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AGENDA
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL
AUGUST 19, 1986
7:00 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: August 5, 1986
3. Claims
4. Public Inquiries - Kurt Feil Memo
5. CITY ENGINEER'S REPORT
A. Update on Sealcoat Assessment
B. Additions to the 201 Program, Part D
7:30 p.m. 6. Public Hearing : Variance Request on Maximum
Size of Accessory Structure in the R-R Zone -
Richard and Jackie McNamara, 10321 loth St. N.
7. Request for Variance from Development Moratorium:
Joe Rogers and Brockman Trucking Company
8. PLANNING AND LAND USE
A. Proposed New Future Land Use Map
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9. CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
A. 19 7 Budget Work Meeting
1. Review and Approve Pay Plan
2. Review Preliminary Budget
3. Review Capital Improvement Plans
B. Other
10. Adjourn
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
AUGUST 19, 1986
Mayor Morgan called the City Council meeting to order at 7:04 p.m.
in the City Council chambers. Present: Armstrong, Dunn, Mazzara,
Christ, City Administrator Overby, and City Attorney Knaak.
1. Agenda
Add: 9B. Resolution on Composting, 9C. Comment on Washington
County Bulletin
M/S/P Christ/Dunn - to approve the agenda for the August 19, 1986
City Council meeting as amended. (Motion carried 5-0).
2. Minutes: August 5, 1986
M/S/P Christ/Armstrong - to approve the August 5, 1986 City
Council minutes as amended. (Motion carried 5-0).
3. Claims
Councilman Dunn brought up claim 87662 TKDA-Pass Thru of $407.62.
Dunn referred to a motion from June 3, 1986 minutes stating that
the City should not incur any costs. It was suggested to pay
TKDA and to instruct the City Administrator to check into this as
a pass-thru cost.
M/S/P Dunn/Morgan - to approve the August 19, 1986 claims #87641
thru #87698 as presented, contingent on the City Administrator
checking into the pass-thru costs of Claim #87662. (Motion
carried 5-0).
Councilman Christ referred to Claim #87645 for 14 doors for the
new office at the cost of $1,050.00 and thanked Steve DeLapp for
his efforts in saving the City approximately $4,000 with this
purchase.
4. Public Inquiries
Variance Request to Development Moratorium
Ken Sovereign requested a variance from the Development Moratorium
to allow the City Council to consider his proposal for a Simple
Lot Subdivision at 4415 Olson Lake Trail. His reasons were because
of the new capital gain tax law he will have to sell his property
and with the extension of the Development Moratorium to December
2, 1986, this might cause him to lose the sale this year. This
application was before the Planning Commission on March 10, 1986
and was denied. This request will be put on the August 25, 1986
Planning Commission agenda to determine what impact the proposed
simple lot subdivision and preliminary plat would have upon the
Comprehensive Plan.
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M/S/P Morgan/Dunn - to refer Ken Sovereign's request for a
variance from the Development Moratorium to the Planning
Commission. (Motion carried 5-0).
Fill Policy
Jim Weyer, representing the Lake Jane Association, asked the City
Council to reconsider the policy adopted by the City on August 5,
1986 in providing fill and/or sand to property owners affected by
high water. He based this request on an agreement for an easement
between the City of Lake Elmo and George Hedges which allowed
water to flow into Lake Jane. This agreement terminated on
September 15, 1975. However, the water is still flowing through
this easement and this ditch has never been covered up. The City,
in turn for allowing this easement, agreed to remove water from
Lake Jane by pumping or otherwise. Weyer added that the City has a
moral obligation and commitment to help any property owner
affected by the high water.
Councilman Christ stated that the Maintenance crew cannot afford
the time to spend days hauling fill because the City is not in the
sand hauling business. The City would have to contract with a
private hauler. He further asked why should the City do this
versus the private sector. He expressed concern for all the
people affected by the high water, but questioned as to when does
the City quit and private enterprise take over.
Councilman Dunn explained that this policy was brought about
because of extended discussions and excessive demands for fill
from Legion Pond and not just Lake Jane. If there is an emergency
situation, then it should be brought before the full Council as an
individual case. An open City-wide policy has caused the City to
lose control and people have abused it. Dunn felt that the current
policy is good because the City does have the control.
Mayor Morgan felt uncomfortable with not being in a position to
help and felt that the next eight months are critical. In his
opinion, he felt that it has not gotten out of hand, has been
under the City Engineer's supervision and it is not a significant
amount compared to other City expenditures.
Councilwoman Armstrong stated that the City has helped the people
that needed help and was not in favor of changing the adopted
policy.
Mayor Morgan suggested that the City Council work the problem and
see if a compromise could be made that is more reassuring to the
people and acceptable to the Council.
Reid Park
Susan Weisbrod, 11356 30th St. N, presented her concerns in a
letter regarding the amount of development that is planned for
Reid Park. Her concerns were as follows: development of
ballfields and playground that will draw crowds of people; that if
the ballfields are developed with bleachers, lights will draw
organized teams; that alcoholic beverages are being consumed on
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the park premises, and that 30th Street is so busy that
development of the park will create more traffic and add to the
problem of high speed, non -monitored traffic.
Mayor Morgan assured her that it is a neighborhood park and will
not be highly developed. It should be an asset to the
neighborhood where children can enjoy having a park there. Morgan
suggested that Mrs. Weisbrod express her concerns to and work with
the Park Commission.
5. CITY ENGINEER'S REPORT
A. Update on Sealcoat Assessment
The 1986 Sealcoating Assessment Hearing is scheduled for September
2, 1986. City Engineer Bohrer has received an estimated
construction cost from the County; the actual construction cost
will not be finalized for a few days. The following information
was provided by Bohrer in preparation for the assessment hearing:
Estimated Construction Cost
$34,600.00
Engineering
$ 1,150.00
City Administration (5%)
$ 1,730.00
Subtotal
$37,480.00
Capitalized Interest (10%)
$ 3,748.00
Total Estimated Project Cost
$41,228.00
Ad Valorem Tax (80%)
$32,982.40
Assessment (20%)
$ 8,245.60
Benefitting Parcels
333
Assessment Rate
$ 24.76
B. Additions to the 201 Program, Part D
At the August 5, 1986 Council meeting, the City Council considered
the request of the following seven individuals to be added to the
201 Program.
1.
Loren Johnson,
2.
Bob Mogren,
3.
David Furseth,
4.
Fred Prokosch,
5.
Donny Eliason,
6.
Steve Shanley,
7.
Benjamin Klein,
8460 Deerpond Trail
8738 Lake Jane Trail
8004 50th Street
11240 32nd Street N.
8017 50th Street N.
2797 Legion Avenue
2940 Jamley Avenue
The Council asked that recommendations be brought back to the next
meeting. Two of the criteria to be used in this evaluation is
that there be no delay in the original project and that any
unfunded costs be borne by the individual. City Engineer Bohrer's
review of the possible additions to the 201 Program is in a letter
to the City Council dated August 14, 1986.
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City Engineer Bohrer recommended that Furseth and Shanley be added
to Part D because they cannot upgrade on their own lots, they are
adjacent to planned cluster systems, and there will be no delay to
the project. It was recommended that all other requests be denied
because of the probable delay to the project.
M/S/P Mazzara/Dunn - to accept Larry Bohrer's recommendation to
allow David Furseth, 8004 50th Street, and Steve Shanley, 2797
Legion Avenue to be added to Part D of the 201 Program because
they cannot upgrade on their own lots, they are adjacent to
planned cluster systems, and there will be no delay to the
project. (Motion carried 5-0).
M/S/P Mazzara/Dunn - to accept Larry Bohrer's recommendation that
all other requests be denied because of the probable delay to the
project. (Motion carried 5-0).
6. Public Hearing : Variance Request on Maximum Size of
Accessory tructure in the R-R Zone --
Richard and Jackie McNamara, 10321 loth St. N.
Richard and Jackie McNamara wish to build a 144 foot by 54 foot
addition to their existing barn. The size of the existing barn
(45x35) is 1,575 square feet. The new addition would increase the
total building size by 7,776 square feet to 9,351 feet. Public
notice was duly sent and published.
Mayor Morgan opened up the public hearing at 7:55 p.m.
The building will be metal and used as an arena to work the
animals and for hay and machinery storage. It was suggested that
this would be a fine building to erect, but they would rather see
the McNamara's in Ag zoning. Mrs. McNamara stated they would be
more than happy to apply for Ag zoning, but because of the
Development Moratorium this is not possible.
On the advise of the City Attorney, this variance request would
first need to have a variance from the Development Moratorium.
Mayor Morgan closed the public hearing at 8:10 p.m.
M/S/P Armstrong/Dunn - to refer the request to the Planning
Commission for a variance to the Development Moratorium for an
Accessory Building Size and/or Rezoning to Agricultural to be
considered from Richard and Jackie McNamara. (Motion carred 5-0).
7. Request for Variance from Development Moratorium:
Joe Rogers and Brockman Trucking Company
Representing Joe Rogers, Don Raleigh presented his request for a
variance from the Development Moratorium to allow the Planning
Commission and City Council to consider Mr. Roger's proposal to
rezone a 17 acre tract of land located west of the junction of
State Highway 5 and Stillwater Road to zoning classification
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Industrial or other appropriate zoning classification to permit
Brockman Trucking, Inc. to use the property as a storage site for
UP to 50 truck trailers and to permit construction of a repair
garage building at some future date.
M/S/P Morgan/Armstrong - to refer to the Planning Commission for
consideration of Joe Roger's variance request to the Development
Moratorium. (Motion carried 5-0).
8. PLANNING AND LAND USE
A. Proposed New Future Land Use Map
City Administrator Overby handed out the proposed new Future Land
Use Map and explained that this proposed map has been prepared on
the basis of conclusions reached from the land use inventory. The
purpose of the inventory was to compare the number of existing and
undeveloped housing sites (on lots) to the housing demand over the
next 15 years (1986-2000). The Planning Commission is using the
Metro Council's estimated population figures of 6,100 for 1990 and
6,400 for 2000 as their reference figures.
Based on these population "targets", 200 homes would be needed
between now and the year 2000 to accommodate 600 new persons in
Lake Elmo (assumes average of 3.0 persons per household). The
land use inventory estimates that there are 257 platted lots
already available at this time. This would theoretically be
enough to handle the 15 year demand, however it would make sense
to include the 189 potentially available (undeveloped) lots in the
R-1 zoning district. The new total of 447 housing sites would
theoretically provide for a population increase of 1,338 persons
in the City. This is over twice the projected rate of population
growth (600 new persons in 15 years).
Planning Commission Chairman Chuck Graves commented that the
Commission has not yet taken any action relative to the map. As
to potential lots for development, he questions as much as 10-20%
inaccuracy on the presented numbers. He further explained that
the Planning Commission voted to eliminate the I-94 Overlay
District. He's not saying that the Overlay District as it exists
is the best alternative, but was the best they could come up wih
at the time. He added that the Overlay District did define
several things: defined parameters or guidelines that could be
used when/if development occurs and can be controlled such as
minimum lot size and SAC units, it does serve as a "red flag" to
anyone that wants to come in and put in a development along I-94,
and provides a legally defensible position to accept or rejct
future proposed development. He would like to encourage the City
Council to leave in force the I-94 Overly district that was
accepted in October of 1985.
Planning Commission member Novak summarized that this proposal
includes six times as much acreage for residential units, and over
five times as much business acreage as we need to meet the
population forecast for the year 2000.
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Gene Peltier and Dorothy Lyons commented about the need for the
City to consider and allow them a reasonable use of their land.
Peltier stated that he does not want to see it zoned Agricultural
and asked where is there a market for Agricultural land.
Landowner Don Reagan and other citizens voiced concerns that the
people couldn't live with the plan because it was too vague.
People are not going to risk money to prepare a plan unless you
give them boundaries in which to work. A program should be
devised to include what businesses are compatible along a freeway
and the maximum number of acres and money needed for investment on
a development.
9. CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
A. 1987 Budget Work Meeting
1. Review and Approve Pay Plan
M/S/P Morgan/Armstrong - to approve the proposed pay plan for
budget purposes. (Motion carried 5-0).
2. Review Preliminary Budget
3. Review Capital Improvement Plans
These were handed out and reviewed and will discussed at the next
City Council meeting.
B. Resolution on Composting
M/S/P Morgan/Christ - to adopt Resolution 86-42 in support of
allowing residents of the City of Oakdale to use the Lake Elmo
composting site. (Motion carried 5-0).
C. Comment on the Washington County Bulletin
In regard to a recent Washington County press release which
updated the status of the Lake Jane landfill cleanup efforts,
Mayor Morgan commented on how amazed he was that the County would
issue such a press release. Morgan pointed out that the release
indicates several private wells continue to show evidence of
chemical contamination and he cannot understand how the Counties
can be happy when even a trace still exists.
Councilman Christ reported that the latest round of testing on his
well shows that the level of contamination is higher than it's
ever been. He also felt the Counties should not be happy until
every trace of contaminants is eliminated from each and every
well.
City Administrator Overby also questioned the reasoning which led
to the counties drilling a second gradient control well.
M/S/P Dunn/Morgan - to adjourn the City Council meeting at 10:13
p.m. (Motion carried 5-0).
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