HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-14-75 PZMAGENDA--PLANNING-ZONING COMMISSION
CITY OF LARE ELMO, MINN. 55042
MEETING TO BE HELD TUESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 1975.
7:30 P.M. -- Roll Call
7:45 P.M. Hearing--Berschens Shores, 2nd. Addition
Approval of Preliminary Plan.
8:00 P.M. Hearing--- Parranto Bros.
Application for PUD.
8:45 P.M. Washington 37-Willard Morton Application
Review any new information as requested
at hearing on September 22nd.
9:00 P.M. Review of rough draft of Comprehensive
Plan-- Midwest Planning.
10:00 P.M. -- Discussion Period of PZC Members
ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION:
1976 Planning Budget
Regional Park
Proposed Lake Elmo Road Plan
PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS PLEASE NOTE:
Special Meeting with City Council on Wednesday, October 15,
1975 at the City Hall, at 7:00 P.M., for the sole purpose of
discussing the Comprehensive Plan.
CITY OF LAKE ELMO
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 14, 1975
Meeting called to order at 7:40 p.m. by Chairman Johnson.
PRESENT: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace, Lundquist,
Novak, Armstrong, Sovereign.
MINUTES: MOTION by Novak
That the Minutes of the meeting of September 22 be
approved with the following amendments:
1. At Page 3, PUBLIC HEARING WASHINGTON 37 AND WILLARD
MORTON, change "Peltier property" to read "Parranto
I-94 Corridor PUD (Peltier property)".
2. At Page 4, PUBLIC HEARING WASHINGTON 37 AND WILLARD
MORTON, change "SECOND by Grace" to read "SECOND by
Sovereign".
3. At Page 4, 3M, Line 3, change "Plan to" to read "Plan
to accommodate 3M development to".
4. At Page 5, BUDGET, after the end of the last sentence,
add: "Councilman Abercrombie agreed to have the in-
formation before the next PZC meeting on October 14".
SECOND by Williams.
VOTE In favor: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Novak, Armstrong.
Abstain: Froehner. Absent: Lundquist, Grace, Sovereign.
BERSCHENS Bruce Folz explained a plat of the changes to Berschens
SHORES 2nd Shores 2nd Addition. There are four lots in question and
ADDITION the smallest is 1.05 acres and the largest one is 1.66 acres.
Williams urged that the PZC not recommend approval until
re -subdivision lines are put in to the plat. This is required
in the Subdivision Code 4(d)(3), page 11. Folz then drew
lines in for a proposed re -subdivision. The third
lot is almost impossible to re -subdivide and there are
questions as to whether Lot 4 is a buildable lot. There is
a 24-foot easement over the eastern portion of Lot 3.
James Friend questioned which lot the Wausau had been built
on. Folz answered that this was on the lot to the east of
the present plat and not on the plat itself. The public
hearing was closed at 8:12 p.m. The following people were
present:
Mrs. Wm. Hammes, 10112 loth St. No., Lake Elmo, MN
Jim Friend, 9498 Jane Road, Lake Elmo, MN
Patricia Iverson, 9322 Lake Jane Trail No., Lake Elmo, MN
Harold Iverson, 9322 Lake Jane Trail No., Lake Elmo, MN
Akira. Frijohn, 9366 Lake Jane Trail, Lake Elmo, MN
Stelios Aslanidis, 2614 Nicollet Ave. So., Minneapolis, MN
CEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 14, 1975 Page 2
PARRANTO I-94
CORRIDOR PUD
Mr. Stelios Aslanidis made a presentation of various maps
and proposed usages of this property. The property was
formerly owned by the Peltier family and consists of two
80-acre parcels, 1/4 mile wide and one mile long. The
proposed land division with I-94 on the northern route
would be as follows:
Right-of-way
Residential -
high density
Commercial
Industrial
Open Space
With I-94 alignment on
would be as follows;
Right-of-way
Residential -
high density
Commercial
Industrial
Open Space
Acres Percentage
25.66 16.03
26.25 16.40
35.88 22.42
52.48 32.80
19.73 12.33
its present route, the acreage
Acres Percentage
20.41 12.75
26.25
42.47
51.85
19.04
16.40
26.54
32.40
11.90
Jack Page, a member of the Oakdale Gun Club, stated that
the Club owns 40 acres directly to the north of the site
on the northside of 10th Street. The grounds are used
for target practice by members of the Club and also from
time to time used by the National Guard and Military Reserves
for target practice. He stated that they have had their
facility there for some time and he didn't want later
residents who would be living in this development complain-
ing about the shooting facility. He stated that they were
there first.
MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 14, 1975 Page 3
PARRANTO I-94
CORRIDOR PUD
(Continued)
Fred Croft of St. Paul stated he is also a member of the
Gun Club. The property is located in the SE 1/4 of the
SE 1/4, Section 26. The shooting is from 8:00 in the
morning until 30 minutes before dark. The Club is open
for shooting 365 days a year but the busiest times are
June through November when 90% of the shooting takes place.
The Club has a special use permit which is renewed yearly.
He indicated that the Club is very much interested in
continuing to use its property and does not desire to
see complaints from future residents.
Dick Stockstead of Finneman"s Enterprises stated that his
corporation owns the north 110 acres of the NE 1/4 of
Section 35 and he asked additional questions concerning
proposed use of the development and its -effect on the
Finneman property.
William Hammes, Sr. said that residential uses should not
be allowed next to the Interstate highway. People do not
desire to live next to a freeway.
The hearing was closed at 9:05 p.m. The following people
were present:
Wm. E. Hammes, Jr.
William E. Hammes,
Helena M. Hammes,
Fred W. Croft, Jr.
Jack Page, 1125 W.
J. R. Stockstead,
, 10105 loth St. No., Lake Elmo, MN
10105 loth St. No., Lake Elmo, MN
10112 loth St. No., Lake Elmo, MN
, 1015 W. Iowa Ave., St. Paul, MN 55117
Roselawn, Roseville, MN 55113
2954 Rice St., St. Paul, MN 55113
WASHINGTON 37 Williams questioned the September 5 letter from Midwest
AND Planning. On Page 3, Section D, a comment was made con-
WILLARD MORTON cerning the commercial center on the southeast
corner of the intersection of County Road 70 and 17.
This area is zoned RB. Sovereign and Lyons stated that
Cimmaron already had approval for a small store
complex but has done nothing to build at this point.
Barbara Seness of Midwest Planning said that the major
issue is sewer availability and that the proposal is
premature.
MOTION by Armstrong
Whereas, the PZC has revievzed the )>lana for Washington 377
and
MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 14, 1975 Page 4
WASHINGTON 37
AND
WILLARD MORTON
(Continued)
COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN
BUDGET
Whereas, the proposal appears to be not inconsistent with
the proposed Comprehensive Plan; and
Whereas, the plans for sewers are not complete, and it
would appear that the area will not be sewered in the
next five 'years and possibly not until 1985 or 1990; and
Whereas, the City Planner has recommended denial of the
application;
THEREFORE, the PZC recommends denial of the request.
SECOND by Williams.
VOTE In favor: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace,
Novak, Armstrong, Sovereign. Opposed: Lundquist.
Lundquist indicated he feels no action should be taken
until the sewer plan is fully dedided. Williams commented
that the plan proposed shows the highest overall density
that he would like to see. He' indicated approval of a
small commercial center at the corner of the property.
Johnson stated that the schools are already full and that
the areas within 622 should be developed before 834 be-
cause of the school conditions. William Hammes, Sr. com-
mented that the area should be used for industrial because
that would create ho school problems, and Mr. Aslanidis
indicated that the number of single family residences
should be multiplied by 1.3 to reach the school population
and the number of townhouses should be multiplied by .3
to reach the number of school age children.
Barbara Seness from Midwest Planning presented the draft
of the Comprehensive Plan and discussion took place regard-
ing the road plan. Williams proposed that the road plan
be discussed at the next meeting in two weeks. The Com-
prehensive Plan will be discussed more fully at the special
meeting on Wednesday, October 15.
No information was received from Councilman Abercrombie.
Dorothy Lyons indicated that the 1976 Budget had been
approved. Williams stated that the Council Budget Com-
mittee showed severe'lack of forsight in planning the
budget. The PZC was not consulted as to its own budget
and the PZC was not supplied with information on last
year's budget. Williams stated that he hopes things will
be different when next year's budget is made up. Lyons
indicated that the total PZC budget was $7,500.00 for
the Planner plus $600.00 for PZC expenses, Novak agreed
with Williams' above remarks.
MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 14, 1975 Page 5
REGIONAL A proposed plan for the regional park was passed out at
PARK the last council meeting and a copy of it is attached to
these Minutes.
PUD Williams questioned whether anything had been done on the
ORDINANCE PUD Ordinance. Apparently the City Planner and City Attorney
have not yet given their views to the Council and no action
has been taken on the PUD Ordinance.
BUILDING Williams questioned whether the PZC had ever received
PERMITS monthly lists of the building permits that were issued.
Apparently these have 'not been received. The PZC requests
that same method be developed whereby they can be informed
each month_'of the number, type and location of all building
permits issued.
WILLIAMS Williams suggested that an additional form be' prepared to
be signed by a developer agreeing to the pass -through costs
so that the developer is aware that he is responsible ter
these costs and given a probable amount as to these costs.
The form would also commit the developer through his sig-
nature to the payment of these costs.
BUDGET Williams renewed his request on behalf of the PZC for a
detailed budget accounting for last year's PZC expenses.
ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11:10 p.m.
THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 27, AT 7:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
C\j\-"n"43/
Thomas G. Armstrong
Secretary
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