HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-23-83 CCMLAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MEETING, FEBRUARY 23, 1983
SPECIAL STREET REHABILITATION HEARING
Acting Mayor Morgan convened the meeting at 6:32 p.m.
Councillors present: Fraser, Dunn and Mazzara. Mayor Eder was absent.
AGENDA ITEMS:
1. FRANK MEYER - PROPERTY REZONING FROM RR TO AG:
Administrator Whittaker reported on the Planning Commission
recommendation to approve the never Rezoning in order that Mr.
Meyer can qualify for Ag Preserve. He further explained the
Ag Preserve Program to new Council members Dunn and Mazzara.
M/S/P Mazzara/Fraser adopting Ordinance 7945 rezoning the Frank Meyer
property, located at 5055 Keats Avenue, from RR to Aq, per the
recommendation of the Planning Commission. Carried 4-0.
2. ELIGIBLE AGRICULTURAL PRESERVES LANDS:
Whittaker referred the Council to the zoning Map. All property_.
zoned Ag, except for Ag/CUP, is eligible for:Ag Preserves. He
informed the Council that R-83-24 certifies that lands zoned
Ag on the Zoning Map are eligible for Ag. Preserve designation.
M/S/P Mazzara/Fraser to adopt R-83-24, A Resolution Certifying
Lands Eligible for Agricultural Preserves. Carried 4-0.
By this action, the City Administrator has the authority to
certify Ag zoned property for Ag Preserves.,
There being no additional agenda items until the 7:00 Street Rehabilitation
Hearing, Acting Mayor Morgan recessed the meeting.
Councillor Fraser was excused at 6:50,
Acting P4ayor Morgan reconvened the meeting at 7:00 p.m, and opened the
public hearing on the proposed Street Rehabilitation Program. Morgan
informed the audience that this was a feasibilityr-hearing_to inform
residents what is proposed for their areas and that no project has
been ordered. He then turned the floor over to Engineer Bohrer for his
presentation.
Engineer Bohrer used the Feasibility Study book as the basis of his
presentation. He recapped the proposed rehabilitation areas and reviewed
the problems related to each area. He stated that he did a visual
inspection of all the areas, at the request of the City Council, and
found various phases of deterioration on all the steets recommended for
rehabilitation. He reviewed each area with the proposed improvements
and estimated improvement costs. (All this information is documented
in the "Feasibility Report for 1983 Street Rehabilitation Program -
Commi.ssion No. 7891-01") He then addressed the assessment question.
The present plan is to assess the total costs of the project to the
property owners. Three methods of assessment were suggested: 1. A
front foot charge - property owner would be assessed by the frontage
owned on the street; 2. Unit charge - benefitted property owners in
each particular area would equally share the total cost; 3. Combined
project assessment - all improvement costs for the four areas would be
combined and the assessment equally divided among the benefitted property
owners. (These proposals are further detailed in the Feasibility Study
Book.)
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3. STREET REHABILITATION HEARING:
Council Comments:
--Morgan - asked the Engineer why these streets have reached such
a deteriorated condition,
--Bohrer - not familiar with the conditions under which these streets
were constructed. Jamaca Court was built by the developer with
little City involvement. Examination of the base indicates little
or no gravel under the pavement - all the streets were constructed
with inadequate gravel base, thEnblacktopped - these streets have
seen their serviceable life. If nothing is done to upgrade these
streets they will continue to deteriorate to a point where total
reconstruction will be necessary. The patch and overlay proposal
is believed to be the most cost effective means to solve the problems.
The overlay over the present blacktop is designed after a new
method of paving where no gravel is used, only a thicker layer of
blacktop.
Questions and Answers from the Audience:
Q. What about the grade when water is already running into yards -
area in question is in Tablyn Park?
A. Maximum overlay proposed is 2" - water will spill off the streets
into the yards as it did before,
Q. What would the cost differential be if the project were delayed?
A. Twice as much. Personally walked all the streets in order to
judge the degree of improvement(s) needed.
Q. Is this the extent of all the problem streets in the City,
A. No, these streets were recommended by the Maintenance Foreman,
citizen :callsabout street conditions in particular areas and
the Engineers recommendation based on viewing the streets
for seal coating. The Engineer determined that seal coating
would not help as there is.a strbhgth problem :on these.-
streets.
Q. How long will the overlay last.
A. In general, 10 years.
Q. What is the running foot cost of seal coating?
A. $.40 sq. yd. or $1,00 a running foot.
Q. How have these projects been financed in the past.
A. This is the City`s first rehabilitation project. Total cost
for all proposed streets is $134,000. Construction costs for
Lake Jane Trail were assessed 90% to the property owners with
10o paid by the City,
Q. Is this the normal way to repair a road - when road (Tablyn Park)
went in, property owners paid for it - is this the normal
method of handling repair?
A. This situation is a first - City could not finance $130,000
worth of. improvements - this procedure is not unusual,
Q. Why have the streets is Tablyn Park not been seal coated since
1974?
A. City map indicates these streets were done in 1978 - since that
time it has been determined that seal coating would be ineffective
so it has not been done.
Q. Believe 1974 was the last time these streets were seal coated.
Residents have called every year about when the streets would
be done. Would like a documented answer as to the date these
streets were last seal coated.
A. Before 1979 seal coating was done under Washington County's
Program. Since 1979, the City inspects and seal coats the
streets streets are inspected and checked each year,
AUDIENCE COMMENTS:
--Leroy Leiter, 8110 38th St, N. - questioned assessment method.
Does not believe these streets need to be redone.
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3. STREET REHABILITATION HEARING - CQNTTNUED:
---Helen Fisher, 8139 38th St. N. • lived in the area 28 years,
Opposed the original blacktopping of 38th - do no believe should
have to pay for repair of a street that was forced upon residents
and was poorly done. No traffic on this street - do not feel
it is in a condition that warrants a $1300 per lot assessment.
Opposes the proposal„ - Bordner Gardner Farmettes-
--Gerald Wulfing, 8196 38th St, - If this is done., how will. the
cost be spread out? -Bordner Gardner Farmettes-
A„ City Council. will have to decide, if bonds were purchased,
would likely be a five year minimum pay back,
--Richard. Quinn---:8929 36th St. Ken.ridge Addition - lived at this
location seven years - do not feel bhe street is anywhere near
the condition suggested or in need of the improvement proposed.
Strongly against repairing the road at this time. This is a
dead end road and speeds are minimum,
--Arlyn Christ, 8928 36th St. Kendridge Addition - Read a petition
opposing the proposal and signed by 16 of the 24 property owners
in this addition, Was unable to contact 8 households, but
the petition represents, 2/3 of the homeowners.
-James Kauf_hold, 8780 Ironwood Tr, Tablyn Park -
Q. What happens to the driveways if the pavement .is raised 2"?
A. Blacktop will be thinned out to meet the driveway elevations.
Road will he 2" hiaher than the vards
Q. Many homes..: and driveways are even with or lower than the
existing road. Many of the residents will have water running
into their garages or homes - Also, what about truck traffic,
should the road be improved, that is servicing the new
development to the east - this will just tear up the new road.
A. True the street will be 2" higher - may have to taper the
street at the driveways. Water will run off the road
into the yards because there is no curb or gutter -
This is the way the street was originally designed and
the way the water presently runs. The water will continue
to run as it does now - do not feel it will have any
greater impact than it does now.
The proposed improvement will only strengthen what is
there now. Heavy truck and traffic will only increase -the
present deterioration.
--Lona C, Johnson, 8775 Ironwood Tr. Tablyn Park - lived in this
location when the present road waa constructed. Have a lake in
the front yard because of the design of the road. Existing road
was not a benefit - the proposed improvement will not be a
benefit - feel it will only increase the water problems in her
yard.. Opposes equal distribution of assessment costs - receives
no benefit from the project and has a small parcel. Against project.
--Walt John, 8085 39th St. Bordner Gardner_ Farmettes - No problems
with the street -..one problem area can be patched and seal coated.
Fears taxes will increase - this project will hurt many residents
when it is not necessary.
--George Pletsch, 8685 27th St. Tablyn Park - Objected to the
original street construction, but it was done - only one bad
area. Have not seen much maintenance done on this street -
have not See attempt to patch existing holes. Just need regular
maintenance.
--Helena Soderberg, 8229 38th St. Bordner Gardner Farmettes - road
to her home is fine - notaware of problem areas further down this
road. Opposes any improvement.
CITY COUNCIL MEETING, FEBRUARY 23, 1983
3, STREET REBABILITATION HEARING - CONTINUED:
--Richard Quinn what maintenance is presently being done on
these streets?
Larry Bohrer - City crew can handle two tvpes of street maintenance
jobs - 1, Hole filling with hot tar mixture - have to use a
maintenance truck to pack it down as the City has no roller or
other equipment to cut out bad areas and replace same with new
pavement; and 2, the seal coating program. Seal coating is
only effective to a point - once "alligatoring" of the pavement
begins seal coating will not hold the pieces together. Because
of the condition o.f. these streets, pot hole filling is the only
maintenance proposed. Believe these streets receive the same
amount of attention as any other streets in the City.
--Arlyn Christ - appears to be an overwhelming attitude againt the
proposed rehabilitation - would like to have the City prove that
seal coating will not work, Believes that filling the cracks .in
the pavement will solve the problems. Should wait before ordering
this extensive a project.
--George Pletsch - suggested- contracting out the patching work the
City crew cannot do this would better use citizen tax dollars.
--Walt John - do not believe an overlay would do any good.
--Carl Bagley, Jamaca Ct, given the current pollution problems
caused by the landfill feel dollars would be better spent
toward resolving this problem rather than blacktopping the streets.
Morgan took a poll of the residents:
18 residents from Tablyn Park - none were in favor of the project,
3 residents from Kendridge - none were in favor - petition represented
the majority of this developments residents,
9 residents from Bordner Gardner Farmettes - none were in favor of
the project,
1 resident from Fredrich Heights - opposed the project.
Morgan closed the hearing at 7:55 p.m. Residents were notified that
this will be on the March 1, 1983 Council Agenda.
--Dunn - would like to see a petition from the other three areas,
will not support a project or assessment that is opposed by the
affected property owners.
--Morgan should consider repair of the worst areas and see if'
they can be seal coated, rather than repair the good sections
along with the deteriorated ones,
Mazzara - drove through these areas -feels the majority of :these
streets are in good shape. From what was seen, not sure the
benefits are there.
There being no further discussion Morgan entertained a motion to
adjourn the meeting,
M/S/P Dunn/Mazzara to adjourn the meeting at 8:05 p.m.
RESOLUTIONS: 83-24 - Ag Preserves
R-83-24
RESOLUTION
CITY 0'F LAKE ELMO
WASHINGTON COUNTY, MINNESOTA
RESOLUTION CERTIFYING LANDS ELIGIBLE FOR AGRICULTURAL PRESERVES
WHEREAS, the Metropolitan Agricultural Preserves Act
(Minnesota Statutes 473H.01 et seq:) provides for establishing
Agricultural Preserves; and,
WHEREAS, the Act requires that to be eligible land must be
planned for long-term agricultural use according to the local
comprehensive plan adopted pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 473.851
(et seq.); and,
WHEREAS, the Act further requires such property be zoned for
long-term agricultural use with a maximum residential density not
to exceed one unit per 40 acres; and,
WHEREAS, the City of Lake Elmo has planned and zoned certain
areas as required by the.Act.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that,.
(1). The.City of Lake Elmo hereby certifies that all. of
the areas so marked on the map appended a,re eligible
for designation as agricultural preserves.
(2). Further the clerk shall file a copy of this resolution
with. the Metropolitan Council.
ADOPTED, this the 23rd. day of February, 19'83, by the
City Council, of the City of Lake Elmo.
S I E D : � � • �s+�C�C>
Maynar E er, Mayor
Attest:
Laurence E. W Eta er
City Administrator