HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-28-75 PZMCITY OF LAKE ELMO
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF APRIL 28TH 1975
Meeting called to order at 7:45 by Chairman Johnson
PRESENT: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace, Lundquist, Novak
Sovereign and Armstrong.
JERRY BELL Mr. Jerry Bell of the Metro Council Planning Staff discussed
various aspects of development and procedures with the PZC.
A meeting will be held on May 14th regarding the Lake Elmo
sewer plans. Ray Payne is the engineer in charge at the WCC
Telephone 222-8423. Bell said that the Metro Council has no
position on airport expansion. Mr. Casey is the Planner and
will be putting information together concerning the Airport.
Casey is with the Transportation Section.
The strategy of handling PUD might be aided by a contract with the
developer. Such things as the costs for collector streets and bring-
ing sewers to the site can be covered. Other methods are conditional
use permits, very detailed plans, zoning and special use permits.
Any Contract can be for a term of years and there should be a lapse
of zoning if the project is not started within a specified period.
The Contract would be tied to the land and not to the owner.
Any zoning change in Lake Elmo must have Public Hearing. The best
formula for determining cost/benefit for collector streets was
worked out by Bonestroo and should be incorporated into any Contract.
The four branches of the Metro Council are:
1. Waste Control Commission
2. Open Space Commission
3. Airports Commission
4. Transportation Commission
John Rutford is the "King of Referals"
GHALEB Transportation Planner for the Metro Council. The future development
ABDULRAHMAN of roads in Lake Elmo was discussed in detail Mr. Abdulrahman had
a conversation with Swanson concerning County Rd 80, 19 and 15.
Main problem is where will 1-94 go. The planning of interchanges at
80 & 19 should be taken one at a time when development comes.
The interchange at Helmo and the desire of Woodbury to have 12 go
into 94 creates problems which might make the southern route the best.
Why have 19 interchange when loth St., 80 and 212 will go to the park?
10th St. will be four lanes and is scheduled for 1978. 19 will not
go beyond 212. In 1976, the construction of 19 from 12 to loth St.
is planned. In any route a cost -benefit analysis must show the need.
The outerbelt freeway will never happen. 15 will be a maximum of four
lanes, but never freeway. The era of the freeway is over. The
population estimates of five years ago were too high.
Developers should consider more than the land itself. The sewer
capacity may not be there for 3M, Dayton -Hudson and Colby Lake.
At 212-694 there is space reserved for a full interchange. 212 will
not go through to St. Paul unless it is along the RR right-of-way.
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 28TH 1975.
Lake Elmo should reserve right-of-way for a major north -south
route. The map of August 1974 is logical. Abdulrahman was against
a full interchange at Minnehaha (10th St.). There is no need'at
this time. A half diamond at 694 and 40th would be against the
policy of the TC, but.... maybe it would be possible.
EDER The SW corner of Gov't Lot Four (4) has been changed by the surveyor.
PLATTING The property lines have moved three feet east and 12 feet south. The
lots are the same size or larger. PZC is requested to exempt the
Berchens property from the platting requirements as to this change
in the present plat. The changes are due solely to the change in the
monument. Parties involved are: Otto and Marianne Mayer, Maynard
and Marlene Eder, Edmund and Shirley Slinde, and John and Janet
Berchens. The Olinger Plat to the west was also discussed. Johnson
expressed concern that one of the lots in the Berchens plat was not
buildable. Information was requested as to that lot. No action was
taken.
DAVE LICHT Mr. Licht presented the redraft of the Land Use Goals and they were
discussed in detail and changes noted on Licht's copy and copies of
the PZC members. Mr. Lemberg of the Bonestroo firm was present.
MOTION by Williams
The PZC requests the Council to authorize the City Engineer to review
the the goals and standards proposed in the letter from Midwest
Planning dealing with Transportation, community facilities and
Utilities.
SECOND by Grace
VOTE All in favor motion carried.
ROAD PLANS The PZC requests that the Council act on the Road Planning motions of
the March 24th PZC Meeting.
AIRPORT The Williams Airport, Motion will be continued until after the Public
meeting set for May lst.
MOTION by Williams to continue his airport motion until next meeting.
SECOND by Novak
VOTE All in favor motion carried.
LOESCHER This matter is carried over until the next meeting. The PZC is still
waiting for a written opinion from the City Attorney.
MAY MEETING The second meeting in May will be held on Tuesday the 27th because of
the holiday.
ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned on April 29th 1975 at 12:14 A.M.
THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS MAY 13TH TUESDAY AT 7:30 P.M.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
) 1V`
Thomas G. Armstrong
Secretary
AGENDA --•PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF LAKE ELMO, MINN. 55042
MEETING TO BE HELD MONDAY, APRIL 28, 1975.
7:30 P.M.
7:45 P.M.
8:45 P.M.
9:00 P.M.
Roll Call
Approval of Minutes
Jerry Bell
Ghaleb Abdulrahman
Metro Planning Staff
Bruce Abercrombie
Platting of Berschens Property
Olinger Plat
Dave Licht -- Barbara Gilbertson
Midwest Planning.
Finalize Planning Inventory
Review revised Goals & Policies
ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION:
Continuation of tabled resolution by T. Williams on the
Lake Elmo Airport expansion.
Loesch File
Dates of Upcoming Meetings:
April 30th.-- 7:30 P.M. at Oakdale City Hall
Oakdale and. Lake Elmo Joint Council Meeting.
Subject: 3M Development
K-Wart Development on 10th. St.
( County Road 80 )
May 1st. 7:30 P.M. at Lake Elmo Elementary School
Hearing: Proposed Lake Elmo Airport Expansion
May 8th. 7:30 P.M. at the Highway Building --(Hadley Ave.)
1-94 --Informal presentation of all information
collected to date.
May 14th.--• Oakland Jr. High -- (evening meeting)
Hearing on Lake Elmo -- Tri-Lakes Sewer Interceptor
Alternates.
CITY OF LAKE ELMO
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF APRIL 28TH 1975
Meeting called to order at 7:45 by Chairman Johnson
PRESENT: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace, Lundquist, Novak
Sovereign and Armstrong.
JERRY BELL Mr. Jerry Bell of the Metro Council Planning Staff discussed
various aspects of development and procedures with the PZC.
A meeting will be held on May 14th regarding the Lake Elmo
sewer plans. Ray Payne is the engineer in charge at the WCC
Telephone 222-8423. Bell said that the Metro Council has no
position on airport expansion. Mr. Casey is the Planner and
will be putting information together concerning the Airport.
Casey is with the Transportation Section.
The strategy of handling PUD might be aided by a contract with the
developer. Such things as the costs for collector streets and bring-
ing sewers to the site can be covered. Other methods are conditional
use permits, very detailed plans, zoning and special use permits.
Any Contract can be for a term of years and there should be a lapse
of zoning if the project is not started within a specified period.
The Contract would be tied to the land and not to the owner.
Any zoning change in Lake Elmo must have Public Hearing. The best
formula for determining cost/benefit for collector streets was
worked out by Bonestroo and should be incorporated into any Contract.
The four branches of the Metro Council are:
1. Waste Control Commission
2. Open Space Commission
3. Airports Commission
4. Transportation Commission
John Rutford is the "King of Referals"
GHALEB Transportation Planner for the Metro Council. The future development
ABDULRAHMAN of roads in Lake Elmo was discussed in detail. Mr. Abdulrahman had
a conversation with Swanson concerning County Rd 80, 19 and 15.
Main problem is where will I-94 go. The planning of interchanges at
80 & 19 should be taken one at a time when development comes.
The interchange at Helmo and the desire of Woodbury to have 12 go
into 94 creates problems which might make the southern route the best.
Why have 19 interchange when loth St., 80 and 212 will go to the park?
loth St. will be four lanes and is scheduled for 1978. 19 will not
go beyond 212. In 1976, the construction of 19 from 12 to loth St.
is planned. In any route a cost -benefit analysis must show the need.
The outerbelt freeway will never happen. 15 will be a maximum of four
lanes, but never freeway. The era of the freeway is over. The
population estimates of five years ago were too high.
Developers should consider more than the land itself. The sewer
capacity may not be there for 3M, Dayton -Hudson and Colby Lake.
At 212-694 there is space reserved for a full interchange. 212 will
not go through to St. Paul unless it is along the RR right-of-way.
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 28TH 1975.
Lake Elmo should reserve right-of-way for a major north -south
route. The map of August 1974 is logical. Abdulrahman was against
a full interchange at Minnehaha (10th St.). There is no need at
this time. A half diamond at 694 and 40th would be against the
policy of the TC, but.... maybe it would be possible.
EDER The SW corner of Gov't Lot Four (4) has been changed by the surveyor.
PLATTING The property lines have moved three feet east and 12 feet south. The
lots are the same size or larger. PZC is requested to exempt the
Berchens property from the platting requirements as to this change
in the present plat. The changes are due solely to the change in the
monument. Parties involved are: Otto and Marianne Mayer, Maynard
and Marlene Eder, Edmund and Shirley Slinde, and John and Janet
Berchens. The Olinger Plat to the west was also discussed. Johnson
expressed concern that one of the lots in the Berchens plat was not
buildable. Information was requested as to that lot. No action was
taken.
DAVE LICHT Mr. Licht presented the redraft of the Land Use Goals and they were
discussed in detail and changes noted on Licht's copy and copies of
the PZG members. Mr. Lemberg of the Bonestroo firm was present.
MOTION by Williams
The PZC requests the Council to authorize the City Engineer to review
the the goals and standards proposed in the letter from Midwest
Planning dealing with Transportation, community facilities and
Utilities.
SECOND by Grace
VOTE All in favor motion carried.
ROAD PLANS The PZC requests that the Council act on the Road Planning motions of
the March 24th PZC Meeting.
AIRPORT The Williams Airport Motion will be continued until after the Public
meeting set for May lst.
MOTION by Williams to continue his airport motion until next meeting.
SECOND by Novak
VOTE All in favor motion carried.
LOESCHER This matter is carried over until the next meeting. The PZC is still
waiting for a written opinion from the City Attorney.
MAY MEETING The second meeting in May will be held on Tuesday the 27th because of
the holiday.
ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned on April 29th 1975 at 12:14 A.M.
THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS MAY 13TH TUESDAY AT 7:30 P.M.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Thomas G. Armstrong
Secretary