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Home My WebLink About12-22-75 PZMAGENDA--PLANNING-ZONING COMMIRSION CITY OF LAKE ELMO, MINN. 55042 MEETING TO BE HELD MONDAY, DECEMBER 22, 1975. 7:30 P.M. Roll Call 7:45 P.M. Mr. Ernest Nordling, representing the Top Twenty Investment Club, Box 2052 No. St. Paul, Minn. -- 777-3958 Submitting sketch plan for platting approximately 26 acres --part of the east half (E 1/2) of the northeast quarter (NE 1/4) of Section 21, Twsp. 29, Range 21. 8:15 P.M. Demontreville Highlands revised plat. 8:45 P.M. Lake Jane Hills, Second Addition 9:00 P.M. Midwest Planning technical assistance contract-. 9:15 P.M. Discussion on January 6, 1976 Hearing on the Comprehensive Plan. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION: CITY OF LAKE ELMO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 22, 1975 Meeting called to order at 7:40 p.m. by Chairman Johnson. PRESENT: Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace, Lundquist, Novak, Sovereign (8:00) and Armstrong. MINUTES MOTION by Williams to approve the minutes of the meeting of December 9, 1975 with the following amendments. l.. At ELDON LOESCHER, line 2 change "GB a" to "GB to a". 2. At DEMONTREVILLE HIGHLANDS HEARING, page 1, line 9 change "the water" to "the surface water". 3. At DEMONTREVILLE HIGHLANDS HEARING, page 2, line 15 change "lots should not be subdivided unless" to "large lot subdivisions should not be undertaken when" 4. At DEMONTREVILLE HIGHLANDS HEARING, page 3, line 2 change "the land" to "the soils". n 5. At SEWERS, page 3, line 1 change "Sennes" to "Senness" and "Waste Commission" to "Waste Control Commission". 6. At SEWERS, page3, line 2 change "Maximum Urban Service Area" to "Metropolitan Urban Service Area". 7. At SEWERS, page 3, line 3 change "is called the soft line" to "is a soft line" and change "take 3M" to " take possible spin off from 3M ". 8. At PLANNER COMMITTEE page 3, lines 8 and 9 change the last sentence to read "Williams will ask. Midwest to submit written comments and a discussion between the PZC and Midwest will take place at the January 13th meeting. TOP TWENTY INVESTMENT CLUB SECOND by LUNDQUIST VOTE all in favor. Ernest Nordliug representing the Top Twenty Investment Club made a presentation of the proposed plat of approximately 26 acres in the east half of the northeast quarter of section 21. This area lies to the east of Tablyn Park. There are eighteen lots of at least one acre each; the largest might be two acres. The minimum front width is 125 feet. The only access to the area is along 27th through Tablyn Park. There is no access directly to Stillwater Road. No formal application has been made at this time. Bruce Folz made the plat diagram for the Investment Club. Folz was present and commented on the project. Lundquist questioned how many houses should feed in through one roadway. Because of the proximity to the Metropolitan Park a copy of the plan is being sent to Bill Schwab for review. Johnson indicated that the Watershed District should also see a copy of the plan because of its proximity to a stream. The PZC will discuss the matter further at the January 13th, 1976 meeting. MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DECEMBER 22, 1975 Page 2 ( MONTREVILLE ._._GHLANDS LAKE. JANE HILLS 2nd Addition Roger Derrick requested the delay in further consideration of the plat until the January 13th, 1976 meeting. Lundquist made several comments concerning the plat and a copy of the comments will be forwarded with the agenda for the January 13th, 1976 meeting. Some of the general problems discussed were traffic, surface water, ground water and the economics of sewering the northwest corner of Lake Elmo. Bruce Folz answered further questions concerning the Lake Jane Hills 2nd Addition. The storage of additional run-off water on the site was discussed. Folz stated that the developer would be willing to grade down the hill on lots 2 and three in block 2 to accomodate the storm water project. Folz stated that the storm water project is still up in the air because a decision has not been made whether the storm water from Lake Jane should be diverted through Sunfish Lake or to Eagle Point Lake. The decision on this should be made within the next six months. Novak reported that she had discussions with the City Attorney and that no previous Parkland Dedication had been made for Lake Jane Hills 1st Addition. The City Attorney recommended that the dedication of all the land be made now or if there is not a dedication of land that money be taken for the 1st and 2nd Addition. There is a total of at least 40 lots in both Additions. MOTION by Froehner The PZC recommends approval of the preliminary plan of Lake Jane Hills 2nd Addition subject to: 1. Dedication of 7% of the area of the 1st and 2nd Addition for Parkland and, taking into account the future route of County Road 13, the selection of a future Park Site for the entire Lake Jane Hills area. 2. Recommendations of the Valley Branch Watershed District and agreement of the City Engineer regarding storm water drainage easements and related problems. 3. Developers providing on -site ponding for additional storm water run --off due to development. SECOND by Novak VOTE in favor Johnson, Williams, Dreher, Froehner, Grace, Lundquist, Novak, Sovereign. Opposed: Armstrong MOTION CARRIED Armstrong indicated that he was opposed to subdivisions into one acre lots and recommended that the zoning for this area and most of the rest of Lake Elmo be changed to five acre minimums as recommended by the PZC in its motion of October. 27th, 1975. No action has been taken by the Council on that recommendation by the PZC. MOTION by Williams The PZC recommends that the City Council instruct the Lake Elmo Park Board to study the Lake Jane Hills Development Plan and adjacent lands owned by Schreier and Mogren and make a recommendation to the Council before the end of January 1976 as to the most desireable MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DECEMBER 22, 1975 Page 3 L(E JANE HILLS 2nd Addition (Continued) SECOND by Armstrong VOTE all in favor. location for the Parkland Dedication . TECHNICAL Further discussions were held concerning the future role of Midwest ASSISTANCE Planning and possible methods of handling the city planning require - CONTRACT ments. Armstrong reported that he had a discussion with Bill Schwab, the Washington County Planner, and that Schwab indicated that the charge for attending one meeting per month would be $100.00 and two meetings per month would be $150.00. This would be a flat fee. Any work which had to be done in connection with those meetings would be part of the monthly retainer. Additional work such as Cost Pass Through Items would be completed at $10.00 per hour. The high planner costs on several small projects was discussed. Folz stated that in Grant Township where his firm does studies on a project by project basis that an estimate is given to the town and the deVeloper before any of the work is undertaken. Possibly an estimate in advance on each project might be helpful to the City and Developers. There was a consensus among PZC members that many smaller items such as pole barns and garages could be taken care of without the help and cost of the Planner. Johnson asked that the PZC members come prepared to the January 13th meeting to word a specific motion making recommenda- tions to the Council with regard to the Planner. Johnson indicated that he had asked Midwest to come to the January 13th meeting but he would call them and tell them that they are not needed at that meeting. ANNUAL MEETING Johnson noted that the Annual Meeting of the PZC will be held January 13, 1976 and election of officers will take place at that time. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADJOURNMENT The Public Bearing on the Comprehensive Plan will take place at the Oakland School on January 6th at 8:00 p.m. During the week of December 29th, 1975 the Plan will be mailed out to all the citizens. Further discussion took place regarding the wording of the letter to accompany the Plan. Williams had several suggestions which Johnson will bring to the attention of Mayor Eder. MOTION by Johnson That the PZC acknowledges the participation and contributions made by Todd Williams and Gene Froehner to the City and thanks them for their past service. SECOND by Grace VOTE all in favor (Williams and Froehner abstained) The meeting was adjourned at 1].:15 p.m. THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 13, 1976 AT. 7:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Thomas G. Armstrong, Secretary To Planning Commission Members , From Bill Lundquist Proposed reasons for denying the Roger Derrick request for rezoning: 1. Our engineering staff has told us that houses on 1 acre lots with private septic systems and drainfields will sooner or later pollute the ground water. At that time the need for both central water and central sewer is indicated. 2. AT the present time the Metropolitan Council and the Waste Control Commission have not yet reviewed or approved the proposed Lake Elmo sewer plan or time table, so we have no final assurance that the area in question will be sewered in the foreseeable future. 3. The land in question is presently zoned agricultural and is indicated as being agricultural on our present comprehensive plan. In our revised comprehensive plan we propose to change part of the land in question(south of the proposed park) to single family urban. However we have not yet had our public hearing on this plan and at this stage it is only a proposal. If we were to rezone the land at this time, we would 'De committ- ing ourselves to a position we could not back down from. 4. Part of the proposed land in question is east of the proposed park where our proposed comprehensive plan call5for agricultural zoning. The proposal to rezone this land is therefore incon- sistent with our proposed comprehensive plan. 5. It has not yet been decided how the sewer lines will be paid for. If all of the village is going to pay for any part of the sewer extensions in question, the people of Lake Elmo should have some right to be in on the decision. 6. Our City Engineer recommends no building on one acre lots unless sewer is available within 5 years. 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