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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-31-89 CCMCITY OF LAKE ELMO g_ City o®$ Lake Elmo 777-5510 3800 Laverne Avenue North / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 NOTICE OF SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP DATE: Wednesday, May 31, 1989 TIME: 7:00 p.m. PLACE: Lake Elmo Citv Council Chambers SUBJECT: Meeting with Roger Williams, State Planning Agency Posted: May 23, 2989 To Press: May 23, 1989 Dated.: May 23, 1989 Extract of Special Council Workshop, PPROW May 37ry;•1989; 7:-00-p;;:m.... Present: Mayor Dunn, Councilmembers Graves, Hunt, Moe and Williams. Also present: Roger Williams, State Planning Agency, Nancy Welsh, Director of State Mediation Services and City Administrator, Patricia Morrison. Mr. Williams and Ms. Welsch outlined their background and area of expertise, described the facilitator/mediator services they could offer, and the pur- pose of this meeting with the Council. Williams asked if the Council desired to proceed with this process. Mayor Dunn: Supported the process. Councilman Graves: Worthwhile technique to explore and see if there are areas of common concern. Councilman Moe: In favor of mediation process. Councilman Williams: In favor of sitting down with Oakd.a.le; at this point not sure if willing topaya lot of money to a mediator; believe Oakdale and Lake Elmo could hash out a lot before mediator needed. Councilman Hunt: What level of mediation is needed; should we involve affected property owners also, and at what point; believe we would win in court, but if we can work with landowners, would be better. Welsh: Advised. her cost was $125/hr (Roger Williams at no cost), which would be devided equally between Oakdale and Lake Elmo; anticipate this process should take no more than 20 hours. Would like to see two meetings and then determine if process was viable. R.Williams: Suggested one meeting between property owners and Lake Elmo Council, and then a meeting between Lake Elmo and Oakdale Councils, Oakdale wants property owners to be heard, Graves: Need to determine our objective and look at agenda for discussion. Dunn: Interested in entire border of Lake Elmo. R.Williams: Believe Oakdale wants to know if you are proactive in seeing Section 32 developed; they are looking at cooperative arrangement for development; wants to stabalize borders. Hunt: Sit down with Oakdale and see what areas they want to talk about; come up with list if issues. Welsh: Representative Council group could get together to set forth Section 32/33 issues. Dunn,Graves,Hunt advised they would be interested in serving in this capacity; discussion of need to comply with Open Meeting Law. Graves: Have no interest in sitting down with Oakdale and drawing a line to change borders;no intention of creating new borders; residents have to be involved; retaining the integrity of our municipa7border is my prime.concern; believe main issue to be resolved is between residents of Lake Elmo and the City, talking with Oakdale is secondary; will look at Joint Powers activities in connection with sewer and water services (gave examples). R.Williams: Believe Oakdale is looking, for a policy statement; who pays for what and who gets what out of it. Council Workshop May 31.,1989 Page Two Dunn: Have not received a development plan for this area in last 15 years; property owners should have^$- i%E lion mind. Graves: Property owners have told us nothing will happen there until City facilities are there and what is City going to do to put facilities in; response from Lake Elmo was bring in plan and show us the need; people felt they received no response from Laek Elmo and therefore had no options. Welsh: What do you need to hear from property owners. Graves: Our City Planner talked to them; property owners were suspicious; we need to have concrete plan; we need agreement between City and property owners; City needs to take concrete steps. Dunn: There are some differences in development philosophies between Council members. Hunt: Discussed planners interviews with property owners and advised the City's financial consultant will be submitting financial options to the City for construction of sewer and water. T.Williams: Maybe first step, prior to meeting with property owners, is for City of Lake Elmo to sit down and say what they want; may not be essential to have a unanimous decision of what we want; we have to look at figures and try and decide next step. ,Graves: Option may be for Oakdale to put in trunk line from the north'to south. R.Williams: You may need to decide what kind of development you want; set certain development criteria and standards; appears to be some major philosophical differences as to how to deal with land. Hunt: We have discussed an urban services district for Section 32. Dunn: Need to protect wetland areas there and make sure area developed properly. Welsh: Should determine next step, or series of steps; who would. repre- sent Council that all Council members feel comfortable with and trust as representative of the Council; should Council meet with property owners before financial plans in place; any joint venture possible with Oakdale. Hunt: Would like to have couple of Council members as representatives with a regular update to full Council; will take flexability on all of our parts; thought we decided we needed to develop this area; would like to work with property owners to find out what's acceptable to them; believe we should invite them into process after financial consultant review. Discussion ensued as to why both Roger and Nancy needed in process. T.Williams: Hope we come out of this with stable borders. Need report back fnom financial planner. Believe property owners and City representatives can meet without additional cost to the City; hate to keep throwing good money after bad. Graves: Don't think processes we have engaged in to date have been productive. Moe: Don't know how much time we have; believe it is this or litigation; I would be more willing to spend it now. Council Workshop May 31, 1989 Page Three MOTION by Moe, seconded by Graves, to hire mediators,;.Roget Williams and Nancy Welsh, to hire mediators to set up meeting with property owners to get their view for a maximum time period of four (4) hours. T.Williams: Will property owners assume soma of th6 costs/ R,Williams: We can bring this up to them when we meet with them. MOTION TO AMEND by Graves, seconded by Hunt, to'split costs of mediation services 50/50 with property woners. Ayes: 4 Nays: 1 (Williams) ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED: Ayes: 4 Nays: 1 (Williams: I do not want to commit City financially at this point) Administrator to give list of all Section 32 property owners to Roger Williams/Nancy Welsh, indicating key persons, Amended June 6 1989_ Addition_of statement: Todd Wi'liams: He was interested in talking to property owners, but felt we have not followed all avenues available at no costa ADJOURN: 8:15 P.M.