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LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIh MINUTES
MAY 19, 1987
Mayor Arlyn Christ called the City Council meeting to order at 7:00
p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: Christ, Armstrong, Moe,
Graves, Johnson, City Engineer Bohrer, and City Administrator Overby.
1. Agenda
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to approve the agenda for May 19, 1987 City Council
Meeting as presented. (Motion carried 5-0).
2. Minutes: May 5, 1987
M/S/P Johnson/Graves - to approve the May 5, 1987 City Council minutes
as amended. (See Page 8, 7D. Amendment to Conditional Use Permit for
Richard Bergman). (Motion carried 5-0).
3. Claims
M/S/P Armstrong/Johnson - to approve the May 19, 1987 City Council
claims #88762 thru #88813 as presented. (Motion carried 5-0).
4. Landfill Committee Update
In a Landfill update, Dan Novak explained that the legislation was
brought up on Friday, May 15th, and was put to a vote and failed. On
Monday, May 18th, it was put to a verbal vote on the Senate floor and
again failed. Novak was there for the Senate presentation and felt
that Senator Gary Laidig did everything that he could.
Representative Munger's representative Ann Glumac called a meeting
with the Citizens Committee. The MPCA, Metro Council, and Washington
County were also represented. A list of ten issues and questions will
be responded to within 30 days by the MPCA and Metro Council.
An invitation to a Sunday meeting of the Citizens Advisory Committee
will be extended to Zack Hansen. Hansen is heading up the EAW/EIS
process on behalf of Washington County. He will explain the exact
involvement of the Citizens Committee and answer any questions they
might have.
On June 9th at 2:00 p.m. in the Met Council chambers Todd Williams
will present their hydrogeological data to Dick Been's Advisory
Committee.
An invitation has been extended to the Citizens Advisory Committee by
Kim Austrian, Director of the Legislative Commission on Waste
Management, to come before their committee.
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On Tuesday, May 12th, the Citizens Advisory Committee (approx 40-50
people) demonstrated in front of the Senate and House chambers.
Channels 4, 5 and 11 covered this demonstration.
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MINUTES MAY 19, 1987 page 2
Dan Novak reported the current financial situation at $1038.47. This
figure is less that the figure reported at the May 5th City Council
meeting. Dan will check with Linda Ramirez on these figures.
Feelers have been put out for an attorney and quotes will be received.
Todd Williams felt regardless of the respogse from the Met Council and
the MPCA, it is time to take a good long look at what our options are.
They felt the City would do well with professional advice. City
Attorney Knaak has requested that he sit down with the Citizen's
Advisory Committee to determine exactly what their progress has been
on this matter and what role precisely they expect the City to play.
The City Council thought this was an approprate course of action at
this time.
During the summer months, the Citizens Advisory Commiittee meetings
will be held on Sunday at 8:00 p.m. in the City Council chambers.
5. Charitable Gambling License Exemption
The Society of Military Engineers wants to hold a bingo event (approx.
2 1/2 hours) as one of their activities for a gathering of their group
on June 26, 1987 at the Lake Elmo Park Reserve.
Councilwoman Armstrong had talked to the Charitable Gambling Board and
if a non-profit organization has less than five events in a year, they
do not need to get a license. All that is required is a letter
written which includes the details of the event.
In the City's Charitable Gambling ordinance under 1104.020-Charitable
Gambling Permitted, there are typing errors in the Section numbers.
The City Adminstrator will look into this. Also, Bingo is not
specified as an activity.
M/S/P Armstrong/Graves - to take a second look at the Section numbers
listed in 1104.020 in our Charitable Gambling ordinance and make sure
they are correct. (Motion carried 5-0).
6. PLANNING, LAND USE AND ZONING
A. Shoreland Permit: Thomas Brown, 8265 Hidden Bay Ct.
Mr. Thomas Brown, 8265 Hidden Bay Trail, proposes to construct an
addition onto his home which is adjacent to Deer Pond. Shoreland
Regulations apply. The addition consists of a living room on the
upper floor and a recreation room with a whirlpool on the lower floor.
It appers that no variances are required and since no bedrooms are
added, no evaluation of the septic system is required. The DNR had no
objections to this permit application.
City Engineer Bohrer recommended that the Shoreland Permit be granted
because there are no variances required, but the applicant should be
aware that a whirlpool may place an additional load on the drainfield.
M/S/P Moe/Graves - to grant the Shoreland Permit for the proposed
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL MINUTES MAY 19, 1987 page 3
addition to the Thomas Brown residence at 8265 Hidden Bay Trail.
(Motion carried 5-0).
B. PUBLIC HEARING: for variance to setback from NOHW;
Shoreland Permit - Alex and Stephanie Kovalchuk,
2976 Lake Elmo Avenue
Mayor Christ opened up the public hearing at 7:45 p.m. in the City
Council chambers.
Mr. & Mrs. Kovalchuk, 2976 Lake Elmo Avenue, wants to build an
addition to their house on the lakeside of the property which abuts
Lake Elmo.
FINDINGS OF FACT:
1. Public notice was duly published and sent.
2. There was no one to speak for or against the application.
3. That the addition is proposed to be 65 feet from the NOHW
of Lake Elmo (elevation 886) where 100 feet is required.
4. That the existing house is presently about 75 feet from the
NOHW at its closest point and the garage is only about
32 feet from the NOHW. A variance would be required for this
addition.
5. That the addition will be a family room which will not
generate any additional sewage load. The setic system was
replaced under the 201 Program and is adequate for the house.
6. That the floor of the addition will be well above the 100-year
flood elevation.
7. That the hardship is the only workable site is the west or
the south and it appears to be no difference between the two.
This site is the most compatible with the house and the
lay of the lake.
Mr. Kovalchuk felt the site of the addition was the most practical and
.least objectionable. Mrs. Kovalchuk stated that she found it
objectionable for her family of six members to eat at the dining room
table for every meal.
Mayor Christ closed the public hearing at 7:55 p.m.
- City Engieer Bohrer stated thst it appeared from the drawing that the
setbacks would be virtually the same if the addition were made on the
southside or the lake side.
j Mayor Christ pointed out the fact that lake elevation will be
controlled to 884 feet so there will be significantly more lakeshore.
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-�' Councilman Graves felt the hardship was the orientation of the house
doesn't present any preferable or alternative system that would work
any better. An addition is possible on the west side or the south
side. Either way, you will end up with an addition that will be
equally close to the water. This is the only workable situation that
he could see.
Councilwoman Armstrong noted that the Kova,lchuk's are set back on a
bluff and are a distance from the water.
M/S/P Graves/Moe to grant a setback variance to the NOHW requirement
and a shoreland permit to Alex and Stephanie Kovalchuk, 2976 Lake Elmo
Avenue in order to build a family room addition. (Motion carried
5-0).
7. CITY ENGINEER'S REPORT
A. Legion Pond Pumping Alternatives
The City Council at its meeting of May 5, 1987 directed the City
Engineer to investigate the feasibility of using a pump and other
surplus items now owned by the Valley Branch Watershed District to
construct a permanent pumping alternative to lower Legion Pond.
Because it is both the shortest route, and the route with the smallest
hill to pump over, a route over Parcels 0030 (David Gear) and 0220
(Don Klassen) was chosen as being best. The total estimated project
cost is $87,950.00. Permits would be required from the MN Dept. of
Natural Resources, Valley Branch Watershed District and Washington
County Highway Department. MN Dept. of Transportation will have
approval authority on the VBWD permit because of the use of MnDOT pipe
in the downstream system.
Dan Collyard was not in favor of this project because there were no
guarantees. He asked who would pay for the maintenance costs. He
could not see putting this kind of money into the project when there
is not a positive solution.
Judy Toft brought up the point that the people on Lake Jane was able
to use the VBWD pump and asked why should the Legion Pond people have
to pay $9,000 for a pump.
Mrs. William Peterson and Mrs. Thomas Deck stated they would be in
favor of a pumping project.
contin encies from the VBWD 509
Dan Collyard also brought up the fact that the 1-0%P ti3 raeies �t1}U Project
afl+ou-n-t-eta-t-o--S6-;3-0-0- should be used for ommission or errors. He felt
there was an error on the VBWD part by not inluding Legion Pond in the
509 Plan and this money could be requested for a pumping project.
After input and some discussion, the six affected Legion Pond
residents decided they would discuss a pumping project and come up
with an agreement. Then they would get back to the City Council.
It was decided that the City Council and the Legion Pond people would
get on the VBWD agenda for their meeting on Thursday, May 28th and ask
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for funds for a pumping project.
B. MSA Street Project Update
City Engineer Bohrer explained that MnDOT was reluctant to hear the
variance because 43rd St. was not officially on the state aid system.
The Council earlier had decided to apply for the switch in
designation: remove MSA designation from 50th Street and apply it to
43rd Street. City Engineer Bohrer received a letter from Elmer
Morris, District State Aid Engineer, stating that he cannot recommend
for approval the revocation of MSA 104 from 50th Street to 43rd Street
N. because the roadway does not meet criteria for inclusion in the
municipal state -aid system. Bohrer felt strongly that 43rd Street
does meet all the criteria listed in the state rules. Bohrer listed
three alternatives.
1. Bohrer can contact the State Aid Engineer in the
Central office.
2. Could withdraw the variance request at this time
and see if this would change things.
3. Stick with the route we have.
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to direct City Engineer Bohrer to appeal to the
central office the issue of switching state aid designation from 50th
Street N. to 43rd Street N.; and failing all appropriate measures in
this regard, to withdraw the variance requested on the changing of the
speed designation of the corner and pursuing the changing of the
roadways with the elimination of the variance. (Motion carried 5-0).
City Engineer Bohrer explained the reason we are proceeding in this
manner is because the central office said they would keep our
designated time .slot in the variance schedule if we could get all our
paperwork done on the designation.
Mayor Christ expressed Ed Stevens' concern that if the Council should
pave 47th Street, the City would move the route or create barriers to
prevent the removal of some very large oak trees. Christ felt that
removal of the trees would be the very last alternative pursued.
M/S/P Graves/Johnson - to direct the City Engineer to find methods
either by erection of barriers or rerouting the roadway slightly
(bends) in order to avoid having to remove the large oak trees in
front Ed Stevens' property. (Motion carried 5-0).
City Engineer Bohrer stated that when the City feels they want to move
ahead with a project either on 47th by itself or do it in conjunction
with some other segment, the City has to order a feasibility study and
hold a feasibility hearing. During the feasibility study, Bohrer
could compare the two alternatives. The straight road and what impact
that would have as far as right-of-way, trees, cost and everything
involved and the alternative to avoid the trees with guard rails,
curbs or whatever is involved and advise them at the time if these can
be done within the guidelines or if another variance would be needed.
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{ At this time, Bohrer did not know if a variance was needed.
Ed Stevens, 10133 47th Street N., presented slides of his large oak
trees and of other areas in Lake Elmo where streets have been built in
such a fashion as to avoid taking out trees. A petition for
preserving the trees was presented by Mr. Stevens. Stevens obtained
legal advice on whether the trees are on his land or City land. The
answer he received in this case was the public only owns the width of
the street that is in actual use. The trees are on his land and it
would be necessary to condemn his property in order to cut down the
trees and widen the road.
Graves explained the intent of this motion was to initiate activity
and find out what options we have for putting up barriers or rerouting
the roadway. Adop% PP6o(07-�6A) 97-46
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to instruct the City Engineer to prepare a
feasibility report on paving 47th Street N. according to MSA standards
and as a MSA project. (Motion carried 5-0).
C. 201 Project Update
Authorization to Advertise for Bids on Part D
The City has now received authorization from the MPCA to advertise for
bids on Part D. The first advertisement will appear in the legal
newspaper on May 20 and the Construction Bulletin on May 22. A 30-day
advertisement period is required. The Bid Opening has been scheduled
for 1:00 p.m. on June 19, 1987 in the City Hall.
Since time is of the essence in getting the City's grant amended, City
Engineer Bohrer recommended that the Council schedule a special.
meeting on June 22 or 23 to consider the bids.
M/S/P Moe/Graves to hold a special City Council meeting on Monday,
June 22nd at 4:30 in the City Council chambers to consider the bids
.for Part D of the 201 Program. (Motion carried 5-0).
Partial Payment No. 6 to Widmer Inc.
City Engineer Bohrer presented for the Council's review and approval
Estimate and Certificate No. 6 to Widmer, Inc. for $187,895.22. The
money for this payment is available from the County's pooled bond
account. As of this estimate, 100% of the on -site systems have been
installed and are functioning. Only the landscaping remains. The
estimated remaining project cost is $140,000.
- M/S/P Armstrong/Moe - to approve Partial Payment No. 6 for $187,895.22
to Widmer, Inc. for work done on Parts A-B-C of the 201 Program.
,(Motion carried 5-0).
D. Escrow Reduction - Lake Elmo Heights
City Engineer Bohrer reported that the street construction and
drainage work for Lake Elmo Heights Addition is complete. The only
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work remaining is boulevard seeding and cleanup. The developer has
asked that the escrow letter of credit be reduced to $500. City
Engineer Bohrer concurred with this request, but recommended that the
escrow release should be made contingent upon paying any outstanding
pass -through costs.
The status of the escrow is as follows:
- Original Letter of Credit - June,
1986
$
54,600
Partial Release No. 1 - July 15,
1986
$
27,600
Amount of this Request - May 13,
1987
$
26,500
Remaining Escrow Balance
$
500
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to approve a partial
release
of
the escrow letter
of credit for Lake Elmo Heights First Addition
to a
balance of $500;
contingent upon paying any outstanding
pass -through
costs. (Motion
carried 5-0).
E. Final Acceptance of Plat Improvements and. Escrow Release -
Teal Pass Estates
On May 12, 1987 City Engineer Bohrer made a final inspection within
Teal Pass Estates 3rd Addition. Bohrer reported in his letter of May
13, 1987 that he found them complete and ready for final acceptance.
As -built plans have been provided. All requirements of the
Developer's Agreement have been fulfilled.
City Engineer Bohrer recommended that the City Council make final
acceptance of the improvements and release of the remaining $2,000
escrow balance, contingent upon paying any outstanding pass -through
costs. The one year warranty period on the improvements begins with
this final acceptance.
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to approve the final acceptance of improvements
within Teal Pass Estates 3rd Addition, and approve release of the
remaining $2,000 escrow balance contingent upon paying any outstanding
pass-thru costs. (Motion carried 5-0).
8. CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
A. County Guidelines for Advisory Committees,
Commission, Boards
In Sally Evert's letter of April 17, 1987 she explained that the
Washington County Board is considering an amendment to its Guidelines
for committee member terms. The proposed amendment would limit a
commission member to not more than two consecutive full terms. After
a 1-year interval, that person could be eligible to serve again up to
two full terms.
r-i The consensus of the City Council was to advise the County Board that
the local units of government be consulted when a member's term of
office is coming up for renewal. At that time, any concerns from the
areas that are represented by the member can be presented to the
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( County Board to consider in deciding whether or not to re -appoint the
member. This process retains qualified, experienced people who know
what the local needs and concerns rather than bringing in new people
just because a time deadline has been reached.
M/S/P Moe/Armstrong - to direct the City Administrator to write a
letter to the county board stating the Council's position that the
guidelines not be amended. (Motion carried 5-0).
B. City Representative to Metro East Board of Directors
A letter of April 16, 1987 from the St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce
contains a request for the City to designate a repesentative to serve
as a member of the Metro East Coalition Board of Directors. The letter
also asks for a financial contribution or a letter of commitment. The
letter and information on the coalition organizational structure,
marketing plan, operational plan and fund raising program were
presented to the City Council.
Mayor Christ will be attending the Thursday morning meeting and will
get more information on the Metro East program before a decision is
made on who would represent the City of Lake Elmo on the Metro East
Board of Directors. Any new information will be copied and sent to
the City Council.
C. League of Minnesota Cities Conference
The annual League of Cities Conference is scheduled to be held in
Rochester, MN on June 9, 10, 11 & 12. City Administrator Overby would
like to attend three days of the conference (June 9th evening, June
10th and 11th all day). This would require two nights lodging expense
($80) in addition to the conference fee ($130) for a total of $210,
plus mileage to and from Rochester.
M/S/P Armstrong/Graves - to authorize the City Administrator's
attendance at the 1987 League of Minnesota Cities Conference, June 9,
10, 11 in Rochester, Minnesota. (Motion carried 5-0).
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to adjourn the City Council meeting at 9:30 p.m.
(Motion carried 5-0).
Since we do not have time to discuss every point presented, it may
seem that decisions are preconceived. However, background
information is provided for the City Council on each agenda item in
advance from City Staff and appointed Commissions; and decisions
are based on this information and past experiences. In addition,
some items may also have been discussed at previous Council
meetings. If you are aware of information that hasn't been
discussed, please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the City
Council" slip; or, if you came late, raise your hand to be
recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated. Items
requiring excessive time may be continued to another meeting.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO CITY COUNCIL
MAY 19, 1987
7:00 p.m. Meetings Convenes
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: May 5, 1987
3. Claims
7:05 p.m. 4. Landfill Committee Update
7:15 p.m. 5. Charitable Gambling License Exception
6. Planning, Land Use and Zoning
7:20 p.m. A. Shoreland Permit: Thomas Brown, 8265
Hidden Bay Ct.
7:45 p.m. B. Public Hearing for variance to setback
from NOHW; Shoreland Permit - Alex and
Stephanie Kovalchuk, 2976 Lake Elmo Ave.
7. -City
Engineer's Report
8:15
p.m.
A.
Legion Pond Pumping
Alternatives
8:45
p.m.
B.
MSA Street Project
Update
9:00
p.m.
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9:10
P.M.
C.
201 Project Update
9:20
p.m.
D.
Escrow Reduction -
Lake Elmo Heights
9:2.5
p.m.
E.
Final Acceptance of
Plat Improvements
and Escrow Release - Teal Pass Estates
(Over)
Lake Elmo City Council Agenda May 19, 1987 Page 2
8. City Administrator's Report
9:30 p.m. A. County Guidelines for Advisory Committees,
Commission, Boards
B. City Representative to Metro East Board
of Directors
C. League of Minnesota Cities Conference
D. Other
9. Adjourn