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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-24-80 CCMSPECIAL JOINT CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 24, 1980 Vice Chairman Prince called the Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:40. l ROLL CALL: Crombie, Fraser, Lyall, Gifford, Lundquist MINUTES: November 10, 1960 - Corrections clarifying the corrections of the October 27 minutes. October 27 minutes - Federal Land - insert the following statement: "the Commission wishes to make clear that only the plans which do not include future public sewering were being considered. The Phase 2 plan is not being considered". Also, change the date of -the November 24 Planning Commission meeting. Fraser moved, seconded by Lyall, to approve the°'minutes of November 10, 1980, and October 27; 1980, as amended. Motion carried 6-0. aw EVERETTE BEAUBIEN - PUBLIC HEARING FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION AND VARIANCE: Vice Chairman Prince opened the hearing at 7:45 p.m. CITY COUNCIL MEETING: Mayor Armstrong called the Special City Council meeting to order at 7:46 p.m. Councillors in attendgnce: Pott, Mottaz, and Morgan. Also, Administrator Whittaker. Administrator Whittaker reviewed Mr. Beaubien's request. City Engineer Bohrer evaluated the request and determined that two 1 1/2 A lots can be created with 125 ft. frontage. Any approval should require two drainfield sites, perc tests and soil borings for septic systems on each lot. AUDIENCE COMMENTS: Neighbors asked what property was being,!eonsidered. After reviewing the proposal they stated concerns about the 33 ft. easement shown on the map. They stated there was an easement to the north, providing access to the lake for several lots, originally. After.subdivision of the property in 1962 by Mr Percy, the easement was moved to the south side of the property. They want this easement to remain their public access. This could be accomplished if the roadway were deeded to the City for street purposes. The Administrator said the City should review their agreement or easement to make sure the property is deeded to the water; and the City should verify who owns the easement. Questions before the Planning Commission: 1. Do the lots have access on a public road? 2. Will the City accept this request for .a road that does not meet City standards? 3. Will Mr. Beaubien be able to meet the lot width requirement on a public street? The neighbors claim Mr. Beaubien only has an easement to the..south 3:3 ft. of the roadway past his home. The Council and Commission discussed similar "private roads" and their standards. The City requires improved streets; but has made exceptions when there are extenuating circumstances. Before making a recommendation the Planning Commission would like the City Council to clarify the City's policy. Vice Chairman Prince closed the hearing at 8:15 p.m. Crombie suggested the City adopt a policy that provides for a 20' blacktop mat to service areas not requiring a normal street. Armstrong wants the Engineer's opinion on a 24' road vs a 20' road. SPECIAL JOINT MEETING, NOVEMBER 24, 1980 -3- FEDERAL LAND: Fraser would like to see this proposal go to public hearing and let the public determine if this proposal is reasonable and desirable. The Commission and Council futher discussed the issue with Mr. Colon and the City Planner. Pott noted the Council had agreed to the concept; and, said he feels this has not changed. He stated if County 19 is the key, then, the City should just wait until 19 is constructed. Mottaz stated his main concern is the demand for the proposed Commercial Business vs the designated Highway Business. Neither body had any recommendations on commercial areas around inter- sections. Fraser feels the City is discouraging Federal Land from pursuing this plan by not considering amending the Comp Plan. She feels this proposal is an opportunity for the City and the developer to plan ahead. She also stressed that opening this request up to public hearing gives businessmen and residents an opportunity to react to proposals that may affect the business climate of Lake Elmo. Armstrong said he does not feel the City should•string'developers along with planning if their proposal is premature and entails amending the Comp Plan to accomodate it. Presently, there are too many 'ifs'. County 19 is the key question. After this question is resolved, then, the proposal can be considered. The Administrator said the only conditions under which the City should consider amending the Comp Plan is when there is a change in conditions from when the plan was approved. Armstrong stated the concept idea of clustering commercial around intersections is good and should be explored; but, the City is not sure there will be an intersection at 19,at this point. Mr. Colon expressed his position on dealing with other governmental agencies and the planning process. The Council and Commission discussed these procedures with him and the necessity and desire for County 19. Fraser moved, thatthePlanning Commission institute the proceedings for a Public Hearing to consider modifying the Comprehensive Plan along 1-94. Motion died for lack of a second. Crombie moved, seconded by Gifford, to recommend the City Council table further consideration of the Federal Land Company proposal and table any action on amending the Comprehensive Plan until the disposition of County 19 is clear. Motion carried 4-1-1. Fraser opposed. Lundquist abstained. Pott moved, seconded by Morgan, to accept the recommendation of the Planning Commission. Motion carried 4-0. Crombie moved, seconded by Lyall, to recommend the City Council table the PUD application from Federal Land Company until a firm construction plan for County 19 is submitted. Motion carried 5-1. Fraser opposed. Lyall stated the Planning Commission agreed that the layout and concept of the plan were good. The Commission agreed. SPECIAL JOINT MEETING, NOVEMBER 24, 1980 -4- COMP PLAN - MET COUNCIL COMMENTS: The commission reviewed the City's response to the Met Council's comments. There were no comments or objections from the Planning Commission. The Administrator reviewed the map showing available lots. Pott recommended the Administrator change the wording of the response to indicate `-.potential' or alledged' problems in the 208 Study at Cimarron, in the Old Village and the 'Pri-Lakes Area. The Council and Administrator agreed. CITY COUNCIL ADJOURNMENT: Mottaz moved, seconded by Morgan, to adjourn at 10:40 p.m. PLANNING COMMISSION ADJOURNMENT: 11:00 P.M.