project. She also reiterated that the building is solely used for storage
related to the applicant’s agricultural business.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:31 PM
Commissioner Pelletier asked the applicant about the slope towards the pond. Doug
Lovett noted that the slope towards the pond is quite gradual and that barn is out of sight.
Planning Director Klatt made a note that Staff forwarded this variance to MN DNR, but
was unable to solicit a response or review due to the State government shutdown. He
also noted that the City has the right to determine what constitutes a minimal structure in
a Flood Fringe District. Finally, Planning Director Klatt stated that the DNR did not have
any concerns when speaking with Staff.
Commissioner Williams asked about why the City Ordinance specifies a size of 500
square feet as the size of an allowable minimal structure. Planning Director Klatt
explained that this size most likely comes from the State standards for minimal buildings
in such a case. The size of 500 square feet is similar to the size of a two car garage.
Commissioner Pelletier asked whether this particular situation could arise in the future
with more development coming to Lake Elmo. Planning Director Klatt does not feel that
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this will be a large issue moving forward due to the fact that new construction generally
uses fill for flood proofing.
M/S/P, Pelletier/Obermeuller, to approve the variance request for 9940 59th St. Ct. N.
with the attached conditions written by Staff.
Commissioner Williams suggested that condition #3 read “it must be designed to allow
for the automatic exit and entry of flood waters”. Commissioner Hall explained that the
purpose of flood mitigation is so that there is no hydrostatic pressure on either side. If the
water enters, it can exit from the same point.
Commissioner Williams asked to add that there has been no historical evidence of
flooding as the fourth finding of fact. He stated that this is important in terms of
approving the variance.
Commissioner Obermueller voiced her support for organic farming in Lake Elmo.
Motion carried. Vote: 6:0 with Commissioner Ziertman abstaining from the vote.
Public Hearing- Variance Request 5761 Keats Avenue North
Planning Director Klatt introduced the variance request for 5761 Keats Ave. N. He also
noted that this request would be reviewed under the criteria in the new variance
ordinance.
Planning Director Klatt review the staff report and recommendation with the Planning
Commission. He described the request of the variance, which would allow an additional
2,400 square foot accessory building to be constructed on an 11-acre parcel that already
has a 2,500 square accessory building.
Klatt noted that the applicant’s property exists in the current code as a Wayside Stand
because they do not have a permanent structure for their sales business; an agricultural
business requires more property. In addition, the property is zoned Rural Residential,
which exists as more of a hybrid, as opposed to Agricultural. He also noted that if the
property was larger than the 20 acre benchmark to qualify as an agricultural building,
then there would not be any problem with the construction of an additional accessory
building. The fact that the accessory building is there second on the property, a variance
is required. Planning Director Klatt explained that with the Rural Residential zoning,
only one accessory building is allowed. According to this designation, the applicants are
allowed one building up to 2,500 square feet because their property is between 10 and 15
acres.
Planning Director Klatt further reviewed the revised criteria related to variances with the
Planning Commission. Klatt provided reviewed the possible options for the Planning
Commission.
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Klatt also outlined two conditions that should be included if the Planning Commission
approves the Variance. First, the building should be used solely for agricultural purposes,
not for personal storage, home business, or as vehicle storage. In addition, Staff would
like additional screening to the East.
Commissioner Obermueller asked where the future residential development will be
located in this area. Planning Director Klatt explained that this will occur directly to the
East of the applicant’s property, but with a 200 ft. buffer.
Commissioner Haggard asked if the developers of this residential area are required to
provide screening. Planning Director Klatt explained that the developers have not
submitted a final plat, but that a 200 ft. buffer typically is considered an adequate
separation. He added that he has not seen any landscaping plan for this future
development.
Commissioner Obermueller asked whether the Church can choose not to develop their
property. Klatt explained that there is a development agreement in place and
infrastructure in place that should encourage the Church to proceed. However, the City
cannot force them to proceed.
Commissioner Williams asked which barns the applicants currently use for storage. The
applicant, Steve Ziertman, 5761 Keats Ave. N., explained that they are currently using
the barns owned by Rockoint church to store their equipment, but that the church will no
longer let them store their equipment in these buildings.
Commissioner Obermueller asked about how Staff came to find that the property was not
unique in terms of agriculture and the size of lot. Planning Director Klatt explained that
agricultural designation is used by the County to designate a tax rate for the property,
which is separate from how the City may have the property zoned. In addition, he added
that most of the other properties of similar size in the community are not being actively
farmed.
Planning Director Klatt noted that Commissioner Ziertman is recusing herself from her
duty as a Commissioner for tonight due to the fact that she is applying for a variance.
The applicant, Joan Zietman, 5761 Keats Ave. N., wanted to make a note that other large
properties that are zoned rural residential have difficulty with this designation and getting
additional accessory structures.
Joan Ziertman also explained how the staff outlined the process in terms of Zoning Text
Amendments or Zoning Map Amendments. She also noted that they contemplated a
Zoning Map Amendment to rezone their property as Agriculture, but that would make
their lot nonconforming. She also asked the Planning Commission to move this issue
through to the City Council as soon as possible due to the difficult timing of their
agricultural operation, as opposed to tabling the item. Finally, she also noted that other
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properties that are zoned Agriculture are not using for that purpose but still building
additional accessory structures.
Joan Ziertman went on to describe the history of the property and the agricultural
activities there. She then described why they are requesting the variance.
Commissioner Williams wanted further explanation of how much storage space is
needed. Joan Ziertman explained that they calculated how much storage space they use
at their alternative storage site, and decided 2,400 square feet is the size that is necessary.
Joan Ziertman referenced the city-wide planning policy from the Lake Elmo
Comprehensive Plan, which states that “preserving and enhancing the rural character and
features of Lake Elmo that make the city a unique and desirable community”. She felt
that the City Zoning Code is “big-picture” and the variance should be used as a tool when
special circumstances exist.
The applicant then explained why she felt that the variance findings were met. First, she
addressed finding #3, explaining that there will be no future homes to the North, so the
character of locality will not be altered.
Addressing finding #1, “practical difficulties”, Joan Ziertman explained that their use is
certainly reasonable and that their property is designated for agricultural use by the State
and Washington County. In addition, one 2,500 square foot accessory building is not
enough for their farming operation.
Joan Ziertman then addressed finding #2, “unique circumstances”, stating that the use of
the property should apply in this case, and that she did not find anything regarding use
not qualifying in the state statute. Additionally, she noted that their 10 acre property has
more productive farm land than many other larger properties in the community. Finally,
Joan Ziertman noted that they did not choose to relocate their storage space; it had to be
vacated.
Commissioner Williams asked how much of the property is tilled. Joan and Steve
Ziertman noted that over 90% is productive due to the fact that whatever isn’t tilled is
used for hay production.
Commissioner Williams wants to know how the existing accessory building is currently
being used. Steve and Joan Ziertman answered that one shed has some personal items
mixed with farm equipment, while the other shed is packed with agricultural equipment.
In addition, during harvest time for pumpkins, all of the personal items are removed for
the storage of pumpkins.
Commissioner Bidon asked about the height of the buildings. Steve Ziertman stated that
it would be 10 ft., standard height.
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Haggard asked if the finished look of the building would match the surrounding
structures. Steve Ziertman noted it will match the other accessory building.
Commissioner Bidon noted that the building they are requesting is not that large, and that
it is difficult to engage in agricultural activities with only one 2,500 square foot accessory
building.
Commissioner Williams asked about how the property is divided in terms of tax
purposes. Joan Ziertman responded that 1 acre is classified as homestead and the rest is
agricultural for tax purposes.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:56 PM.
Doug Lovett, 9940 59th St. Ct. N., noted that he is a neighbor of the applicant and that
they borrow equipment from one another. In addition, it has become increasingly
difficult to successfully farm higher value products due to the large amount of equipment
required.
Planning Director Klatt read the other two emails of support from Heidi and Steve
Moller, 9580 53rd St. N., and Bonnie and Leonard Geran, 109874 57th St. N., that were
not in the planning packet.
Commissioner Williams noted that other letters of support were attached as part of the
Planning Commission report on this item.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:00 PM.
Commissioner Bidon noted that if agriculture is to continue to survive here, it must be
supported. In addition, he felt that the building is not that large.
Commissioner Obermueller noted that local agriculture is important to the character of
Lake Elmo, and that the fact that Washington County classifies the use as agricultural
strengthens the case for the variance.
Commissioner Haggard noted that she visited the site and she felt that the next door
neighbor would not be affected due to the appropriate screening.
Commissioner Williams asked the Commission about how they should deal with the 2nd
finding about unique circumstances. First, he went over the other three findings. No
Commissioner had any concern with findings #3 and #4. In terms of finding #1 and #3,
Commissioner Williams noted the importance of differentiating the property in question
from other 10 acre Rural Residential properties.
Commissioner Obermueller noted that the amount of land used in agricultural production
may be a good benchmark for differentiating it from other properties.
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Commissioner Hall stated that the property is not unique in its physical attributes. He
also noted that he believes that a variance is not the best method to address this issue due
to the fact that the practical difficulties are a result of the applicants overextending their
ability to farm that much product in 10 acres. Additionally, he wanted it known that he
felt that this project does benefit the community, but a variance is not the best way to
support this.
Joan Ziertman noted that she believes that unique circumstances does not exclude use and
history of the property.
Commissioner Hall noted that how the County determines its classification is strictly for
tax purposes and is not based on the other elements of zoning.
Commissioner Pelletier stated that all the Commissioners want to promote this activity,
but is not sure how it affects future land decisions in the big picture. She then asked how
many parcels in the city were 10 acres an under. Planning Director Klatt commented that
density studies were made when the Comprehensive Plan was updated, but we don’t have
data on how the properties are being used.
Commissioner Williams questioned whether we can recommend approving the variance,
but at the same time recommend studying the zoning text amendment in terms of
additional accessory buildings in cases of building for agricultural purposes.
Commissioner Bidon explained that additional equipment storage is necessary to protect
the investment made by farmers who are farming on smaller properties.
Commissioner Haggard noted that she is okay with approving the request due to the fact
that the building is properly screened and out of sight. She then asked Commissioner
Williams if this is what he had in mind for Zoning Text Amendment. Commissioner
Williams replied that he is thinking about land 10 acres or more which is aggressively
farmed (high percentage).
Commissioner Haggard stated that she would not feel comfortable with a Zoning Text
Amendment until she knew what the other similar properties in the community looked
like.
M/S/P, Bidon/Obermueller, to approve the variance request to allow construction of a
second detached accessory building on the applicants’ property with the condition that
the building is used only for agricultural use, and that the acreage would be substantially
used for farming.
Commissioner Williams indicated that he would like to include that the Planning
Commission make a recommendation to look at the issue of Zoning Text Amendment
and accessory buildings again.
Planning Director Klatt noted that he heard two additional conditions in the discussion of
the Planning Commission. Based on the Commission’s discussion, Staff recommended
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that the approval statement for finding #2 should include the size of the agricultural
product and that there is a history of farming (established farm) to qualify as a unique
circumstances.
Motion carried. Vote 5:1, with Commissioner Hall voting nay and Commission Ziertman
abstaining form the vote.
M/S/P, Hall/Pelletier, that City Council direct the Staff and Planning Commission to
consider amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to allow for accessory agricultural
structures on parcel between the range of 10 to 40 acres in certain districts within Lake
Elmo.
Motion carried. Vote 6:0
Business Items- Vote to appoint an interim vice chair.
M/S/P, Pelletier/Hall, move to appoint Commissioner Williams as interim vice-chair until
Chair Van Zandt returns. Motion carried. Vote: 6:0
Updates
City Council updates
Planning Director Klatt noted that the variance ordinance was approved by City Council.
Planning Director Klatt then described an appeal decision made by the City Council
concerning a lot line interpretation. This decision was reversed.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 10:04PM
Respectfully submitted,
Kyle Klatt
Planning Director