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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission Meeting
Minutes of November 27, 2017
Chairman Kreimer called to order the meeting of the Lake Elmo Planning Commission at
7:00 p.m.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Williams, Kriemer, Lundquist, Emerson, Johnson Larson, &
Hartley
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Dodson & Dorschner
STAFF PRESENT: City Planner Prchal & City Administrator Handt
Approve Agenda:
M/S/P: Lundquist/Williams, move to approve the agenda as presented, Vote: 7-0,
motion carried unanimously
Approve Minutes: November 13, 2017
M/S/P: Williams/Hartley, move to approve the November 13, 2017 minutes as
amended, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Business Item – 2018 Planning Department Work Plan
Prchal started his presentation regarding the 2018 Planning Department work plan. He
went through the projects that have been completed and the ones that are in progress.
There are some items that are listed as a priority, but they will coincide with the
Comprehensive Plan Amendment. There are a number of ongoing projects such as the
CIP, escrows, code enforcement and records management. There are projects that
need feedback from the Planning Commission.
M/S/P: Williams/Larson, move to add a study into modifying the Zoning Code and
Comprehensive Plan to include requiring and/or incentivizing affordable housing in
sewered development as a priority level 2 on the 2018 work plan, Vote: 7-0, motion
carried unanimously.
Handt stated that there is language in the Comprehensive Plan that is contrary to
providing incentives for affordable housing.
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Williams stated that with the Comprehensive Plan revision, it is something that can be
looked at. Emerson thinks that will be diff icult to do. Hartley feels that affordable
housing would be better dispersed throught the City vs. concentrated in one area.
Larson feels that it should be development driven and if an opportunity arises, it should
be considered.
The public facilities Zoning Text Amendment can be removed as it was recently
completed. Outdoor lighting had to do with street light locations and fixtures.
There was some discussin about guiding RR and A parcels less than 20 acres in size to
RE. It was determined that should go with the Comprehensive Plan Amendment so that
the population could be balanced. Kreimer does not recall any discussion regarding the
size of the parcel. His recollection was just introducing it back into the Zoning Code as it
is no longer available as an option. There were 2 itmes completed in the other planning
initiatives which can be removed.
Hartley asked about electronic searchable versions of documents. Handt stated that the
conversion process starts with a specific date and as time allows, you can work
backwards. Handt stated that the best use of funds is to update the zoning code to
electronic with the Comprehensive Plan update.
M/S/P: Lundquist/Johnson, move to change the research/develop drone policy or
ordinance to a priority 2, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Lundquist thinks that with the airport, it is important and could easily be researched by
looking at Cities such as Bloomington, St. Paul, Eden Prairie, etc. Prchal stated he just
went to a drone seminar at the County and he can reach out to them for some contacts.
Kreimer asked about outdoor wood burning stoves. It was on work plan at one point
and now it is gone. Handt stated that they have not received any complaints so it was
probably removed.
M/S/P: Lundquist/Williams, move to recommend the 2018 Planning Department work
plan with amendments to the City Council, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Business Item – Zoning Text Amendment – Sign Regulations
Prchal started his presentation regarding the sign regulations. Areas of concern are the
area allowed for signs along the freeway and monument signs in developments. This
would include the size and number allowed. A larger sign would be allowed at the main
entrance and smaller ones at subsequent entrances. This amendment would also
address subdivision signs direction signs within right of ways. Lighting was discussed,
including the prohibition of LED lighting.
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The Planning Commission feels that the expectation should be that if a sign permit i s
issued, the sign should be completed within a year.
Hartley asked why the City would care if it is an LED light. Prchal stated that if they do
not have shielding, the lighting might be more bright. Hartley stated that the LE lighting
would probably be preferable. Kriemer stated that he thinks the Noran Clinic has LED
and it seems fine.
Williams stated that the signs within center islands should also include the support
structure being at least 5 feet from the curb.
Emerson stated that the pylon signs should be increased to 150 square feet along I-94 to
be competitive with Woodbury.
M/S/P: Emerson/Lundquist, move to change the existing 100 square feet to 150 square
feet within 50 feet of a property line along I-94, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Williams does not agree with the base being at least 75% of the width of the sign as that
prevents having a pylon sign which would be appropriate along I-94. Williams would
like to remove the size restriction of the base, but leave in the materials.
M/S/P: Williams/Hartley, move to change the last sentence of (b) in notes to table 5-3 to
read “The base shall be constructed of materials that are similar to those used on the
building for which the sign is installed”, Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
M/S/P: Hartley/Johnson, move to delete the change listed in section 5 (h), Vote: 7-0,
motion carried unanimously.
Business Item – Zoning Test Amendment – Wind Power Ordinance
Prchal started his presentation by stating that the old wind generator ordinance should
be removed and replaced with the new version. One important point of the new
ordinance is that the definition of what a wind mill is was changed. There was no real
discussion about where they should be allowed. There was discussion if there should
just be a 10 acre minimum or if it should be by zone. There were 10 items that the
Planning Commission asked staff to specifically look at. There was diameter of rotor and
height, proximity to wildlife, noise and vibration, fencing for security risk, safety
standards, standards for specific certification, color and maintenance, removal and
setbacks.
The diameter of rotor proposed is 52 feet, with a blade length of 26. The hei ght was left
the same at 125 feet. Roof mounted structures, the Commission is thinking there
should be a limit of 6 feet higher than structure mounted to. These would be vertical
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axis structures. To address the proximity to wildlife, right now the wind generators are
not allowed in the Shoreland overlay district. They are supposed to be 1.25 times the
structures height from that boundary. No vibration can be created that can be felt
beyond the property line. Staff is not recommending fencing around the wind
generator. Hartley stated that there should be feedback from the City attorney on that.
Prchal stated that there are other safety measures such as anti-climbing systems that
might work better than a fence which is why he decided not to include the fencing.
Williams agrees with Commissioner Hartley that input from the City Attorney would be
important.
Prchal stated that the safety standards came from multiple sources. The Planning
Commission can make them more or less stringent based on their preference. Johnson
stated that they might want to add any manufacturer warranties or instructions as a
requirement. Prchal is suggesting that the color be white or off-white. The removal and
decommissioning standards come from the Public Utilities Commission.
The Planning Commission does not feel that the Wind Generators have to be limited to
an accessory structure, but could be considered as a primary structure. Handt is
wondering if wind generators as a primary use are in the best interest of the City as they
might not create much tax value to the city. Handt is not sure how they are taxed.
Prchal will research what other communities do in regards to principle use vs. accessory
use.
Larson thinks there should be discussion about having wind generators in the outlots of
developments as there is a lot of open land.
M/S/P: Williams/Kreimer, move to have wind generators as a Conditional principle use,
Vote: 7-0, motion carried unanimously.
Williams asked why it is limited to one mono pole system. It could be a large piece of
property. Prchal stated that the old ordinance required them to be 1000 feet apart.
Prchal stated that it is up to the Planning Commission on how many they would like to
allow. Williams doesn’t feel they should be specifically limited but should be regulated
by setbacks and such. One consideration might be the manufacturer’s suggestion of
how far apart they should be. Handt stated that there are model ordinances that look
at lot size, setbacks, etc. Handt thinks that it might be beneficial to look at those before
holding the public hearing.
Handt stated that if someone is looking to install a wind generator in the airport area, it
would require FAA approval and the applicant would be responsible to get that
approval.
There was some discussion regarding engineering for safety standards. Handt stated
that a general statement regarding safety would probably be sufficient as they might
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change over time. Handt stated that there are standards either in the state building
code or state statute and it would not need to be included in the ordinance. Handt
stated that staff should look into how other Cities deal with some of these questions
and it should come back to them.
Kreimer is wondering about maintenance and if staff could look at model ordinances
regarding that.
City Council Updates – November 21, 2017 Meeting
i) Lake Elmo Sod Farm Interim Use Permit - approved
ii) Wyndham Village Subdivision Sketch Plan Review & CPA – tabled until
January
Staff Updates
1. Upcoming Meetings
a. December 11, 2017
2. MAC CEP Report
3. Comprehensive Plan Update
Commission Concerns
Lundquist would like a copy of the decision in regards to the appeals court regarding the
Rossow property. Handt stated it was a 2-1 vote in favor of Rossow and having the City
approve the plat. Handt stated that the City has 30 days to appeal.
Meeting adjourned at 9:30 pm
Respectfully submitted,
Joan Ziertman
Planning Program Assistant