HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-04-84 CCMLAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MINUTE
DECEMBER 4, 1984
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The meeting was called to order by Mayor Eder at 7:00 p.m. in the City"'
Council chambers. Present: Dunn, Fraser, Mazzara, Morgan,
Administrator Klaers, Engineer Bohrer, Building Official McNamara.
1. Agenda
M/S/P Fraser/Mazzara - To approve the agenda as amended: Add 4A -
Public Inquiries: Arlyn Christ on behalf of the Jaycees; 4B - Bruce
Kuettner with questions to the Fire Chief; 8A - Fraser; 8B - Eder on
Cable Commission. (Motion carried 5-0).
2. Minutes: November 20, 1984
M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To approve the minutes of the November 20,
1984 City Council meeting as amended. (Motion carried 5-0).
3. Claims
M/ Dunn/ - To approve the claims list excluding 85552 I.C.M.A. 1985
dues for Pat Klaers. (Motion failed for lack of a second).
Dunn stated he would like this item brought up after the first of the
Year before the new Council. He suggested the Council take a look at
the merits of these organizations that we belong to.
Eder pointed out that this membership is part of the Administrator's
contract, and is something that should be addressed at the time the
contract is renegotiated.
M/S/P Fraser/Mazzara - To approve claims 85536 thru 85583 as
presented. (Motion carried 5-0).
Fraser stated that the organizations the City has had memberships in
have been looked at. The City benefits greatly by having the staff
(and in other instances, Council members) participate in and learn
from these various organizations. It is money well spent, and in this
particular case is part of the Administrator's contract which the
Council has agreed to.
Mazzara stated he has no problem with objectively looking at any of
the programs that we have, but the proper time to deal with this
particular program is when the contract is negotiated.
4. Public Inquiries
As Arlyn Christ had asked to appear before the Council, but could not
meet the 7:15 p.m. schedule, the following action was taken.
M/S/P Fraser/Mazzara - To table Public Inquiries until Arlyn Christ
is present. (Motion carried 5-0).
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5. Fire Chief - Fran Pott
A. 1985 Fire Department Officers
B. Fire Department Bylaw Amendments
The Fire Chief advised the Council that at the Annual Fire
Department's Meeting held in November, the following officers were
elected: Chief, Fran Pott; Assistant Chief, Dick Sachs; Captains,
Jim Bjorkman, Bill Eder, Rick Keller, Jim Sachs; Station Captain, Jim
Beers.
The Fire Chief noted that the term of these offices is normally for
one year. However, depending upon what happens with the proposed
bylaw changes, they will either remain at one year terms, or possibly
the Assistant Chief and two of the Captains will be two year terms.
The changes in content of the Fire Department's bylaws consist
basically of setting the number of captains at one captain for every
five members of the department; and elections would generally be two
years with staggered terms, so that the entire group of officers would
not be changed in any one given year.
These bylaw changes are being reviewed by the Bylaw Committee, and
should be before the City Council on December 18th for approval.
M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To approve the 1985 Fire Department officials
elected at the annual fire department meeting: Chief: Fran Pott;
Assistant Chief, Dick Sachs; Captains, Jim Bjorkman, Bill Eder, Rick
Keller, Jim Sachs, Station Captain, Jim Beers. (Motion carried 5-0)
Fraser stated that the former fire chief resigned from the department
in a letter received by the City Council. The City Council has to
approve all new fire department members and resignations. Now that we
are asked to approve these new officers, we should also address the
former fire chiefs resignation.
Pott stated that normally a resignation is directed to the fire
department. In this particular case, it was directed to the Council,
so the fire department didn't take any action.
Fraser stated that since the regulation is in the City Code, a person
wouldn't legally resign until the Council acted on the resignation.
It would also seem to follow that that person's rights to retirement
would still be in effect. Also, a Council should want to look very
carefully at an action that would cut-off a long term members rights
to retirement. Accepting this resignation could be done with a simple
motion, but it is something that should be considered carefully before
making a decision.
This subject will be brought back to the Council on December 18th,
1984 with all pertinent information.
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C. 1985 Grass Rig Capital Outlay
Pott indicated that the Fire Department is ready to move forward with
the grass rig that has been in the capital plan for some time. The
grass rig would replace the existing 1963 Scout that is now being used
for grass fires. The new rig would be a one ton, four wheel drive
pickup with a pump, tank and hose as a separate unit in the bed of the
truck. The tank would hold approximately 200 gallons of water as
opposed to the 100 gallon tank that is on the Scout.
Pott feels that the appropriate way to buy this grass rig is in two
parts. The pickup with radio, lights, siren; and then the slide -in
unit for the bed of the truck. The Fire Department is proposing to
put the specs together for review by the City Engineer and City
Administrator. Bids would then be requested for the truck, and
immediately after that, proceed with the slide -in unit.
Pott sugggested that the Fire Department keep the Scout for one year
because he is unsure of the Capital Improvement Plan for the Fire
Department. The Fire Department's CIP will be reviewed with the
Council's Capital Improvement Committee shortly after the first of the
year. The lights, radio, siren and tank on the Scout may have some
value, but estimates the value of the Scout to be $500 to $600.
$20,000 is in the Capital Improvement Plan for this purchase and Pott
estimates the actual cost will be approximately $17,500.
Bruce Kuettner, 9130 Jamaca Court North stated that plans in the CIP
was for a tanker, not a grass rig. He also asked what the need is in
Lake Elmo for new equipmnet, specifically a grass rig. How much will
it be used, and is the old truck that dilapidated that it can't be
used? The City just spent $1000 for new tires, painting, etc., for
the Scout.
Pott stated that good money has been spent on maintenance, but this is
done with all of the vehicles. We are in a situation where we have
several old vehicles, and we have to come up with some kind of a plan
to upgrade the fleet. There have been two plans - one showing the
tanker being purchased first, and the other showing the grass rig
being purchased first. It is the feeling of the Fire Department that
the grass rig would be most useful. Besides being used for grass
fires (and it is the only unit that the Fire Department can get off
the road with), it is also used as a utility vehicle.
Kuettner stated he has a hard time seeing the relative put down of the
old Scout when it is only used along the railroad tracks. If you
start getting into the bigger vehicles, you will become less
effective. To his recollection, the Scout was only used three or four
times a year for fires, and it does a good job along the railroad
tracks.
Morgan stated that because a great deal of the land in Lake Elmo is
rural, and with the parks where you cannot get in without a four wheel
drive, the need for a reliable off the road vehicle is obviously
greater than the need for an on the road vehicle.
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Kuettner stated that with the proposed grass rig, you will be weighing
down the truck with 250 gallons of water (at 8.3 pounds per gallon)
versus ninety gallons on the Scout.
M/S/P Morgan/Dunn - To instruct the Fire Chief to proceed with
preparing the plans and specifications for the proposed grass rig
which will then be reviewed by the City Administrator and City
Engineer and brought back before the City Council for review. (Motion
carried.-5-0).
Fraser stated that she would like to make some comments and
recommendations to the Fire Chief and Fire Department, the incoming
City Council and makes this statement because of changed
circumstances, and in no way is she looking at any individuals one way
or another...... Many changes have occured in the Fire Department in
the twenty-five years since the department was started. Many new
homes have been built, the population has increased, large
concentrations of people now live at a considerabe distance from the
fire station and some of them may live closer to fire stations outside
of the City. Many of the calls that are now being made are first
response and emergency - over and above the fire calls. Also, the
number of fire fighters has been low in the past year, and this is in
spite of recruiting efforts. It seems that all of these things raise
the question of the current adequacy of the system that we have in
place. She recommended that a major, serious detailed study of our
fire protection and emergency service be made, and that appropriate
steps then be taken as a result of that study. She would like to see
a "citizens commission" a number of people representing different
aspects of the community in terms of geography, interests, etc., make,. -
this study. �_'
6. City Engineer's Report
A. Crombie Simple Lot Subdivision at 8120 DeMontreville
Trail North.
The Council reviewed the recommendation from the Planning Commission,
the revised certificte of survey which shows the location of the house
on parcel A and the well and septic system, as requested by the City
Engineer.
The Engineer stated that he has reviewed the placement of the well and
septic system on parcel A, and neither the well or septic system will
place any restrictions on what is done on parcel Bl.
M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To adopt resolution 84-61 approving the
Crombie simple lot subdivision at 8120 DeMontreville Trail North as
recommended by the Planning Commission contingent upon the applicant
complying with the recommendations of the City Engineer as outlined in
his memo of November 27, 1984. (Motion carried 5-0).
B. Ordinance 7960: Nominal 10 acre subdivisions
The Administrator advised the Council that a public hearing was held
by the Planning Commission on this proposed ordinance on November 26,
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1984. There were no residents present at the public hearing to offer
comments for or against this proposed ordinance.
The Engineer stated that item #6 of the proposed ordinance which reads
"Nominal ten acre parcels -- a ten acre parcel not reduced by more
than ten percent (10%) due to road right-of-way and survey variations"
would not be applicable for corner lots. A 10 acre parcel including
road right-of-way to the center of the road, and on a corner would not
qualify for this "not more than 10% reduction" and quesioned if this
was the intent of the Council.
M/S/P Mazzara/Morgan - To adopt ordinance 7960 amending the Lake Elmo
Municipal Code (page 301-32) to include " Nominal ten acre parcels --
a ten acre parcel not reduced by more than ten percent (10%),,and/or a
ten acre parcel located on a corner or abutting a street on two sides
not reduced by more than fifteen percent (15%) due to road
rights -of -way and section survey variations", as recommended by the
Planning Commisi,on on 11-26-84. (Motion carried 5-0).
C. Letter from Mr. Lawrence Kleis
Mr. Kleis stated that he recently discovered that part of his existing
driveway is on Alvin Schaeffer's propoerty. He proposes to purchase
a strip of property from Mr. Schaeffer to insure access to his
property. Mr. Kleis also asked that the $50 fee normally required,
and the requirements for a simple lot subdivision be waived.
M/S/P Dunn/Morgan - To adopt resolution 84-62 granting a simple lot
( subdivision to Alvin Schaefer which would permit Lawrence Kleis the
option to purchase a tract of land described in the Land Description
For Deed From Alvin Schaefer to Lawrence Kleis as prepared by Bruce A.
Folz & Associates providing permanent legal access to Mr. Kleis's
property; and that the City waive any and all fees and, requirements
which would relate to this simple lot subdivision. (Motion carried
5-0)•
D. MSA - Set date for public hearing for vacation of
right-of-way.
The City Engineer advised the Council that a public hearing is
required to vacate those portions of the existing 45th Street, Julep
Avenue, and 47th Street rights -of -way that are no longer required due
to the new roadway alignment.
M/S/P Morgan/Fraser - To adopt resolution 84-63 calling a public
hearing on December 18, 1984 for the vacation of those portions of the
rights -of -way for 45th Street, Julep Avenue and 47th Street between
Jane Road and Keats Avenue which are no longer needed because of the
new roadway alignment.
E. 201 Update
The Engineer stated that at the last Council meeting, the anticipated
increase costs for the 201 project, both for the construction and the
engineering was reviewed. At that time, it was pointed out that in
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the past the State and Federal grants had been extended in the same
percentages to cover those increased costs. Usually that amendment to
our grant does not take place until after the bids are received;
however, because we have to bond for our interim financing and do
other financial planning, he has asked the MPCA for a preliminary
determination as to whether the grant would be extended to cover the
increased costs. The MPCA has verbally given approval to the City
Administrator that the grant will be amended.
The Engineer further reviewed his letter of November 29, 1984 in which
he addresses the Step 2 Engineering Costs for the 201 Program.
Work for the Step 2 portion of the 201 program is essentially
complete. The only work remaining will be to incorporate any of the
MPCA's suggestions into the plans and specifications based upon their
review.
In October of 1983, TKDA and the City of Lake Elmo entered into an
agreement to provide engineering services for Step 2 work. This
agreement set $103,000 as the maximum cost for the work, subject to
certain adjustments. Based upon the construction cost of $360,000
estimated in the Facilities Plan, the grant allowance the City would
receive for Step 2 work was $22,600. This would leave a cost to the
City for Step 2 work at $80,400 ($103,000 - $22,600).
It appears that the actual cost of completing the Step 2 work with no
increase in fixed fee will be approximately $152,000.
Since the construction cost is now estimated to be approximately
$1,404,000, the Engineer expects that the grant will be amended at the( i
time of bid opening so that the Step 2 allowance that the City will
receive will be approximately $82,150; therefore, the cost to the City
for Step 2 will be substantially less.
The engineering agreement provides that the terms of the original
agreement may be changed by consent of both parties if the level of
work effort required or the cost of the project changes significantly.
Since the City's cost is expected to decrease because of the increased
allowance and since the additional engineering expense is directly
related to the increased project cost, the engineer stated that it
seems fair to ask that TKDA be reimbursed for its additional expenses
out of the additional grant allowance.
The Engineer asked that the City Council move to amend the engineering
agreement at this time but that no additional costs be paid until such
later time when the bids are received and the grant is amended to
adjust the Step 2 allowance. This amendment to the engineering
agreement would allow the engineer to be reimbursed for its additional
cost up to a maximum such that the local share of Step 2 costs (Step 2
costs less grant allowance) does not exceed the originally estimated
local share of $80,400.
Morgan/Fraser - To amend the the agreement for engineering services
between the City of Lake Elmo and the firm of Toltz, King, Duvall,
Anderson & Associates, Incorporated for performance of Step 2
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engineering services related to the proposed wastewater facilities
improvements entered into the 18th day of October, 1983 as outlined in
Amendment No. 4, realizing that no additional costs will be paid to
TKDA until the grant is officially amended. (Motion carried 5-0).
F. Other (None)
4. Public Inquiries (continued)
Arlyn Christ advised the City Council that the Jaycees plan to have a
cross country ski race on January 19, 1985 starting at the Lake Elmo
school and going across the Shiltgen property to Sunfish Park. The
race will be sponsored by the Lake Elmo Jaycees, plus additional
corporate sponsors. The race will take approximately two hours for
everyone to complete. It will be promoted and advertised through
local ski shops and businesses.
Fraser stated that the effect of this ski race would be to attract a
number of additional skiers to Lake Elmo and acquaint them with
Sunfish Park. Do we want to do that? Do we want to set the stage for
increased useage of Sunfish Park by cross country skiers from outside
of this community?
Christ stated that when federal grant money is involved, it is very
difficult to prohibit this.
Fraser stated that there is a big difference between a requirement
that it can't be prohibited by federal grant money and a race that is
geared to attract outsiders.
Dunn asked why we wouldn't want outsiders to know about Sunifish Park.
Lake Elmo residents certainly have used cross country trails outside
of Lake Elmo.
Fraser responded that the level of government that pays for a facility
should be consistant with the level that uses the facility.
Christ stated that this past fall, the North Star Ski Club (with a
membership of approximately 1000) was in Sunfish Park two entire
weekends brushing and grooming the park.
Morgan stated that the Jaycees have certainly been the biggest
contributor to the City Parks outside of the City itself, and being a
frequent and avid cross country skier, he has seen the use of Sunfish
Park go down very substantially in the last four years, mainly because
of the County Park at Pine Point, the State Park at Afton, and all of
the communities that are opening up parks.
The Administrator stated that the staff polled the Parks Commission
members on this proposed race, and none of the eight Commissioner's
contacted had any objection to this request.
Christ stated that someone will be stationed at the entrance to
Sunfish Park advising skiers of the race.
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M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To approve a cross country ski race being
sponsored by the Jaycees on January 19, 1985 which will start at Lake
Elmo Elementary School and end at Sunfish Park. (Motion carried 5-0).
Notice of this race will be published in the City Newsletter.
7. Building Official's Report
A. 1985 Conditional Use Permit Renewals
The Council reviewed the memo from the Building Official in which he
notes that none of the permits have any changes from 1984. He has
made the required inspection of the mining operations and they are in
compliance with the City ordinance. He further noted that during the
past year there have been no complaints received on any of these
CUP's, and recommended approval of all the applications before the
Council.
M/S/P Morgan/Dunn - To accept the Building Official's recommendation
and adopt Resolutions 84-64 thru.84-76 granting Conditional Use
Permits for 1985 to: Goods Inc., Fisher Kennel, Breheim Shetland
Sheepdogs, Animal Inn, Vali-Hi Drive-in, Oakdale Gun Club, Cimarron
Golf Course, Bergmann Berry Farm, Lauseng Stone, Green Acres
Recreational Center, Oakwood Animal Hospital, Shafer Contracting Co.,
and Hammes Mining.
John Anderson, representing the Animal Inn, appeared before the
Council to explain a proposed change in the existing CUP which would
allow for the construcion of a building. The building would. be 8000 /
square feet, and would be located across the parking lot from the main`
kennel. Along with this addition would be a larger parking facility
(to accomodate sixty more cars).
The concensus of the Council is for Mr. Anderson to make application
to amend his present CUP which would state specifically what he
intends to do and would include plans, sketches, etc. This
information will then be brought before the Council for review.
B. 1985 Building Official's Contract
The Council reviewed the Building Official's contract and the proposed
changes that the Building Official requests. The Building Official
has asked for a change in his Fringe Benefits (that the City pay for
dependent coverage); Professional and Development (to include in the
contract allowing yearly attendance at the National ICBO Annual
Business Meeting); and Vehicle Useage (regarding the purchase of an
automobile versus reimbursement for mileage).
It was acknowledged that the Council has already given approval for
the Building Official to attend the 1985 National ICBO Annual Business
Meeting (which will be held in Bloomington, Minnesota).
Eder suggested that the Building Official attend the 1985 conference
and report back to the Council the merits and benefits for attending
future conferences, before making it a permanent part of the contract
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Dunn stated he would like to know how the City of Lake Elmo will
benefit from this, and would like to hear more about the conference
before it is made a permanent part of the Building Official's
contract.
Fraser stated that she would like to see this included in the
contract, so if the decision is made in the future to delete it from
the Building Official's contract, the reasons will be clear. In a
small town, such as Lake Elmo, where there is only one person on a job
as opposed to having several people within a classification where
there is some interchange of professional expertise, it is especially
important to provide an opportunity to meet and talk with ones
colleagues in order to keep abreast of the field, particularly with
rapidly changing times.
Mazzara concurrs with Dunn in that the Building Official's attendance
has already been approved for 1985, and before making this a permanent
part of the contract, the Builing Official should sell the Council on
the merits of attending this conference annually.
Morgan stated he is involved with a lot of professional people and
encourages people to attend conferences such as this. However, it is
not part of their salary - those wishing to attend something like this
have to come in and ask permission each year, and must make a report
and show that it has done some good. He is not opposed to the
Building Official attending these conferences, but feels it is
something that should be negotiated each year.
Morgan further stated in regard to the request for an increase in
Fringe Benefits, that the Building Official's benefits should be
comparable to the other employees in the City. Also, he is not sold
on purchasing a car. There are a lot of questions - maintenance,
insurance, etc., that have to be addressed. However, he is in favor
of what is the most economical and in the best interest of the City.
Mazzara suggested a cost analysis be made before deciding whether or
not to purchase a car.
M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To approve the contract for the Building
Official for 1985 with fringe benefits consistant with other. City
employees; allowing attendance at the 1985 ICBO Annual Business
Meeting, (with future attendance contingent upon review and Council
approval); and mileage paid at the rate of twenty-eight cents per mile
(acknowledging that the Council will review the possibility of leasing
or buying a vehicle when a cost analysis is prepared). (Motion
carried 5-0).
C. Other (None)
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City Council Reports
A. Fraser
Fraser stated that for most of the four years she has been on the Cit
Council, she has been involved in the personnel committee. To her
knowledge, the City does not have a structured, standardized, formal
method which the Administrator uses in evaluating the employees, and
feels it would be well for that to be addressed. Along the same
lines, the Council has never set forth a system for evaluating the
Administrator and thinks that in this day and age that is the sort of
thing that any company ought to have and thinks it would be well if we
do that. With regards to the Administrator, we ought to address more
specifically what jobs to expect the Administrator to do directly,
what jobs do we see delegated, what is appropriate sort of response to
Council requests, so that all the Council members know and the
Administrator knows whats what and how it will be evaluated.
Eder stated this proposal has a good aspect of making sure everyone
knows just what the role and responsibilities of the Administrator
are. This would help evaluate the policies that govern the
responsibilites that the Administrator has. It would be beneficial to
both the Administrator and the Council - to make a fair evaluation and
know what is expected of one versus the other.
B. Eder - Cable Commission
Group W bid to put in cable television in all of the communities that
were part of the Joint Powers Agreement, and they set the date
(January 15, 1985) to have this all done, despite the fact that the c
Joint Powers Commission thought it might take three years. When Group
W wanted to renegotiate the contract earlier this year, they brought
up the subject that they will be late, and that was not allowed to be
part of that negotiation. As a result, they have a request before the
Commission to extend that January 15, 1985 date until November 15,
1985. A recommendation will probably be made to the full Joint Powers
Group by the Executive Committee to continue the process of evaluating
that continuation. That always holds open the possibility that they
can be fined, and the agreement allows for a fine of up to $400 a day
for every day they are late after January 15, 1985. It probably won't
be a reality, but something negotiated. Most of Lake Elmo will be
wired in 1985, the latter part of the completion of the system. Not
all areas in Lake Elmo will be provided cable because there are some
sparsely populated areas. They are having some problems with
Cimarron. The owners of Cimarron don't want them to go into Cimarron,
except if they pay them a fee, so there may be a little hassle.
Cimarron owners want to bring in their own cable, but are not
permitted by law to do this. The Council may want to look at the
development agreement to see if things beyond NSP and Northwestern
Bell are authorized under the original development agreement, as there
may be citizens before the Council putting some pressure to find an
answer to the problem. The problem may be unique to Cimarron because
in multiple dwellings, they do have to go to the owners and get
permission, and the State allows that to be a negotiable item.
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9. City Administrator's Report
A. 1985 Liquor License Renewals
All of the applicants have submitted their applications to renew their
existing licenses. The City has not experienced any problem with
these establishments selling liquor or non -intoxicating malt liquor
this past year. The required bonding and insurance forms have been
submitted, the fees have been paid and the required record check has
been done by the Washington County Sheriff. All inforation is ready
to be forwarded to the State Liquor Commission upon approval of the
City Council.
M/S/P Morgan/Fraser - To approve the following liquor licenses for
1985: VFW Post 5725 - On -Sale and Special Sunday Event License for
November 3, 10, and 17 in 1985; Twin Point Tavern - On -Sale, Off -Sale
and Sunday; Lake Elmo Inn - On -Sale, Off -Sale and Sunday; Tartan
Park - On -Sale and On -Sale Sunday; and to approve the following
non -intoxicating malt liquor licenses for 1985: Brooks Superette -
Off -Sale; Cimarron Park - On -Sale. (Motion carried 5-0)
B. 1984/85 Park Shelter Workers and ice skating schedule.
M/S/P Morgan/Dunn - To hire Shelly Weeks as the 1985 Park Shelter
Supervisor at $3.75 per hour, and to hire Sarah Wacker, Bob Bugbee and
Mike Horning as 1985 Park Shelter Workers at $3.35 per hour. (Motion
carried 5-0).
The consensus of the Council is to accept the recommendation of the
Parks Commission and staff which is that Sundays from 12:00 p.m. to
6:00 p.m. be reserved strictly for open skating and that no hockey,
hockey sticks or hockey pucks be allowed on the rink during this time
frame.
C. Date for first meeting in January, 1985
The first scheduled City Council meeting in January, 1985 falls on a
legal holiday (January 1) and the Council rescheduled January's
meetings as follows:
M/S/P Morgan/Mazzara - To hold the January, 1985 City Council
meetings on the second and fourth Tuesday's (January 8th and 22nd) and
revert back to the regularly scheduled first and third Tuesday's
thereafter. (Motion carried 5-0).
D. Other
The Administrator advised the Council that the person he was going to
interview for the part-time minute taking position withdrew her
application. He asked permission to advertise this position in the
Washington County Review. Consensus of the Council is to advertise in
the Washingtion County Review to fill this position.
The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
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Resolution 84-61 Crombie Simple Lot Subdivision
Resolution 84-62 Schaefer Simple Lot Subdivision
Resolution 84-63 1984 MSA public hearing
Resolution 84-64 thru 84-76 - 1985 CUP'S
Ordinance 7960 - Nominal 10 acre subdivisions
Since we do not have time to discuss every point presented, it may
seem that decisions are preconceived. However, background information
is provided for the City Council on each agenda item in advance from
City Staff and appointed Commissions; and decisions are based on this
information and past experiences. In addition, some items may also
have been discussed at previous Council meetings. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request to
Appear Before the City Council" slip; or, if you came late, raise your
hand to be recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated.
Items requiring excessive time may be continued to another meeting.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL
DECEMBER 4, 1984
7:00 p.m. Meetings Convenes
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: November 20, 1984
3. Claims
7:15 P.M. 4. Public Inquiries
5. Fire Chief - Fran Pott:
A. 1985 Fire Department Officers
B. Relief Association By -Laws
Amendments
C. 1985 Grass Rig Capital Outlay Discussion -
specifications and time frame
6. City Engineer's Report
A. Crombie Simple Lot Subdivision at 8120
DeMontreville Trail North
B. Ordinance 7960: Nominal 10 acre subdivisions
C. Letter from Mr. Laurance Kleis
D. MSA - Set date for public hearing for
vacation of right-of-way
E. 201 Update
F. Other
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7. Building Official's Report
A. 1985 Conditional Use Permit renewals
B. 1985 Building Official's Contract
C. Other
8. City Council Reports
9. City Administrator's Report
A. 1985 Liquor License renewals
B. 1984/85 Park Shelter Workers and
ice skating schedule.
C. Date for first meeting in January, 1985
D. Other
November 30, 1984
To: Lake Elmo City Council
From: Patrick D. Klaers, City Administrator T�
Re: Informational Material for December 4, 1984 Council Meeting
1. Attached for your information is the most recent City
Newsletter dated 11-27-84. This newsletter edition highlights
articles on the 201 Program, the Christmas lights and the water rate
increase and includes a notice for Commission applications.
2. I have been advised by the City Engineer, Larry Bohrer, that
the contractors for the MSA project have returned to the site and
completed the necessary clean-up work, including work to eliminate the
problem indicated by Mr. Friend in his October 16 letter which was
previously distributed to the Council. All parties hope that the work
that was completed will eliminate the erosion problems discussed by
Mr. Friend; but, the real test to see if this problem has been
eliminated will come in the spring when the snow turns to rain.
3• Attached for your information is an article from the
Minnesota Fire Chief magazine of December, 1984. This article
discusses the efforts of Washington County and the Lake Elmo Fire
Department to provide dry hydrants in the Regional Park to assist in
the fire protection of the area. This is just one more example of
City/County cooperation between Lake Elmo and Washington County.
4. At a Council meeting in October, the City was authorized to
obtain some tax forfeit land in the Lake Demontreville area and in
Section 32. The City was under the impression that this land would be
free. The land in the Demontreville area was desired by the City as a
site for a cluster d.rainfield in coordination with the 201 sewer
improvement project. I have been informed by the County that there
are some back taxes due which amount to less than $140 on the parcel
of land in the Lake Demontreville area because of the VBWD 1005
project. I will be sending a letter to VBWD asking that they waive
these back taxes and future taxes on this parcel for the 1005 project.
But, even if they do not waive these back taxes, this land is still
desired by the City and well worth the less than $140 price for back
taxes. Unless I hear otherwise from the City Coucil I will be
informing the County that the City of Lake Elmo still intends to
obtain this land and will be either paying the back taxes or else
obtaining a waiver for this payment from VBWD.
5. Agent of Record and Insurance Bids Attached for your
( information is a letter from the Zignego Insurance Agency explaining
the Agent of Record designation. On the backside of the letter is the
list of the companies Zignego Agency works with. As the letter
indicates, Zignego is formally requesting that we designate their
agency as our agent of record for the eight companies listed.
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Zignego Agency is currently our agent of record only for Cigna
Companies and for the League of Minnesota Cities. An insurance
company will not give out a bid on a insurance specifications to any
company unless they are designated our agent of record. Zignego
Agency is requesting that the City designate them our agent of record
for all their companies in an effort to see if better rates are
possibly available. Neither Zignego Agency or the staff feels that
better rates are likely to happen as the bids for our insurance policy
were taken a number of years ago and Cigna was substantially lower
than any other company. Cigna, which covers our general liablili.ty,
has proven to have the best rates and our good history with this
company has provided us with better rates as time has gone on.
The Agent of Record designation does not in any way affect the rate
provided to the City or a profit for the Agent of Record representing
that company. All insurance companies will give the same bid
regardless who the agent of record is; but, the companies will only
give the bid to the designated Agent of Record. We should give our
local business the opportunity to represent the companies which they
work with. The City has had excellent rates, a good work history and
good service from Zignego and feels that that they should be allowed
to at least explore the possibility of getting lower rates in the
future. The staff, considering our history and the previous bids that
were received, sees no need to go out for revised bids this upcoming
year. If the City Council desires further explanation of the Agent
of Record or the need to solicit insurance bids, I should be notified
and then this can be placed on a future agenda, either on December 18
or in January, 1985. Unless I hear otherwise from the City Council, I
will sign the attached letter designating Zignego Agency, Inc. as the
City's Agent of Record not only for Cigna Companies and the League of
Minnesota Cities, but also for the other six insurance companies that
work with the Zignego Agency.
6. At the November 7, 1984, City Council meeting, the Council
required the posting of a $300 bond to cover the expenses of a
recount, if one was requested. Mayor Eder requested a recount and
posted this bond. The recount was held on Tuesday, November 20, 1984.
The total charges for this recount amounted to $73.20. The staff
feels that it is proper to return the $300 bond to Maynard and obtain
a check of $73.20 from him for the recount costs. The staff will
proceed with this unless I hear otherwise at the 12-4-84 meeting.
7. Attached for your information is page 4 and 5 from the
November 15, 1984 Washington County Park and Open Space meeting . This
attachment discusses the Lake Elmo Park Reserve and its recent and
future activities. These comments should provide the Council with an
up-to-date summary of what has taken place and will be taking place in
the Regional Park. As you can ascertain from the narrative on the
park entrance road, the County has experienced some difficulties with
the Hammes' on this project.
Dorothy Lyons has attempted to discuss with the City Council
at its last two meetings the regional park entrance road from loth
Street to I-94. The discussion of the entrance road in the attached
11-15 minutes relates to the road from loth St. north. In an effort
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to get a clear understanding of what is planned south of loth Street,
the staff has invited Washington County to make a presentation to the
City Council at its 12-18 meeting. Washington County Engineer, Dick
Herold, and the new Public Works Director, Don Wisniewski, will be
present at this 12-•18 meeting at 8:00 p.m. A notice will be sent to
Dorothy Lyons requesting her attendance at this meeting. Hopefully,
this will eliminate the City Council getting caught in a dispute
between the Hammes' and the County.
8. Every year the League of Minnesota Cities offers a conference
for newly elected officials to help orientate them to their new
postiois. Attached foryour information is a flyer discussing the 1985
planned workshop which is scheduled to take place on Saturday,
February 9, 1985, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. in the Holiday Inn in
Bloomington. This is a very good workshop offered by the League of
Cities and the staff strongly recommends that all new Council members
attend this workshop. It would also be a very good refresher for all
of our current Council members. The $40 registration cost is well
worth the price of this introduction to the responsibilities of
elected officials for the entire Council. The 1985 Mayor and City
Council budget catagory includes $500 for conferences and schools so
funds are definitely available for this conference.
9. In October, the staff was requested to advertise for an
individual to assist the City in taking minutes for the Planning
Commission meetings . This was requested by the Council in an effort
to obtain these minutes in a more timely fashion. The staff will be
interviewing Sharyn Coleman on Monday, December 3 for this minute
taking position. Sharyn has been a temporary secretarial/general
office/typist worker for Jean Thorne Temporary Services since 1980.
She is requesting approximately $6.00 per hour for her services. A
recommendation on this position will be presented to the City Council
at its 12-18-84 meeting.
10. Attached for your information is the signed temporary slope
and construction easement from Castle Design . This easement will
allow the City to construct the drainage mprovements on its lots from
April 15 to May 15, 1985. This construction easement and drainage
work is completely seperate from the pending lawsuit and depositions
that are being requested from the City Council. A seperate memo has
been sent to the Council indicating that the date of the depositions
has been requested to be changed to 12-18-84 instead of the planned
12-4-84. Again, if any Council member has a difficulty attending the •.r
executive session at 5:00 p.m. on 12-18 or the depositions beginning
at 5:30 p.m. on 12-18, please notify me as soon as possible.
11. Comparable Worth Attached for your information is a handout
from the MAMA organization on Comparable Worth. This handout gives a
very good explanation of what is being proposed by the MAMA
organization to comply with the Comparable Worth State law. You
should note that they anticipate that the charges to a City the size
of Lake Elmo to be lower than what I indicated at the last City
Council meeting. Also, an excellent explanation of the methodology of
how the "worth" of one employee will be compared to another is
provided.
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This State law may be "a bureaucratic heaven" to some, but the fact of
the matter is that we as a City cannot ignore a State law. This
situation is not unusual where the State or Federal government
mandates a program to be implemented by a City, but, does not supply
funds for implementing such a program. This is a fact of life and
something that we cannot get around. The MAMA proposal is the best
that I have seen offered and I feel it will be the best solution to
achieving an equitable comparable worth program in Lake Elmo. It
will be a professional and objective study that will be personali.lzed
to the needs of Lake Elmo.
This study would keep the City's pay structure in line with the
neighboring cities. As you may recall, there are over 56 cities
already participating in this program and others may join. I don't
think that all 56 cities can be completely wrong about joining in such
a study. Most agencies that have to implement a comparable worth
program are hiring consultants to do their studies. This includes
Washington County, the State of Minnesota and school districts in the
area. Like agencies often combine their efforts to achieve aheconomy
of scale in complying with these types of State laws.
We can follow the State guidelines for comparable worth when they are
completed; but, the State positions do not adequately relate to City
positions especially for a city the size of Lake Elmo. This is the
largest benefit of joining the MAMA study in that our generalist type
workers can get evaluated by the task that they complete. We do not
have the luxury of having a worker specialize in park duties or snow
plowing duties or street repair duites or typing duties or filing
duties. We have employees that are generalists and can do a wide range
of activites. The method of determining the relative worth of one
employee or task to the City versus a completely different employee or
task is the key element in thelaw and the major problem for doing a
comparable worth study in-house without professional, objective
consultation. If need be, we can do a comparable worth study
in-house, but this will open us up to criticism from the employees
affected and the public. The question would be "who does the
comparable worth study and who sets up the standards". Would the City
Council do the comparable worth study or would the Council authorize
me to do such a study? No matter who in-house would do the study it
could be perceived as being a subjective interpretation of what is
being accomplished by the workers in the City. The idea of hiring
consultants to do this comparable worth study is to obtain objectivity
in determining what each employees tasks are worth to the City.
If it is not possible to go with the recommended MAMA program, then we
will obviously do the best we can in-house. I am not sure when a
final decision is going to be required by the MAMA organization to
determine who all is going to be included in the study, but, I will be
attending the 12-4-84 MAMA meeting and keep you informed as
developments take place.
12. Attached for your information is some correspondence received
from Washington County and the Minnesota Department of Transportation
relating to the speed zones on CSAH 17 . The City had requested that a
study be done to determine if some of these zones need to be reduced
in certain areas. As the letter indicates a study was completed and
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it was determined by the State that these zones are appropriate
without any changes.
13. Attached for your information is a public hearing notice fron
the City of Oakdale relating to a minor subdivision request at the
northeast quadrant of I-94 and Highway 5. This quadrant is directly
west of the City of Lake Elmo and may be of interest to the City
Council. This notice is posted on the bulletin board in the entryway.
14. "Better late than never",,,The City has been informed by the
Washington County Sheriff's Department that Mr. Bill Marty (actually
his son) has been issued a ticket for operating a sewer pumping
service within the City of Lake Elmo without a sewer pumpers license.
Mr. Marty will now either plead guilty, obtain a license and pay a
fine, or will plead not guilty and go through the court process.