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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of May 28, 2014
Vice Chairman Dodson called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning
Commission at 7:00 p.m.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Dodson, Kreimer, Larson, Dorschner, and Haggard joined at
7:15pm.
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Morreale, Williams, Yocum and Lundgren.
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Klatt and City Planner Johnson.
Approve Agenda:
The agenda was accepted as presented.
Approve Minutes: May 12, 2014
M/S/P: Dorschner/Kreimer, move to approve the minutes as amended, Vote: 4-0,
motion carried unanimously.
Public Hearing: Zoning Text Amendment – Shoreland Ordinance Update
Johnson started his presentation by going over the proposed ordinance which would
add the recently adopted urban development districts to the City’s Shoreland
regulations. A request was made to add a definition for dedicated riparian areas. This
ordinance was submitted to all the appropriate agencies. VBWD was the only one to
submit comments. There was a face to face meeting with the DNR, but to date the City
has received no formal comments.
Dorchner asked about the performance standards for water oriented accessory
structures. He asked when the provisions were last amended. Johnson noted that the
performance standards were amended to allow for larger structures used as boat
houses. In addition, a reduced setback is also allowed for water oriented accessory
structures. Dorschner noted his concern that the proposed ordinance amends the
structure height of water-oriented structures back to 10’ at the request of the DNR,
while one individual property owner got to build a boathouse at a larger dimension.
Kreimer asked about which lakes should be selected for riparian dedication. Johnson
noted that staff reviewed the registered public water bodies in the community and
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determined that the only water bodies that would benefit from riparian dedication
would be Goose and Kramer Lakes.
Dodson asked for clarification regarding Ordinary High Water Level in Table 17-3.
Johnson provided clarity.
Public Hearing opened at 8:24pm.
No one spoke and the only written comment was from the VBWD.
Public Hearing closed at 8:24pm.
Dorschner discussed water oriented accessory structures. He noted that he is
disappointed that the boathouse structures are not allowed to have a roof.
The Planning Commission would like an interpretation from the City Attorney regarding
what enclosed would mean.
M/S/P: Dorschner/Larson, move to strike “with an additional roof” in sub section 4.a.v.,
Vote: 5-0, motion carried unanimously.
M/S/P: Dodson/Kreimer, move to recommend approval of the amended Shoreland
Ordinance with inclusion of Dedicated Riparian area Definition , Vote: 5-0, motion
carried unanimously.
Public Hearing: Zoning Text Amendment – Performance Standards Attached Garages
Klatt began his presentation by explaining what the current development standards are
in regards to front yard setback and minimum width of residential garages. He noted
that the City has received feedback from a number of builders that the existing
performance standards related to attached garages are problematic. Staff is proposing
an ordinance amendment to address the builder concerns. It would raise the
percentage of allowable garage width from 60% to75% of the total front facade.
Public Hearing opened at 7:58pm.
Joe Jablonski, Lennar Homes, shared his experiences in the dimensions of single family
homes. He noted that Lennar homes does not offer single family homes that do not
have 3-car garages, as it was not conducive to their marketing. He also noted that
Lennar attempts to add architectural features to their homes to add visual interest
around the area of the garage. Larson asked if the garages can be reversed to add visual
interest. Jablonski noted that the garage side is typically determined by the grading plan
and elevations of the lot. Haggard asked for clarifications on which Lennar elevations or
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house types met the City’s ordinance. Jablonski noted that close to 75% of the home
types that were distributed to the Planning Commission do not meet the performance
standards. Larson asked about wider lots. Jablonski noted that the same concern exists,
as many of their house types remain the same regardless of width of lot.
Craig Allen, Gonyea Company, spoke about his experience with the custom home
builders who Gonyea Company works with. He noted that these performance standards
have an indirect consequence of limiting creativity with the home styles. Allen also
noted that Gonyea and the stable of custom builders they work with build very few
homes that do not have three-car garages.
Michael Ramme, Ryland Homes, noted that they do not build any two-car garage
homes. The market at this time for single family homes is demanding three-car garages.
Ramme noted that requiring garages to be recessed 4 feet adds to the redundancy of
neighborhoods. Dodson asked about Ryland’s experiences around the Metro area.
Ramme noted that he has not encountered other communities that address
performance standards for attached garages. Larson asked if it were possible for the
building community to be more creative with their design to add variety. Mr. Ramme
noted that Ryland has an anti-redundancy clause in their neighborhoods.
Public Hearing closed at 8:32 pm.
Staff discussed their perspective about the architectural standards of attached garages.
Haggard stated her points to the Planning Commission.
Dodson discussed his position related to the architectural standards of single family
homes.
Kreimer noted that he supports the interpretation of measuring the garage doors
themselves individually. He noted that plats have been approved with smaller lots, and
it is the City’s responsibility to make it work. Kreimer added that he would support
making the minimum lot widths larger, as in retrospect he thinks that was a mistake.
Klatt shared the purpose statement of the City’s Zoning Code. Most things such as
adequate spacing and height, serve a specific public purpose while percent of garage
really doesn’t serve a particular public purpose. Design standards are typically used to
preserve a community asset while this policy is a private o ne.
Haggard stated that these standards were devised based on hours of meetings. The lot
requirement was dropped at the request of the builders which was probably a mistake.
Rather than allowing a larger percentage of garage, she would rather see a wide r lot.
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M/S/P: Dorschner/Kreimer, move to amend 457.A.2 to read “the width of the visible
garage door surface area when closed shall not exceed 60% of the width of the entire
principal building façade (including garage) fronting the primary street, Vote: 4-1,
motion carried, with Haggard voting no.
M/S/P: Dodson/Dorschner, move to recommend approval of the amendments to
Section 154.457 of the zoning code concerning attached garages with the amended
changes related to garage door width, Vote: 4-1, motion carried, with Haggard voting
no.
Public Hearing: Minor Comprehensive Plan Amendment – Density Ranges
Klatt started his presentation related to the proposed minor comprehensive plan
amendment. This amendment would clarify the density ranges in the Urban Districts.
The intent of the perfecting amendment is to close artificial gaps that exist between
land use categories in the City’s plan. This will provide clarity, and the change is now
possible due to the termination of the MOU with the Metropolitan Cou ncil. There
would be no changes to Urban Low or High Density, only Urban Median Districts. There
would be a minor adjustment to VMX. There would be no requirement for external
review based on the districts being looked at.
There was general discussion about the appropriate ranges for the land use categories
as part of the plans. The Planning Commission suggested that the number not overlap.
An example would be 2.5 to less than 4.
Public Hearing opened at 9:41pm.
No one spoke and no written comments were received.
Public Hearing closed at 9:42 pm.
M/S/P: Dorschner/Kreimer, move to recommend approval of the Minor Comprehensive
Plan amendment to remove gaps in the density ranges within the Comprehensive Plan
and Table 3-B, as well as changing the ranges to avoid overlap of density ranges, Vote:
5-0, motion carried unanimously.
Updates and Concerns
Council Updates – May 20, 2014 Meeting
1. City Code Amendment – Driveway width Perfecting Amendment passed.
2. City Code Amendment – Net Density Passed.
3. Street Vacation – Approved a partial vacation of 12th Street.
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4. Developer’s Agreement – Approved the Savona Developer’s Agreement.
Staff Updates
1. Upcoming Meetings
a. June 9, 2014
b. June 23, 2014
2. MOU now terminated by the City and Metropolitan Council. The 2040 forecast
was also adopted, noting a population of 20,500.
3. Staff will send out Planning Commissioner’s web articles.
Commission Concerns -
Planning Commission hoped to discuss what the MOU termination means for the City’s
Land Use Plan. Klatt offered some ideas about how to complete some high level
analysis.
Planning Commission would like to get presentation from Stillwater School District to
know how they are planning to accommodate our growth.
Meeting adjourned at 10:04 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Joan Ziertman
Planning Program Assistant