HomeMy WebLinkAboutPZ Packet 09-26-11The City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission will conduct a meeting on
Monday, September 26, 2011, at 7 :00 p.m.
** *PLEASE NOTE: A recording of Randall Arendt's presentation "Land
Matters — Rethinking 'Main Street" from his June 2009 seminar in Minnesota
will be presented before the meeting beginning at 6:00 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers at City Hall. Any Commissioners or members of the
public who wish to view this video are invited to attend at this time.* **
1. Pledge of Allegiance
2. Approve Agenda
3. Approve Minutes
a. July 11, 2011
b. August 8, 2011
4. Business Items
a. Comprehensive Plan Staff Updates:
i. I -94 Corridor Work Group
ii. Village Work Group
iii. Highway 36 Corridor (Verbal)
b. Results of Visual Preference Survey (Verbal)
5. City Council Updates
a. September 20, 2011:
i. Country Sun Farms Interim Use Permit— Approved
ii. Durand Septic Variance for Holding Tanks —Tabled
iii. Roekpoint Church CUP Amendment (Overflow Parking Lot) — Approved
b. Staff Updates
c. Commission Concerns
6. Adjourn
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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of July 11, 2011
Planning Director Klatt called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning
Commission at 7:01 p.m. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Hall, Obermueller, Pelletier,
Bidon, Haggard, and Williams (7:02). Absent: Van Zandt, and Fliflet. Abstained:
Ziertman. STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director Klatt and Planning Intern Johnson.
Planning Director Klatt noted that Commissioner Van Zandt will not be able to attend
due to illness. He asked that we keep Commissioner Van Zandt in our thoughts and
prayers. Planning Director Matt went on to explain that a motion must be made to
nominate an acting chair, being that Vice Chair Fliflet is also absent.
M /S /P, Hall/Pelletier, move to nominate Commissioner Williams to acting as Chair for
the meeting. Vote: 6:0
Agenda
M /S /P, Hall /Haggard, move to approve the agenda. Vote: 6 -0
Minutes- None.
Public Hearing- Variance Request 9940 591" Street Court North
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:02 PM
Planning Director Klatt explained that the City received an application to rebuild a
damaged structure in a floodplain district that is not elevated above the regulatory flood
protection elevation and is instead design to internally flood. The building requires a
variance because it is larger than the allowable 500 square feet in size to utilize internal
flood proofing. Planning Director Klatt went on to explain the other flood proofing
options. These options include elevating the structure with fill, or elevating through other
methods, such as stilts. However, these options proved far too costly to the homeowner.
Moving forward, Planning Director Klatt outlined the four criteria of the new variance
ordinance. Following these criteria, he noted the additional criteria pertaining to
variances with flood plain zones, as provided by FEMA. Planning Director Klatt noted
that the applicants have fulfilled the requirements for variances in flood plain districts.
Commissioner Williams wanted clarification as to the flood plain in the map being a
Flood Fringe District. Planning Director Klatt explained that some flood zones have not
been designated Flood Fringe or Floodway, but that the City's ordinances allow the use
of the Ordinary High Water level of lakes to delineate fringe areas
Planning Director Klatt reviewed the site plan, noting that the structure was built before
the adoption of the zoning ordinance, thereby being larger than what the zoning district
allows.
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Planning Director Klatt then explained the conditions being attached by the
recommendation of Staff, which come from the FEMA recommended conditions for wet
flood proofing. He then mentioned that Staff will monitor the progress to ensure that the
conditions will be met.
The applicant, Doug Lovett, 9940 59t" St. Ct. N., explained the central reasons for the
variance request. The applicant used the old structure for storing agricultural equipment.
He also noted that the applicants have a mortgage against their house and barn, and that
the insurance reimbursement will only be paid in full if full replacement occurs.
Doug Lovett also explained that the Ordinary High Water (OHW) mark for the pond is
954.9 and that the water level has been decreasing the last ten years. In addition, he
stated that the current level is 946 and that there have been no flooding issues with the
home or barn in the past. Regarding plans for the new barn, the dimensions are in fact a
little smaller than the previous structure. The applicant noted that the plans meet all State
standards. Finally, the applicant stated that if the variance is not granted then it will be
difficult to continue the agriculture operation.
Joan Ziertman, 5761 Keats Ave N., speaking as a member of the public, noted that she is
in favor of the project. She also reiterated that the building is solely used for storage
related to the applicant's agricultural business.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:31 PM
Commissioner Pelletier asked the applicant about the slope towards the pond. Doug
Lovett noted that the slope towards the pond is quite gradual and that barn is out of sight.
Planning Director Klatt made a note that Staff forwarded this variance to MN DNR, but
was unable to solicit a response or review due to the State government shutdown. He
also noted that the City has the right to determine what constitutes a minimal structure in
a Flood Fringe District. Finally, Planning Director Klatt stated that the DNR did not have
any concerns when speaking with Staff:
Commissioner Williams asked about why the City Ordinance specifies a size of 500
square feet as the size of an allowable minimal structure. Planning Director Klatt
explained that this size most likely comes from the State standards for minimal buildings
in such a case. The size of 500 square feet is similar to the size of a two car garage.
Commissioner Pelletier asked whether this particular situation could arise in the future
with more development coming to Lake Elmo. Planning Director Klatt does not feel that
this will be a large issue moving forward due to the fact that new construction generally
uses fill for flood proofing.
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M /S /P, Pelletier /Obermeuller, to approve the variance request for 9940 59`x' St. Ct. N.
with the attached conditions written by Staff.
Commissioner Williams suggested that condition #3 read "it must be designed to allow
for the automatic exit and entry of flood waters ". Commissioner Hall explained that the
purpose of flood mitigation is so that there is no hydrostatic pressure on either side. If the
water enters, it can exit from the same point.
Commissioner Williams asked to add that there has been no historical evidence of
flooding as the fourth funding of fact. He stated that this is important in terms of
approving the variance.
Commissioner Obermueller voiced her support for organic farming in Lake Elmo.
Motion carried. Vote: 6:0 with Commissioner Ziertman abstaining from the vote.
Public Hearing- Variance Request 5761 Keats Avenue North
Planning Director Klatt introduced the variance request for 5761 Keats Ave. N. He also
noted that this request would be reviewed under the criteria in the new variance
ordinance.
Planning Director Klatt review the staff report and recommendation with the Planning
Commission. He described the request of the variance, which would allow an additional
2,400 square foot accessory building to be constructed on an 11 -acre parcel that already
has a 2,500 square accessory building.
Klatt noted that the applicant's property exists in the current code as a Wayside Stand
because they do not have a permanent structure for their sales business; an agricultural
business requires more property. In addition, the property is zoned Rural Residential,
which exists as more of a hybrid, as opposed to Agricultural. He also noted that if the
property was larger than the 20 acre benchmark to qualify as an agricultural building,
then there would not be any problem with the construction of an additional accessory
building. The fact that the accessory building is there second on the property, a variance
is required. Planning Director Klatt explained that with the Rural Residential zoning,
only one accessory building is allowed. According to this designation, the applicants are
allowed one building up to 2,500 square feet because their property is between 10 and 15
acres.
Planning Director Klatt further reviewed the revised criteria related to variances with the
Planning Commission. Klatt provided reviewed the possible options for the Planning
Commission.
Klatt also outlined two conditions that should be included if the Planning Commission
approves the Variance. First, the building should be used solely for agricultural purposes,
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not for personal storage, home business, or as vehicle storage. In addition, Staff would
like additional screening to the East.
Commissioner Obermueller asked where the future residential development will be
located in this area. Planning Director Klan explained that this will occur directly to the
East of the applicant's property, but with a 200 ft. buffer.
Commissioner Haggard asked if the developers of this residential area are required to
provide screening. Planning Director Klatt explained that the developers have not
submitted a final plat, but that a 200 ft. buffer typically is considered an adequate
separation. He added that he has not seen any landscaping plan for this future
development.
Commissioner Obennueller asked whether the Church can choose not to develop their
property. Klatt explained that there is a development agreement in place and
infrastructure in place that should encourage the Church to proceed. However, the City
cannot force them to proceed.
Commissioner Williams asked which barns the applicants currently use for storage. The
applicant, Steve Ziertman, 5761 Keats Ave. N., explained that they are currently using
the barns owned by Rockoint church to store their equipment, but that the church will no
longer let them store their equipment in these buildings.
Commissioner Obermueller asked about how Staff came to find that the property was not
unique in terms of agriculture and the size of lot. Planning Director Klatt explained that
agricultural designation is used by the County to designate a tax rate for the property,
which is separate from how the City may have the property zoned. In addition, he added
that most of the other properties of similar size in the community are not being actively
farmed.
Planning Director Klatt noted that Commissioner Ziertman is recusing herself from her
duty as a Commissioner for tonight due to the fact that she is applying for a variance.
The applicant, Joan Zietman, 5761 Keats Ave. N., wanted to make a note that other large
properties that are zoned rural residential have difficulty with this designation and getting
additional accessory structures.
Joan Ziertman also explained how the staff outlined the process in terms of Zoning Text
Amendments or Zoning Map Amendments. She also noted that they contemplated a
Zoning Map Amendment to rezone their property as Agriculture, but that would make
their lot nonconforming. She also asked the Planning Commission to move this issue
through to the City Council as soon as possible due to the difficult timing of their
agricultural operation, as opposed to tabling the item. Finally, she also noted that other
properties that are zoned Agriculture are not using for that purpose but still building
additional accessory structures.
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Joan Ziertman went on to describe the history of the property and the agricultural
activities there. She then described why they are requesting the variance.
Commissioner Williams wanted further explanation of how much storage space is
needed. Joan Ziertman explained that they calculated how much storage space they use
at their alternative storage site, and decided 2,400 square feet is the size that is necessary.
Joan Ziertman referenced the city -wide planning policy from the Lake Elmo
Comprehensive Plan, which states that "preserving and enhancing the rural character and
features of Lake Elmo that make the city a unique and desirable community ". She felt
that the City Zoning Code is "big- picture" and the variance should be used as a tool when
special circumstances exist.
The applicant then explained why she felt that the variance findings were met. First, she
addressed finding 93, explaining that there will be no future homes to the North, so the
character of locality will not be altered.
Addressing finding #1, "practical difficulties ", Joan Ziertman explained that their use is
certainly reasonable and that their property is designated for agricultural use by the State
and Washington County. In addition, one 2,500 square foot accessory building is not
enough for their farming operation.
Joan Ziertman then addressed finding #2, "unique circumstances ", stating that the use of
the property should apply in this case, and that she did not find anything regarding use
not qualifying in the state statute. Additionally, she noted that their 10 acre property has
more productive farm land than many other larger properties in the community. Finally,
Joan Ziertman noted that they did not choose to relocate their storage space; it had to be
vacated.
Commissioner Williams asked how much of the property is tilled. Joan and Steve
Ziertman noted that over 90% is productive due to the fact that whatever isn't tilled is
used for hay production.
Commissioner Williams wants to know how the existing accessory building is currently
being used. Steve and Joan Ziertman answered that one shed has some personal items
mixed with farm equipment, while the other shed is packed with agricultural equipment.
In addition, during harvest time for pumpkins, all of the personal items are removed for
the storage of pumpkins.
Commissioner Bidon asked about the height of the buildings. Steve Ziertman stated that
it would be 10 ft., standard height.
Haggard asked if the finished look of the building would match the surrounding
structures. Steve Ziertman noted it will match the other accessory building.
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Commissioner Bidon noted that the building they are requesting is not that large, and that
it is difficult to engage in agricultural activities with only one 2,500 square foot accessory
building.
Commissioner Williams asked about how the property is divided in terms of tax
purposes. Joan Ziertman responded that 1 acre is classified as homestead and the rest is
agricultural for tax purposes.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:56 PM.
Doug Lovett, 9940 59`x' St. Ct. N., noted that he is a neighbor of the applicant and that
they borrow equipment from one another. In addition, it has become increasingly
difficult to successfully farm higher value products due to the large amount of equipment
required.
Planning Director Klatt read the other two emails of support from Heidi and Steve
Moller, 9580 53`d St. N., and Bonnie and Leonard Geran, 109874 57th St. N., that were
not in the planning packet.
Commissioner Williams noted that other letters of support were attached as part of the
Planning Commission report on this item.
ACTING CHAIR WILLIAMS CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:00 PM.
Commissioner Bidon noted that if agriculture is to continue to survive here, it must be
supported. In addition, he felt that the building is not that large.
Commissioner Obermueller noted that local agriculture is important to the character of
Lake Elmo, and that the fact that Washington County classifies the use as agricultural
strengthens the case for the variance.
Commissioner Haggard noted that she visited the site and she felt that the next door
neighbor would not be affected due to the appropriate screening.
Commissioner Williams asked the Commission about how they should deal with the 2nd
finding about unique circumstances. First, he went over the other three findings. No
Commissioner had any concern with findings #3 and #4. In terms of finding #1 and #3,
Commissioner Williams noted the importance of differentiating the property in question
from other 10 acre Rural Residential properties.
Commissioner Obermueller noted that the amount of land used in agricultural production
may be a good benchmark for differentiating it from other properties.
Commissioner Hall stated that the property is not unique in its physical attributes. He
also noted that he believes that a variance is not the best method to address this issue due
to the fact that the practical difficulties are a result of the applicants overextending their
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ability to farm that much product in 10 acres. Additionally, he wanted it known that he
felt that this project does benefit the community, but a variance is not the best way to
support this.
Joan Ziernnan noted that she believes that unique circumstances does not exclude use and
history of the property.
Commissioner Hall noted that how the County detennines its classification is strictly for
tax purposes and is not based on the other elements of zoning.
Commissioner Pelletier stated that all the Commissioners want to promote this activity,
but is not sure how it affects future land decisions in the big picture. She then asked bow
many parcels in the city were 10 acres an under. Planning Director Klatt commented that
density studies were made when the Comprehensive Plan was updated, but we don't have
data on how the properties are being used.
Commissioner Williams questioned whether we can recommend approving the variance,
but at the same time recommend studying the zoning text amendment in terms of
additional accessory buildings in cases of building for agricultural purposes.
Commissioner Bidon explained that additional equipment storage is necessary to protect
the investment made by farmers who are farming on smaller properties.
Commissioner Haggard noted that she is okay with approving the request due to the fact
that the building is properly screened and out of sight. She then asked Commissioner
Williams if this is what he had in mind for Zoning Text Amendment. Commissioner
Williams replied that he is thinking about land 10 acres or more which is aggressively
farmed (high percentage).
Commissioner Haggard stated that she would not feel comfortable with a Zoning Text
Amendment until she knew what the other similar properties in the community looked
like.
M/S/P, Bidon/Obennueller, to approve the variance request to allow construction of a
second detached accessory building on the applicants' property with the condition that
the building is used only for agricultural use, and that the acreage would be substantially
used for farming.
Commissioner Williams indicated that he would like to include that the Planning
Commission make a recommendation to look at the issue of Zoning Text Amendment
and accessory buildings again.
Planning Director Klatt noted that he heard two additional conditions in the discussion of
the Planning Commission. Based on the Commission's discussion, Staff recommended
that the approval statement for finding #2 should include the size of the agricultural
product and that there is a history of farming (established farm) to qualify as a unique
circumstances.
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Motion carried. Vote 5:1, with Commissioner Hall voting nay and Commission Ziertman
abstaining form the vote.
M /S /P, Hall /Pelletier, that City Council direct the Staff and Planning Commission to
consider amendments to the Zoning Ordinance to allow for accessory agricultural
structures on parcel between the range of 10 to 40 acres in certain districts within Lake
Elmo.
Motion carried. Vote 6:0
Business Items- Vote to appoint an interim vice chair.
M /S/P, Pelletier /Hall, move to appoint Commissioner Williams as interim vice -chair until
Chair Van Zandt returns. Motion carried. Vote: 6:0
Updates
City Council updates
Planning Director Klatt noted that the variance ordinance was approved by City Council.
Planning Director Klatt then described an appeal decision made by the City Council
concerning a lot line interpretation. This decision was reversed.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 10:04PM
Respectfully submitted,
Kyle Klatt
Planning Director
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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of August 8, 2011
Chair Van Zandt called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning Commission at
7:01 p.m. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Hail, Obermueller, Pelletier, Bidon, and
Williams (7:02). Absent: Haggard and Ziertman. STAFF PRESENT: City Planner
Matzek and Planning Intern Johnson.
Agenda
Commissioner Williams would like to propose a change to the agenda where the
Commission will make an announcement about the Visual Preference Survey on
Wednesday, August 10 from 6:30 to 8:00 pm.
Commissioner Fliflet publically welcomed Commissioner Van Zandt back.
M /S /P, Williams /Bidon, move to approve the agenda as amended. Vote: 6 -0
Minutes- None.
Chair Van Zandt made an announcement about the Visual Preference Survey.
Public Hearing- Variance Request 2860 Lake Elmo Avenue North
Planner Matzek introduced the variance request for 2860 Lake Elmo Ave. N. She stated
the variance requested is to allow two holding tanks to be located within the side yard and
lakeshore setback as well as to be allowed for more than 12 months. The applicant,
Clyde Durand, wishes to sell his property and must update his waste system to bring it up
to Code. She stated that the small R -1 property is just 0.14 acres in size and is not guided
for future sewer connection, nor is there capacity on the City's 201 system. Planner
Matzek then explained the variance criteria and offered three options: approval with a
document recorded against the property identifying frequent pumping may be necessary,
approval with a restriction for seasonal use only or denial.
Chair Van Zandt asked how much it costs to pump these holding tanks. In addition,
Chair Van Zandt asked why the applicant could not plug into the sewer on Lake Elmo
Ave.
Planner Matzek noted that the applicant told her that it cost around 200 dollars to pump
the holding tanks. She then explained that the future sewer pipe going by the applicant's
property would be a force main, and therefore cannot attach to residential properties.
Commissioner Fliflet asked why the holding tank system is only viable for 12 months.
Commissioner Obermueller asked about the design of the holding tank system regarding
an alai-in, as well as inquired about what type of system is currently employed. In
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addition, Commissioner Obernmeller asked whether or not there are any other properties
that are restricted to seasonal use.
Pete Ganzel, Washington County Department of Public Health and Environment
Mr. Ganzel noted that holding tanks are not recommended for a residential property due
to the high water use and high cost. He then explained the difference between a cesspool
and dry well. Mr. Ganzel noted that these types of systems are no longer allowed under
County ordinance, because they are considered ahealth threat.
Commissioner Fliflet asked which situation would be better; the current dry well system
or the holding tank system.
Pete Ganzel responded that the holding tank system is definitely better. However, a
future buyer of this property would have to be informed of the associated cost of
frequently pumping these holding tanks.
Clyde Durand, the applicant
Mr. Durance explained the history of the family property. He noted that the cesspool was
installed in the 1960's. He also said he thought his property was grandfathered in.
Commissioner Williams asked whether or not the applicant had discussed obtaining
property across the street for a septic system.
The applicant stated that he felt that the adjacent property owner would not be interested
in this scenario.
CHAIR VAN ZANDT OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:31 P.M.
Donald Durand, 2860 Lake Elmo Ave. N.
Mr. Durand stated that he does not want a septic system in his front yard as he may sell in
the future and thought that would deter buyers. He also asked Planner Matzek about
where the holding tanks would be in relation to the High Water Mark.
Planner Matzek noted that the Valley Branch Water District requested that the holding
tanks be placed 5' higher then where they are currently proposed. She reiterated that this
is a recommendation, not a requirement.
Donald Durand asked whether there would be alarm systems, as well as whether or not
the tanks could be placed in the road right of way.
Planner Matzek noted that there would be alarms and that placing the tanks in the road
right of way was not possible by condition of Washington County.
Clyde Durand, the applicant, noted that his property had been flood proofed up to the 100
year flood level.
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CHAIR VAN ZANDT CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:38 P.M.
Commissioner Flifiet asked for guidance from Planner Matzek in terms of similar
situations or examples.
Planner Matzek noted that in another case on Klondike Ave. the property owner had as
septic system on a property across the street. The case required a variance and the City
attached a condition for a one acre easement as it was owned by the same property owner
at the time. Planner Matzek also highlighted a case in Stillwater Township where the
property was restricted to seasonal use.
Commissioner Fliflet noted that the holding tanks appear to be the best option, and that
the financial burden at this point falls on the homeowner.
M /S /P, Fliflet /Hall, move to approve the variances requested to allow two holding tanks
with the condition that a document be recorded against the property. Vote: 5 -1
.(Commissioner Williams voted no)
Public Hearing- Variance Request 2976 Lake Elmo Avenue North
Planner Matzek introduced the variance request at 2976 Lake Elmo Ave. to construct an
addition to the home within the 100' setback of the OHW line setback. Planner Matzek
also noted that the addition to the home does meet all other setback criteria other than the
OHW line setback.
Commissioner Obermueller asked why there is an issue of tree replacement.
Planner Matzek explained that because the property is in a shoreland district, and
therefore requires more stringent review of which trees are planned to be removed.
John and Bonnie Butenhoff, the applicants
Mr. Butenhoff explained that they are planning this addition for safety reasons relating to
the long distance between the home and the garage. During the winter months, the path
to the garage becomes icy. The applicants noted that they are getting older and feel that
attaching the garage would be wise for safety reasons. In addition, they stated that they
would like to add a rain garden in the front of the home to help mitigate storm water
runoff fiom Lake Elmo Avenue.
Commissioner Williams asked why they don't simply tear down the old garage.
The applicant noted that the existing structure is sturdy and in good shape.
CHAIR VAN ZANDT OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:04 P.M.
Donald Durand, 2860 Lake Elmo Ave.
Mr. Durand noted that three previous families have moved from this property because of
the safety issue related to backing out of the driveway on to Lake Elmo Ave. Mr. Durand
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noted he supports the granting of this variance because it will allow the applicant to back
out of their garage and turn around to approach Lake Elmo Avenue straight on.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:05 P.M.
Commissioner Fliflet asked why the narrow part of the structure is a bridge.
The applicant explained the bridge is an architectural feature, as well as allowing for the
rain garden to exist underneath.
M /S/P Williams /Obermueller, move to approve the variance with the conditions outlined
as well as an addition condition that no part of the new structure is closer to the OHW
than the original structure. Vote 6:0
Public Hearing- Interim Use Permit Request 11211 North 60`x' Street
Planner Matzek introduced the item. She said the ordinance has been revised over the
past few years and the applicants now need an Interim Use Permit for an Agricultural
Sales Business to allow the sale of produce grown off -site. She said their request is for
10 years, or until the sale of the property to a non family member. She said the structure
that is used for these sales is existing and does not require any additional construction.
Commissioner Williams asked about the staff condition that 40 acres continually be used
for the agricultural sales business. He also asked if it would make sense to combine
properties.
Planner Matzek noted that Staff is not concerned about the agricultural operation as a
whole shrinking to below 40 acres as they currently own 149 contiguous acres.
Keith Bergmann, the applicant
Mr. Bergmann noted that these sales activities of products gown off -site have been going
on for many years. The applicant went on to explain the history of the site and the order
in which property was purchased. He said the note regarding the outstanding drainage
permit issue arose from the natural gas line project done in 2009. Mr. Bergmann
expressed concern regarding the trip generation issue in terns of amount of property used
in the calculation.
THE CHAIRMAN OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:28 P.M.
No one spoke.
THE CHAIRMAN CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:28 P.M.
Commissioner Fliflet noted that this type of family business is what Lake Elmo should
encourage.
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M /S, Fliflet/Van Zandt, move to approve the Interim Use Permit with the attached
conditions and with a clarification on which land would be utilized for calculating trip
generation.
M/S/P, Wlliams /Hall, move to amend the motion to clarify that there should be at least 40
acres within the Interim Use Permit. Vote: 6 -0.
Public Hearing- Conditional Use Permit Amendment 5825 Kelvin Avenue North
Planning Intern Johnson introduced the item by giving a background of the request. He
said the church is requesting an additional 84 parking stalls that is compliant with all
setback requirements. He said the applicant would like to leave the parking lot unpaved
for five years. He explained that the City is requesting an easement to allow construction
of a larger watermain because the plat for the residential portion of the development has
been delayed.
Commissioner Fliflet inquired about the future growth of the Church. She wanted to
ensure that the parking lot would be large enough to compensate for the fixture growth of
the Church.
Commissioner Obermueller asked when the plantings for screening would occur.
Planning Intem Johnson noted that this should occur as soon as the parking lot is
constructed.
Commissioner Bidon wanted to inquire about the drainage plan for the parking lot.
Planner Matzek noted that the City Engineer did evaluate the site and felt there was
enough infiltration areas around the parking lot to compensate for storm water
management needs.
Commissioner Eliflet noted that she has heard a lot of complaints regarding the lights in
the parking lot of the Church being on late at night.
Planner Matzek noted that this is a code enforcement issue.
Bob Brydges, Executive Pastor at Rockpoint Church
Mr. Brydges spoke about the issues pertaining to congestion related to a lack of parking,
in some cases causing safety concerns. He also noted that they would like their staff to
park in the overflow lot so guests have easier access to parking. Bob Brydges noted that
class 5 rock will be used for the overflow lot. In regard to the lighting concern, he noted
that the lights work on a timing system and are not on all night. Mr. Brydges noted that
the congregation has grown to around 1500 people. High points during Sunday services
are 950 people spread over two services.
THE CHAIRMAN OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:59 P.M.
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No one spoke.
THE CHAIRMAN CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:59 P.M.
M /S /P, Obermueller /Hall, move to recommend approval of the request with the attached
conditions noted in the staff report, as well as a condition ensuring that screening is
planted as soon as the lot is constructed.
Commissioner Williams requested a friendly amendment be added to attach another
condition in which the Church should provide a landscape plan and storm water
management plan. He noted that Bremer Bank supplied a much more detailed plan of
their parking lot.
Commissioner Obermueller accepted the friendly amendment.
Vote: 6:0,
Business Items - Visual Preference Survey announcement
Chair Van Zandt made an official announcement regarding the Visual Preference Survey
on Wednesday, August I Os' at City Hall.
City Council Updates
Planner Matzek noted that the City Council approved the Ziertman variance, as well as
the Lovett Variance. Planner Matzek also noted that an appeal regarding a fence permit
was passed as well.
Staff Updates
The Planning Department wanted to publicly welcome back Chairman Van Zandt, as
well as notify the Planning Commission that this would be Planning Intern Johnson's last
meeting.
Commission Concerns
The Planning Commission thanked Planning Intern Johnson for his work.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 9:06 PM
Respectfully submitted,
Kelli Matzek
City Planner
Lake Elmo Planning Commission; 8 -8 -11
Planning Commission
Date: 9/26/11
Business Item
Item: 4a
ITEM: South of 10th Street Group Planning Update
SUBMITTED BY: Kelli Matzek, City Planner
REVIEWED BY: Kyle Klatt, Planning Director
SUMMARY AND ACTION REQUESTED
The Planning Commission is being asked to spend a portion of its next meeting to receive an
update from Staff regarding the South of 10th Street Work Group. A committee of three Planning
Commissioners, two City Council members, and two property owners have met five times since
May of 2011 to discuss potential updates to the Comprehensive Plan focusing on the area south
of 10th Street in Lake Elmo. This Committee has been charged with ultimately working on and
developing a Vision Statement and Goals, a revised future land use plan, and a revised sewer
staging plan which can be incorporated into the City's Comprehensive Plan. It is expected that
this group will continue to meet throughout the fall and winter, and periodically report back to the
Planning Commission as a whole on its progress.
In addition, three meetings have been held with an established Stakeholder Group which consists
of property owners in and near the area guided for sewered development. City Staff has met with
Washington County public works staff as well as MnDOT to discuss the future sewered area
South of 10th Street.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
Transportation planning for this area has been a recent topic discussed as a major collector road
is designated in the City's Comprehensive Plan to bisect the area guided for sewered
development. Other applicable staff, such as the City Engineers have been brought in for
discussions.
An open house is being scheduled for mid to late October for the existing neighborhoods in this
area - Stonegate, The Forest and Midland Meadows.
The next two Work Group meetings are scheduled for October.
Staff will give a presentation with a little more detail concerning the past discussions by the work
group and the future steps that will be undertaken by this group during the Planning Commission
meeting.
RECOMMENDATION:
Staff is asking the Planning Commission to provide Staff with its comments regarding the work
group's progress to date. Individual members of the work group are also encouraged to share
their thoughts with the Commission as a whole.
ORDER OF BUSINESS:
- Introduction. .. - . . ..... - .... .............. -- .......... ................... -- ....... ................ City Planner
Reportby staff .................... ...............................
Questions from the Commission .......................
Call for a motion ................. ...............................
Discussion of Commission on the motion .........
Action by the Planning Commission ..................
ATTACHMENTS:
............. ...........................City Planner
......... Chair & Commission Members
........................... Chair Facilitates
..................... Chair Facilitates
.......... Chair & Commission Members
Planning Commission
Date: 9/26/11
Business Item
Item: 4b
ITEM: Village Work Group Planning Update f
SUBMITTED BY: Kyle Klatt, Planning Director
REVIEWED BY: Kelli Matzek, City Planner
SUMMARY AND ACTION REQUESTED
The Planning Commission is being asked to spend a portion of its next meeting to receive an
update from Staff regarding the Village Work Group. A committee of four Planning
Commissioners, two City Council members, and one at large citizen has met five times over the
past several months to discuss potential updates to the Comprehensive Plan focusing on the
Village Planning Area. This Committee has been charged with ultimately working on and
developing implementation strategies for the Village area that can be incorporated into the City's
Comprehensive Plan. It is expected that this group will continue to meet throughout the fall and
winter, and periodically report back to the Planning Commission as a whole on its progress.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
At Staff's direction, the Village Work Group created a list of meeting topics and has met to
discuss these topics at various times this summer. The complete list of meeting subjects has
been attached, and the meetings that have been conducted to date can be summarized as
follows:
1. Introductory meeting. The objectives for the group were discussed and past Village
planning efforts were reviewed.
2. Design Examples. The work group discussed and highlighted design examples and
characteristics that they found attractive and that could be incorporated into a future
Village area development. The group also discussed the future location of a new
downtown area and how density will play a role in future Village development.
3. Scale and Walkability. This meeting focused on the importance of walkability in terms of
successful development in the new downtown. The group reviewed maps demonstrating
specific distances from the Village core, and where development could be located in a
manner that best promotes walking. Denser residential development was seen as a key
factor in supporting a walkable village.
4. Character of the Village Area. The work group discussed what the overriding character
of development in the Village should be. Design standards were viewed as a critical
component of future planning, and the group suggested which types of standards were
most appropriate for Lake Elmo.
5. Design Standards and Options for Implementation. This meeting included a brief
overview from Staff concerning the variance mechanisms available to promote or
regulate good design. The group concluded that there was no one specific tool that could
address all of the City's expectations.
The next meeting of the work group, tentatively scheduled for later in October, will include a more
hands -on exercise of mapping out what the future land use patterns will look like given some of
the parameters that have previously been established by the City Council. In addition to
integrating the work group's direction from the previous meeting, the Council has established an
overall housing unit count of 931 new residential units in the Village, which must be allocated in a
manner that achieves the objectives that the group has been establishing ( in addition to following
the overall direction of the 1997 Village Master Plan). This is certainly not a simple task, but
never - the -less; the work group has thus far been very enthusiastic about moving this project
forward.
Staff will give a presentation with a little more detail concerning the past discussions by the work
group and the future steps that will be undertaken by this group during the Planning Commission
meeting. Please note that he attached meeting topics list includes future meetings that are
tentative at present, including a planned meeting with the larger land owners within the future
development areas.
RECOMMENDATION:
Staff is asking the Planning Commission to provide Staff with its comments regarding the work
group's progress to date. Individual members of the work group are also encouraged to share
their thoughts with the Commission as a whole.
ORDER OF BUSINESS:
- Introduction ...................
...... .......................Planning Director
- Report by staff ............................... ............................... .......................Planning Director
- Questions from the Commission .... ............................... Chair & Commission Members
- Call for a motion .................................................... ............................... Chair Facilitates
- Discussion of Commission on the motion
- Action by the Planning Commission....
ATTACHMENTS:
1. Village Work Group — Meeting Topics List
Chair Facilitates
......... Chair & Commission Members
.
Meeting
Date
Suggested Topic
1
5/19/11
Introductory meeting
2
6/16/11
Design Examples/ Consideration of Good Design Principles
3
6/20/11
Scale /Walkability
4
7/7/11
Character of the Village
5
7/20/11
Design Standards /Options for Implementation
6
10/25/11
Conceptual Land Use Map Update Review
7
Concepts for Mixed Use Development
8
Commercial Development
9
Public and Private Infrastructure
10
Parks and Traits
11
Sustainability
12
Zoning for Village
13
Preliminary Comprehensive Plan Update Draft
14
Refined Draft
15
Final Draft
i
Meeting
Date
Suggested Topic
1
10/13/11
Meeting with Larger Landowners (Developing Areas)
2
Meeting with Business Community
3
Meeting with Village Residents
4
Visual Preference Survey
5
Design Standards
6
Public Spaces and Infrastructure
7
Preliminary Draft - Comprehensive Plan Update