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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-26-76 PZMAGENDA--PLANNING-ZONING COMMISSION CITY OF LARE ELMO, MINNESOTA 55042 MEETING TO BE HELD MONDAY, JANUARY 26, 1976. 7:30 P.M. Roll Call Approval of Minutes 7:45 P.M. James Jungman--11160 Manning Trail, Stillwater (439-2361) Checking on Lot 18, Berschens Shores (Howard Walker property) 8:00 P.M. Continuation of Hearing on the Comprehensive Plan. 8:30 P.M. Member from the Wash. Cty. Planners Office Regarding the Comprehensive Plan. 9:15 P.M. -- Ebertz Rezoning Application File (informational per Midwest Planning) 9:45 P.M. -- Continuation of PZC annual meeting. Late Addition to Agenda 7:40 P.M.-- Terry & Nancy Emerson--11.192-10th. St. No.(735-6389) Request application for Variance for moving house from Edina, Minn, into City of Lake Elmo (house over 10 yrs.old.) ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION: PRESENT: EMERSON JUNGMAN CITY OF LAKE ELMO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF JANUARY 26, 1976 Meeting called to order at 7:40 p.m. by Chairman Johnson Johnson, Crombie, Dreher, Grace (9:30), Lundquist, Novak, Sovereign (7:45) and Armstrong (8:35). Terry and Nancy Emerson requested information concerning a variance to move a house from Normandale Road to Eden Park in Lake Elmo. The house is approximately 25 years old and it has a brick exterior. The building inspector will be looking at it tomorrow. The PZC advised them to apply for a variance. James Jungman is anticipating purchasing Lot 18, Berschens Shores from the present owner, Howard Walker. This is on Lake Jane Road and 45th Street. Jungman questioned when sewer service would be available and was told that he might have an answer in 1976. He also questioned the controls on the Lake level in the future and was told that this will be done by the Valley Branch Watershed District. The PZC advised him to get a contour map. HEARING Dave Licht indicated that the City has invested much time and money COMPREHENSIVE on the Comprehensive Plan. It was a difficult plan because of com- PLAN plexities. Compromises have been made and he would hate to see the plan go down the drain because of certain issues. The plan should be a direction. Licht suggests that the PZC recommend passing the plan so that the Metropolitan Council may start discussion. The community may continue discussion and changes can be made. Licht emphasized that it is a policy plan, not law. It cannot become law until the Metropolitan Council review period is over in 90 days. TODD WILLIAMS questioned if amendments of any great change would be made then would the Metropolitan Council have to reinvestigate those amendments for 90 days. Licht stated that if the document is adopted and then amended it needs 90 days to be reviewed again. Williams made the following suggestions to establish a referendum: 1. Establish a committee of citizens who have expressed interest at meetings for referendum. 2. Develop pro and con arguments of issues. 3. Determine which issues are to be on referendum. 4. Conduct a referendum. 5. Incorporate the response from the referendum into the Zoning and Comprehensive Plan. As possible questions, Williams raised the following: Should Lake Elmo have central sewer? Should Lake Elmo's Northeast corner be agricultural? Should Lake Elmo have a large business development like Dayton's in the areas suggested? CHAIRMAN JOHNSON said that Don Raleigh had stated that the City of Lake Elmo cannot conduct a referendum on the Comprehensive Plan because State Statutes do not allow it. If the City was a Charter government then the referendum could be held under the terms of the Charter. Possibly a questionnaire would serve the same purpose as a referendum to give guidance to the PZC and the City Council. ROBERT ZIERTMAN questioned if changes were made after the Metropolitan Council saw the plan would it have to have an extra 90 days. MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION January 26, 1976 Page 2 HEARTNG Licht said no, not unless major issues are changed. Licht said that COMPREHENSIVE many questions can be answered with the next step which is zoning. PLAN GEORGE KRUEGER raised several questions about the use of the (Continued) Northeastern agricultural area. BILL SCHWAB then made a presentation concerning the County Planning Offices views on the Comprehensive Plan. By 1990 87% of the sewered area of Lake Elmo is scheduled to have sewer according to the plan. At the same time only 60% of the total projected population will be present. Possibly too much land is projected into sewer. Schwab indicated that up to now it had been assumed that the sewer would be paid for by the Federal and State government. He indicated that through discussions with the staff he had been informed that based on the original plan by Bonestroo for the WONE sewer the Oakdale area should be able to be sewered by that interceptor. If that is so, then the Lake Elmo interceptor will not be needed for the Oakdale area and therefore there will be no Federal or State funding. If Lake Elmo is the tail end comminuty on the sewer interceptor it will pay the full cost for the sewer. LICHT stated that he doesn't agree with the Metro Council population estimate and says that the Metro Council staff has made statements to the effect that 3M won't have any affect on growth in Lake Elmo. The Metro Council can restrict development by withholding the sewer. If an area does not want development it probably has a good chance to fight the sewer. SCHWAB said that the plans Lake Elmo has for sewer may change if Lake Elmo has to pay for the sewer itself. Schwab also questioned the single family use around the 3M Research "Park" Complex. Possibly there should be some apartments near the 3M development. WILLIAMS stated that he was informed that the Washington County Planning Commission is not in favor of a parkway along 19. They do not want to encourage through traffic. Williams indicated this road- way should be no wider than 2 lanes. At 9:50 the Hearing was closed by Chairman Johnson. The list of all those attending is attached hereto. Johnson emphasized that the citizens may send in written statements or make verbal comments to the Planning Commission in the future. There will be more hearings during the 90 day period of review. Any group which would like to, can meet with the PZC and discuss the development. EMERSON The questions discussed earlier as to the moving of the Emerson house to the Eden Park plat was considered further. Mueller has not looked at the house yet. It is 62 1/2 feet by 38 feet. The Eden Park plat has not yet been recorded. Mueller would like a contract with the Emerson's that they will bring the house up to code after it is installed. MOTION by Grace. That the PZC recommends to the City Council that it approve a variance of City Ordinance §504.190 as to the age of a house which may be moved into the City so as to allow Mr. Emerson to move the house situated on Highway 100 Crosstown and 62nd in Edina to the Eden Park plat subdivision subject to approval by the building inspector and written approval of all landowners within 350 feet of the final location of the property on which the house will be located and further that the applicant enter into an agreement with the City drawn by the City Attorney promising to bring the building up to code. MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION January 26, 1976 Page 3 EMERSON (Continued) SECOND by Lundquist VOTE all in favor. COMPREHINSIVE MOTION by Lundquist PLAN That the Planning and Zoning Commission adopts the Comprehensive Plan pursuant to Minnesota Statute 462.355 as its recommendation to the City Council and for referral to the Metropolitan Council subject to continuing examination of the plan by the PZC during the Metropolitan Council review period and inclusion of any changes and/or amendments that are deemed necessary by the PZC. SECOND by Sovereign VOTE in favor: Johnson, Crombie, Dreher, Grace, Lundquist, Novak, Sovereign Against: Armstrong Armstrong indicated that he has several misgivings about the plans including its sewer projections. More citizen input should be obtained through an informational questionnaire before the PZC should take final action on this. MOTION by Armstrong That the PZC requests the City Council to afford the PZC some represen- tation in the discussions and negotiations with the Metropolitan Council as to the Metropolitan Council's approval or denial of all or any portion of the Comprehensive Plan and that the Council keep the PZC up to date as to all stages of negotiation. SECOND by Johnson VOTE all in favor TOP TWENTY Mr. Schwab had examined the proposed plat of the Top Twenty Investment INVESTMENT Club because of the fact that it borders on the proposed Metropolitan CLUB Park. Because of the soil type Schwab indicated that there would be side lot seepage in the northeast corners. The soil is too granular and the septic systems will seep too quickly. The southwest corner will have too slow of a precipitation rate. Restriction should be placed on the plat in accordance with the soil test. Other than the sewage problems Schwab saw no significant affect on the park. He suggested that a letter be sent to the developer asking for more detailed soils informa- tion on each lot -before approval is granted to the plan. Any action on the Top Twenty Investment Club was deferred to the next meeting. Sovereign indicated that she will abstain from any votes in connection with it because her husband is one of the Top Twenty. ANNUAL MOTION by Sovereign MEETING That the Annual Meeting be postponed until the next meeting of the PZC. ADJOURNMENT Motion died for lack of Second. An election was then held and the following persons were elected: Chairman, Grace; Vice Chairman, Sovereign; Secretary, Crombie. The meeting adjourned at 11:55 p.m. The next meeting will be held on February 10, 1976 at 7:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, CONTINUATION OF HEARING ON LAKE ELMO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NAME Todd R. Williams George Krueger Robert Ziertman Bob Soules Bob Owens John Rudquist Judy Moris Donald J. Moris Elmer Splinter John Day Roy A. Splinter Alice Cody John Cody Dorothy Lyons Bruce Folz Bruce Abercrombie Dennis Welsch Bill Schwab JANUARY 26, 1976 ADDRESS 3025 Lake Elmo Avenue North 11491 50th Street, Lake Elmo 10193 60th Street North, Lake Elmo 3M Co. 3M Co. 3M Co. 9759 45th Street No., Lake Elmo 9759 45th Street No., Lake Elmo 13502 Hudson Blvd, Stillwater 4779 Lake Elmo Avenue, Lake Elmo 13646 Hudson Blvd, Stillwater 11459 60th Street North, Stillwater 11459 60th Street North, Stillwater 10072 No. 10th Street, Lake Elmo 8488 Stillwater Blvd. N., Lake Elmo 3091 Layton Court North Washington County Planning Department Washington County Planning Department