HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-21-79 CCMCITY OF LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AUGUST 21, 1979
i Mayor Armstrong called the meeting to order_ -at 5:15 p.m.
Councilors in attendance: Mottaz, Pott, Johnson (5:40), Morgan (6:10), also
Administrator Whittaker, Planner Chelseth and Engineer Bohrer.
AGENDA: Addition under G. Other — Water Bills
Armstrong moved, seconded by Pott, to approve the agenda as amended.
Motion carried 3-0.
MINUTES: Mottaz moved, seconded by Armstrong, to approve the minutes of
August 7, 1979, as written. Motion carried 3-0.
Mottaz moved, seconded by Armstrong, to approve the minutes of
August 13, 1979, Special Council meeting, as amended. Under SUP
Valley Branch Watershed District — Pott also said he had trouble
with voting for this permit given the negative PZC recommendation.
Motion carried 3-0.
CLAIMS: The Council agreed to hold payment on theFire Hall and the Architects
bill until all the bills are in. As TIiDA will not agree to a "not
to exceed figure" the Council will wait until all the bills are in
before determining the amount to be split by the City and TKDA.
Pott suggested the City start now to secure door openers for the
Fire Hall Addition. The Council agreed to hold payment on the bill
from Bob Lafayette for the Appraisal Report on the Meyer/City property.
The Council agreed to pay Tower Asphalt, subject to receipt of the
final lien waiver, for First and Immanual. The Council agreed to
pay Tom Loucks, Planner, the remaining $300 due on his contract. His
contract does not bind him to do the final draft of the Zoning Ordi—
nance and all other work has been completed.
Pott moved, seconded by Mottaz, to approve claims 79517 thru 7954$
with the deletion of that portion of TKDA for the Fire Hall. Motion
carried 4-0.
MEYER APPRAISAL: The Council discussed various ways of handling the sale and
cost of the appraisal of Lots 33 and 34 in the Old Village. The
City owns 1/6 of the combined parcel. Discussion included the City
getting 1/6 of the total cost of the selling price — the total price
to be based on square footage. (This is if the property is sold.)
FCorrection 9/18/79 Whittaker suggested the City accept*$4,500 plus legal and appraisal
$4,500 should be fees and split the asked for difference if the porperty is sold on
$3,500 plus legal... a square footage basis. No action was taken.
REGIONAL PARK — Bob Lockyear, Washington County Planner —
Mr. Richard Meunich, from Brauer and Associates, attended with Mr.
Bob Lockyear, County Planner, to answer questions raised by the City
on the Regional Park Plan. The following issues were discussed:
1) South East Boat Launch — this has been left in the plan because
of support from the County Park Commission, it is utilizing an
existing boat launch and it provides a good line of sight for traffic
in relation to the Tartan Park location. Mottaz asked if this pro—
posed type of boat launch is consistant with the passive use facility
designation of this park. The City prefers a carry —in launch. A
launch of the proposed type is not consistant with the use of the lake.
(A fishing, sailing, swimming lake.) Mottaz is opposed to any ramp type
facility. Councilman Mottaz distributed a letter listing his concerns.
Mr. Lockyear said the Met Council may not agree to limit access to the
lake to only non —motorized craft The County is lealing with public
dollars thereby making it difficult to exclude certain public use.
He also said this is a park reserve (no more than 20'% of the area will
be developed) not a passive park.
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REGIONAL PARK: Johnson stated the west shore would be a better location for a
launch. Mr. Muenich felt the South East launch could be eliminated,
but if the lake is designated a fishing lake there must be access.
Mottaz desires a launch be engineered in such a way that you can
launch the type of boats desired, with regulations and and enforcement
agent. Mr. Lockyear said he will check on regulations with the Met
Council.
2) Through Road — Mr. Muenich indicated the alignment has been
changed in many places. The road is curved and has a T—intersection
about mid —point in the park. The road is a through —design in order
to enable people access to areas within the park rather than have
them leave its boundaries and drive around to another point. Pott
suggested signal lights for the tracks at the access from 212. Johnson
felt increased traffic on 212 may be diverted through the park. Mr.
Muenich indicated there will be control points at the access points
and a turning lane with center island at 212. The more expensive
alignment around the east side of the pond provides a more direct
route from the Interpretative Center to Headquarters. Ed Nielsen
asked why the center could not be moved. He would rather see the
money go towards developing trails than roads. The trails can be
done much sooner, also. Pott wanted it noted that many dollars are
to,be spent on roads and the City desires to save this money. There
will be no golf course in this plan.
3) RV Camping — The County said if this type of camping is desirable
the area located on the plan is the only feasible one. The Council
indicated it may not be desirable at all; and that if it is planned
it should be a full service site with dumping station. It is not a
good idea to mix RV and tent camping if electricity is not provided.
RV and primitive camping don't mix.
Mottaz quoted from a letter from Brauer concerning the intent of the
park. Mr. Lockyear indicated he will talk to the Met Council and
see what type of restrictions can be imposed. He stated this park
is to serve the Metropolitan Region.
4) Horse Trails — The County preceived a demand .for horse activities
in the park. The trails shown are for maximum use. From a design
perspective they will not be in conflict with other used areas.
Cross—country ski trails were not shown to the degree of use they
should be shown. Many horse trails can be used for ski trails in
the winter.
5) Development Schedule — A development schedule has been proposed
to Washington County, but no approval has been given as yet. It
will be a phased schedule. Morgan suggested one way to open the
park sooner is with a series of trails. This can be done with
minimal expense. These trails would be compatable with existing homes
the park.
Data Sheet — Parking for cross—country skiing was discussed. 50
spaces may not be enough. The Interpretative Center will act as a
back—up parking area in the winter. Mottaz questioned truck traffic
through the park. This will be handled with azel limits.
7) Swimming Beach — $200,000 is proposed to develop a swimming beach
on Lake Elmo. Ed Nielsen suggested a beach such as Square Lake. This
would be much less expensive. Existing lakeshore on the west could be
used rather than developing a new area. Mr. Muenich said the reason
for the proposed location is it would be near the picnic and activities
area. A natural beach would need too much fill and sand to make it
workable. Mr. Lockyear said he would check and see if it were feasible
to make a swimming area on the west side of the lake.
DINNER BREAK — BEN°S ELMO INN
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ENGINEER'S REPORT:
A. Hard 's Driveway — The Engineer was unable to determine the location
the concrete p'piars for the footbridge without property irons.
He will need some type of survey of the area. There is also a
question of whether or not part of the Hardy driveway is on City
pproperty. Mrs. Hardy told the Council she does not want to work
throu�h the County. She desires to stick to the original agreement
with the City. The Council suggested the footbridgge be on the
Hardy property if at all possible, and pay the Hardy's for the materials,
leaving them responsible for the construction of the bridge.
Mottaz moved, seconded by Morgan to authorize the Engineer to get
firm bids on construction of the driveway and offer the Hardy's $300
to buy materials for the footbridge. They would be responsible for
the bridge construction. Discussion — Hardy's would be asked to
give the City a construction easement to install the driveway and
culvert.
Morgan moved, seconded by Mottaz, to delay the motion until firm
bids for construction costs are received and the location of the
bridge piers are determined. Motion carried 5-0.
If the bridge is on City property the City would lease the land for
it to Hardy's. Mrs. Hardy will bring in the survey of her property
to determine if their driveway is on City property.
The Engineer brought up a drainage problem in Tablyn Park II on
27th Street cul—d—sac. Bruce Folz said that Mogren will fill and
sod the area if the work has not been completed.
B. Walter Pechan — The minimum width of the driveway access the
engineer would accept is 12 ft. This would allow one—way traffic.
Armstrong stated he is not in favor of setting a City policy of
permitting 'glorified' driveways in lieu of City streets. Maynard
Eder asked the Council to table this until he can review it and
see what impact it will have on his parents property. If 46th St.
were extended, this would split the Eders south 40 in half. Also,
the Stevens property would be involved.
Pott moved, seconded by Mottaz to table this request until the next
regular meeting. Motion carried 5-0.
C. Baptist Church — The grading being done at the site is in conflict
*rri£fi wha£ was approved on the original site plan; but might improve
the site for the neighbors. The fill will bring the major parking
area close to the same level of the road. The Engineer saw no
problem concerning the septic system. He primarily wanted the Council
aware of the change from the original plan. He suggested that since
the sanitary sewer permit was taken out before the grading work was
done that a new permit be taken out for the new system. The system
is on a slope now. By requiring a new permit the City can control
this portion of work. This revision is necessary because excess
material came from the pond excavation.
Armstrong moved, seconded by Mottaz to approve this request from
Lake Elmo Baptist Church for change, subject to the approval and
recommendations of the City Engineer. Motion carried 5-0.
Engineer Bohrer also suggested Bob Wier check on the sewer.
D. Foxfire Storm Sewer — The Council expressed concern about the
drainage running toward Lake Jane, and the City's ability to increase
the capacity of existing ponds if they fill up. They asked if the
system is designed to take the over —flow in today's 100 year storms.
Mr. Schifsky said he is confident the designed system is more than
adequate for the land when it is fully developed. This was the
opinion of the City's previous engineer also. The signs for Jamaca
stating "Emergency Vehicles Only" have been ordered. Barricades
have been put in place to stop through traffic. There has been some
questions from Jane Road North residents as to why the road will not
continue through. A keyed gate at the end of Jamaca will be installed
as soon as possible, per the developers agreement.
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E. Other — Engineer Bohrer will contact Mr. Siegfried -and see why
work on —the Fire Hall Addition is not on schedule. Pott--said he has
( been expecting a memo on the proposed maintenance building at the
landfill. The Administrator is to meet with the TKDA architect next
week.
IRVIN COURT — DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS —
Morgan stated he does not feel the residents in Lake Jane Hills
should have to pay for this improvement.. Either the developer or
**As much as $3,000 the City should pay their cost.**$2,000 will be assessed. The
will be assessed. developer will be responsible for the $5,600 cost for construction.
corrected 91i81r79 Pott said the City is past the point of spending $2,000 out of General
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Fund, as $600 has already been spent to determine who is benefitted.
Resolution 79-40 Pott moved, seconded by Morgan, to order the Irvin Court Drainage
**correction — Improvement Project*with the understanding that the*$2,000 cost will
$2,000 should be be assessed to the benefitting property owners. Benefit will be
$3,000. determined when the project is complete. Motion carried 5-0.
FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING HEARING:
Mayor Armstrong opened the hearing at $:50 p.m. He asked if any
person in the chambers had a proposal on how to spend the Revenue
Sharing money. There were no comments from the audience. The
hearing was closed at 8:55 p.m.
Morgan moved, seconded by Mottaz, the Federal Revenue Sharing money
be appropriated to the Police Budget. Motion carried 5-0.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN:
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Air ort Zone — It was suggested the airport safety zones be extended.
e ounce felt it would not be. wise to have a residential area
abutting the airport. The Planner will indicate an Airport Noise
Impact Zone with a dotted line defining the area. The area will be
enlarged by one runway length. This area will remain as planned
until the zoning is resolved.
212 and Railroad Tracks — East of "Old Village" — This area to be
designated-LI post . The area south of the tracks will remain
as planned.
County 13 — According to Chuck Swanson, County Engineer, this road
is" noon County road plans. County 13 will be shown on the map as
a major collector from 45th Street north to Highway 36. No other
consideration will be given it to the south.
Commercial — Cimarron Area — The commercial designation at Cimarron
i—all be removed. A red ted line will be drawn around the inter—
section. Convenience business zoning will be given to whoever submits
an approved plan first. Three corners of the intersection have
requested this zoning.
MUSA Line — Armstrong said he 'sees no need for sewer services in this
area " More e feels the line should be held in. He does not
see Section 32, where sewer is available, fully developed by 1990.
Pott feels it should be shown on the Comp Plan Map, as this is a
land use map. It will help give guidance to those making; decisions
three years from now. Armstrong does not see high intensity use in
this area; according to Mr. Barton, Met Council, the sewer unit al—
location to Woodbury and Oakdale is generous, thereby, posing no threat
of losing Lake Elmo's units to them. Mottaz questioned why Lake Elmo
should be planning for a high density gr—o Ti area? Pott asked if the
City desires to reserve any area for high intensity use? Morgan stated
there is presently 400 acres zoned for this use. We shoulT-wait until
this land is used before cutting off another chunk. Johnson does not
want to give the indication Lake Elmo does not want orneedthis sewer
capacity. It may come to a situation that a septic and drainfield
are not adequate and we will be unable to handle the situation. An
example would be the Old Village.
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: Our predessors did not anticipate the problems the Old
Village faces today regarding failing systems. Armstrong said the
difference is the 12 acre minimum and indicating w nfield sites.
Properly installed and properly maintained, todays septic system can
go to the year 2100. Morgan and Mottaz feel there will be an alternative
in time to the big "p p511, and Lake "•Imo can afford to wait, at this
time. Pott said he would like to shape the community not zone it. He
feels the ity is closing the door on diversified uses as no provision
for services are made in this plan. Armstrong took a vote to move the
MUSA line back to the west boundary oiy. Morgan, Mottaz and
Armstrong were in favor. Johnson and Pott were opposed. The high
density residential, the area inside the MUSA line and section 32, will
be deleted.
I-94 — The noise level zone will be 1 320 f et deep from County 13 to
bounty 19. From County 19 to County '15 — 6e60 feet back. Johnson
disagrees with the 660 figure. He does not feel it is deep enough
and 1,320 would be a better distance.
Highway 36 — Mottaz is opposed to any change on 36. Every effort should
e made to mai"nnaIn this as a comfortable commuter highway. How much
area do we deen for commercial? He would rather have business con—
centrated in the Old Village and along Highway 12 instead of starting
up a new area. Morgan feels commercial should go in the Old Village.
Highway 36 could support something that has never been done before.
The City could really control what would go in, possibly some type
of PUD. Something that would not detract from what is there now.
Pott would like to see something done between the highway and the
power lines. There would be no strong opposition if the right thing
were proposed. The City wants to avoid an area like Oak Park Heights has
and flag —flying car dealerships. They would like to see something
that would fit into the landscape not jump out from it.
Hi way 12 — Commercial — There are 300 A along Highway 12 designated
pos0 for development, Section 32 excepted. The door is not
being closed to requests in this area if it is the desired use and
good for the City and does not change what the Council desires the
City to look like. Section 32 development — now. From Co. 19 to
Section 32 developeent — 1985. Past County 19 development — post 1990.
A straw vote was taken on the 36 Corridor — all Treed to keep it as
it is.
3M— This will remain in the RR zone. The City acknowledges 3M as the
owners of said parcel and as stated in their letter to the City they
have no plans for development before 1985. The City will plan ac—
cordingly.
Resolution 79-41 Mottaz moved, seconded by Morgan, to adopt the Comprehensive Plan �
:orrected 9/18/79 with the stipulation this plan be subject to intensive review by the
PZC and City Council by 1985 or sooner. Motion carried 5-0.
OLD BUSINESS:
A. Banister Plat — Armstrong moved, seconded by Morgan, to approve
Resolution 79-42, accepting the Banister Plat and street utility
easement agreement. Motion carried 5-0. (copy attached to and hereby
made a part of these minutes.)
B. Hanson SUP Resolution — Mottaz moved, seconded by Morgan, to approve
eso u ion — -solution granting a Special Use Permit to
Leonard Hanson and Ordinance 7808 for rezoning. (cop yy attached to and
hereby made a part of these minutes) Motion,carried P.
C. Oli ger Mir�inermit, Fee — Morgan moved, seconded by Pott, to
insErucn£ £ dmmInT st'ra or o order the pile of fill removed as a
public nuisance. Motion carried 5-0.
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ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT:
A. Representative Levi - Representative Connie Levi will meet with
iEeZ'ouncil October , 1979, at 7:30 p.m. to talk over the prime ag
bill, new subdivision regulations, watershed law, etc. Representative
Levi would appreciate any Council comments or concerns before the
October 2 meeting.
B. DelaHunt, Voto - 1980 Contract - Morgan moved, seconded by Mottaz,
o accept the -contract from DelaHunt, Voto, auditors for a fixed rate
contract estimated to reach a maximum of $6,000. Motion carried 5-0.
C. Dictaphone - no discussion
eye' raisal - See beginning of minutes
E. Battle Creek Plan - Mayor Armstrong and Administrator Whittaker
will contact the Ramsey -Metro Watershed and determine the correct
areas and costs for the Battle Creek Plan.
F. Licenses - Mottaz moved, Morgan seconded, to approve a sewer
license-ior Road Runner Underground Utilities Service, Inc., 600
S. Warner Road, North St. Paul; and a heating license for Ray N. Welter
Heating Co., 4637 N. Chicago Avenue, Mpls., 55407; and, a general
contractors license GC-79-3, for Universe, Inc. 1345 Arcade Street,
St. Paul, 55106. Motion carried 5-0.
G. Other - Tartan Park Drainage letter
l not guarantee the preliminary fund. Pott stated that if
they are not willing to guarantee the preliminary fund then the City
should forget the whole thing. The Council agreed. The Council did
agree to petition the project if 3M would guarantee the preliminary
fund, and if the project is cost effective.
BUDGET: The City will discuss the Budget on September 4 at 7:30 P.M.
WATER BILLS: Residents who are more than two (2) quarters in arrears on their
water bills have been contacted by the City and asked to pay by the
27th of September, or make arrangement for payment. They will be
given the opportunity to talk to the Council at the October 2 meeting
before the amounts
ounts are certified for collection to the.County.
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BEUTAL POND: Morgan and Pott were appointed to a committee to assist the
Administrator in responding to the DNR letter on the City permit
request.
PUMPING ASSESSMENT: The City of Lake Elmo received appeals from'Pumping Assessment
III, from Harry and Beth Zabrock and Conrad Adams.
ADJOURNMENT: Mottaz moved, seconded by Morgan, to adjourn at 11:10 p.m. Motion
carried 5-0.
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RESOLUTION
CITY OF LAKE ELMO
WASHI.NGTON COUNTY, MINNESOTA
A RESOLUTION GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO
LEONARD HANSON
WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Lake Elmo has
received an application from Leonard Hanson for a Special
Use Permit for an open sales lot and an advertising sign
on his nr_operty legally described as follows, to -wit:
That part of the Southeast Quarter of
Section 35, Township 29 North, Range 21
West, lying North of the Northerly right-
of-way line of Trunk Highway #12 being the
South 627.9 feet of the West 618 feet there-
of. Containing 8.9 acres, more or less.
WHEREAS, said Leonard Hanson has also requested a
rezoning from SFU.to GB on the above described premises:
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the City Council
of the City of Lake Elmo as follows, to -wit:
1. The requested Special Use Permit for an open sale
lot and advertising sign is hereby granted provided the
sign shall be limited to four (4) feet by eight (8) feet
and be a non -flashing illuminated sign, and provided the
present ponds will he kept clean and will not be filled.
2. The requested zoning change from SFU to GB is
hereby granted provided the applicant complete the purchase;
and provided the applicant agrees to accept whatever zoning
is determined for the property in the comprehensive plan
now being considered by the City of Lake Elmo so long as
this permits the sale of horse trailers.
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3. The applicant shall sign a copy of this resolution
indicating his agreement with its terms and conditions.
1979.
Adopted by the City Council this at day of
Thomas G. Armstrong, Mayor
Attests
Laurence Tahittaker
City Administrator
x hereby agree to the terms and conditions of the
above. Resolution for a Special Use Permit..
Vi:in\irS)\
Leonard Hanson
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