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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of December 12, 2016
Chairman Kreimer called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning Commission at
7:00 p.m.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Kreimer, Dunn, Griffin, Dodson, Williams, Larson, Fields and
Lundquist
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Haggard
STAFF PRESENT: Planning Director Wensman
Approve Agenda:
Williams asked to add 5b, a discussion of the Golf Course Community. Wensman asked
to add a discussion of the Village Parkway as 5c.
M/S/P: Williams/Dunn, move to approve the agenda as amended, Vote: 7-0, motion
carried.
Approve Minutes: November 28, 2016
M/S/P: Williams/Fields, move to approve the November 28, 2016 minutes as amended,
Vote: 4-0, motion carried with kreimer, Griffin and Dunn not voting as they were not
present.
Public Hearing – Zoning Map Amendment – rezone the property known as Diedrich
Preliminary Plat
Wensman started his presentation by stating that this is a public hearing for a zoning
map amendment for the Diedrich property. It is guided medium density residential, but
is currently zoned as rural transitional. The preliminary plat was approved under the
MDR land use category, but the rezoning was not done with the preliminary plat.
Dodson asked if there was a proposed development. Wensman stated that there is an
approved preliminary plat and the property owners are looking for a developer to
proceed with the project. There are conditions that would need to be met before the
project can final plat, but it is important that the other half of 5 th street be built.
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Williams asked if in the future the rezoning and preliminary plat would be done at the
same time. Wensman stated that they would either be done at the same time, or the
rezoning might be done first.
Dunn asked if the density for this development is double what it is for Hunter’s Crossing.
Wensman stated that Hunter’s Crossing is LDR, so it would be about 3 units per acre and
this development would be about 4 units per acre.
Public Hearing opened at 7:10 pm
No one spoke and there were no written comments
Public Hearing closed at 7:10 pm
M/S/P: Williams/Dodson, move to recommend approval of the Zoning Map
Amendment to rezone the Diedrich Property Preliminary Plat, PID #36.029.21.32.0002
from Rural Development Transitional to Urban Medium Density Residential and PID
#36.029.21.32.0034 from Urban Low Density Residential to Medium Urban Density
Residential, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Business Item – Hammes II – Final Plat
Wensman started his presentation for Hammes Estates 2nd addition Final Plat. There
are 37 single family homes for this addition accessed off of Keats Ave. This is the piece
that will provide the connection to Savona which was required with the 50th lot of the
development. Wensman went through the specifics of the Final Plat and stated that it is
consistent with the preliminary plat. There are some construction plan details that need
to be updated. These will need to be updated prior to recording the plat. The
Preliminary Plat conditions have been reviewed and they are working to meet all of the
conditions. Staff is recommending 10 conditions of approval for with the Final Plat.
Wensman went through the draft findings and is recommending approval with the 10
conditions in the staff report.
Dodson asked about construction traffic. Wensman stated that it would access off of
Keats.
Dunn asked about the wetland buffers and why they are so lenient. Wensman stated
that this development was allowed to move forward with some of those wetland
buffers in the lot, which should not be. Once it is part of the lot, there is not a lot of
control as to what the owner does and the buffer is not always maintained. Moving
forward, the City will ensure that the wetland buffers are outside of private lots.
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Griffin asked if there is currently a grading permit. Wensman stated that they are
waiting for an as-built grading plan. They will be grading with their development
agreement.
Williams asked if the phasing should be added to the subdivision ordinance. Wensman
stated that it is being addressed in the development agreement and doesn’t feel t hat it
needs to be addressed by the Planning Commission.
David Stradtman, Rachel Development, went through some of the things that they had
to deal with when they picked up the development. Stradtman stated that the second
phase will move along a lot more smoothly and the second phase is to get ahead of
things. MI Homes is going to purchase all of the home sites in second addition.
Dunn asked what the threshold would be for a traffic light on Keats Ave. Wensman
stated that this plat had County review and they did not feel it warranted a traffic light
at this time.
Williams would like to see some language of the wetland buffer protection mentioned in
the HOA agreement and possibly monument signs in the lot. This should be added to
condition number 4.
Williams would like language added to condition number 6 to state that the requested
modifications are from the Planning Director in the letter dated November 30, 2016.
Williams would like condition number 7 to state written permission from Xcel Energy.
M/S/P: Kreimer/Williams, move to recommend approval of the Hammes Estates 2nd
Addition Final Plat with the 10 conditions of approval as amended based on the findings
of fact listed in the Staff Report, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Business Item – Golf Course Community Discussion
Williams stated that at the last City Council, they voted to have staff look at an updated
Comprehensive Plan amendment to allow a golf course community. Williams looked at
it and thinks that there should be some changes in the wording. There is language
about the Village Transition area. If the golf course community option moves forward,
there is not Village Transition area so that language should be eliminated. Wensman
suggested referring to the former Tartan Park area. Williams would like to replace the
reference of “destination” with “an expanse of open space”. He would like to replace
“rather than develop the land as a standard OP rural develop” with “for at least 25
Years” because a golf course development could be done as an OP if the golf course was
put into open space. He wants to protect the City and residents that purchase a home
around the golf course for at least 25 years. That would be until 2040 which is when the
next Comprehensive Plan would be. Wensman stated that there would be a public
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hearing for this item and they will be able to weigh in again in early January. Williams
thinks these recommendations should be passed along to the City Council.
Dunn wants people to come to this development with confidence that what they think
they are getting is what they will get. She thinks there should be some assurance that
the golf course will stay. She doesn’t see why anyone would object to having that
guarantee.
M/S/P: Williams/Dunn, move to forward the suggested changes regarding Golf Course
community to the City Council, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Rick Packer, Royal Golf Club, they first brought an application forward for Village
Transition at the staff’s suggestion. They came to the Planning Commission and the
Commission thought there should be special zoning. The staff went back and prepared
the Golf Course Community recommendation. At the public hearing, it was decided that
it really didn’t get them anywhere with the Golf Course Community, so the
recommendation that moved forward to the City Council was the Village Transition. At
the City Council, it came back around and the City Council went back to the Golf Course
Community. Last week they were told that this would have to be renoticed for Public
Hearing again on January 9th 2017. He feels that it is not appropriate that they talk
about this tonight, but should be talked about at the public hearing on January 9 th,
2017.
Dunn does not feel it is inappropriate to talk about things in advance of the public
hearing just to get ideas out there. Williams stated that they are not taking any vote
tonight on the entire proposed amendment. They are only looking at possible changes
to bring forward to the City Council in preparation for the public hearing. Williams feels
they are an informal recommendation for the City Council to look at and accept or
reject. Dodson stated that it is in their discretion to recommend to the City Council as
they see fit. He also stated that the Planning Commission meetings are open to the
public.
Business Item – Village Parkway Discussion
There are a number of pending projects that will be coming forward that will involve the
Village Parkway and there are a few issues with it. Wensman has been reviewing the
design of the Village Parkway and he has some questions and has identified some
potential issues. There are 3 potential projects coming forward, the Village Park
Preserve, Gonyea West and the Zignago Insurance Building. Wensman went through
where the Village Parkway is and that there are 3 different designs. There is a zero
setback assuming that there is an urban sidewalk such as in the Village.
There is a problem with the Village Parkway design such in Easton Village where the
trees are planted between the sidewalk and the boulevard. The trees need to be
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planted outside of the sidewalk area to prevent tree damage and such from
snowplowing.
A summary of the design is that it is designed to Municipal State Aid Road Standards,
the design profile determines parking, access control (no residential driveways allowed),
and final design has no center medians, irrigation required and theming. The irrigation
for 5th street is quite expensive and the theming was thrown out for 5th street. Another
question is where and when should 14 foot sidewalks be required. Arbor Glen does not
have a zero lot line. Do we want consistency? The setback is between zero and 20 feet.
It would not look good if it fluctuated on a site by site basis.
Dunn asked why on 39th Street the sidewalk on one side is a concrete and the sidewalk
on the other side is asphalt. She is not happy with the result. She is not happy with the
VMX zoning and feels that it really needs to be looked at. She calculates that there
could be 5000 people in a very small area.
Wensman wants to be ahead of the setback issue for when the Zignego project comes
forward. If they are rezoned to VMX, they will probably ask for that zero lot line.
Williams thinks that with the new City Council coming onboard, the Planning
Commission should get their feedback before they do a lot of work on this.
Dodson is struggling because he sees the VMX as not being an office building, but more
of shops. Wensman stated that office building is an allowed use in VMX. Uses change
once a building is up. Dodson stated that the zero lot line to him is more of a retail use.
Wensman stated that it is a question of how far out of the core Village they want VMX
to go and how big they want the Village to be.
Fields stated that there needs to be a critical amount of housing within walking distance
to stimulate pedestrian oriented retail. Wensman stated that there needs to be a
strong vision to reassure businesses that you are working towards that vision.
Williams suggests to bring this back to the first Planning Commission meeting to look at
the Zignago building as the first opportunity to look at the VMX and the vision for the
Village, and maybe limit the discussion to 39th Street.
Fields stated that he believes that the vision for the Village was a strong desire to have
pedestrian oriented retail. He thinks that the pedestrian oriented retail in Lake Elmo
would not be able to compete with the car oriented retail in the metro area, because
Lake Elmo is a fairly low density City. It would be difficult to be competitive.
Dodson thinks the theming needs to be looked at and that there should be consistency
throughout the City.
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City Council Updates – December 6, 2016 Meeting
i) OP4 Boulder Ponds LLC Zoning Map Amendment/PUD Amendment – passed.
ii) Wildflower 2nd Final Plat and Final PUD Plan – passed.
iii) Review of Preliminary Royal Golf EAW
iv) Royal Golf Comprehensive Plan Amendment – direction given for Golf Course
Community.
1. Upcoming Meetings
a. January 9, 2017
b. January 23, 2017
Commission Concerns
Dunn brought up some safety issues to Washington County regarding the Lake Elmo Inn
and the railroad tracks. People are parking on the bump outs and there is only one lane
to get through. The flow of traffic is not very good. There are trees under the power
lines that were not a good idea either. Wensman stated that the signage and striping
was delayed because of the weather which has been a problem.
Kreimer asked about the advertising for the Planning Commission members. He was
under the impression that they were full right now. There are 2 terms expiring at the
end of the year. Dunn and Fields.
Meeting adjourned at 9:07 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Joan Ziertman
Planning Program Assistant