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Home My WebLink About01-06-76 PZM1.. fie., s,5aJ( ux0"GH a=i. /5crN stfas zak- n .. 117 /, L L 'ter -Zi.z2 1,61: F_ nrA Carte--.�•.- �f77 ?; i 7; q4 • i q 7 1917 ,X X! jL1'n' 1,.'fc7;34: 7:Si }e %)9/, xxx 1, r77 >1.-XyxXxXX'-fir X 91,E x .<1 ‹ ,><.:xX x x . >C.x1 Lf1.51 X X ,XXXXX:50<KL<AX, 4_ ! q- x00C>< X X > %( XX X �.._�� X)<?< N CITY OF LAKE ELMO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF JAN[JARY 6, 1976 Introductory remarks by Mayor. Eder. Public Hearing was called to order at 8:10 p.m. by Chairman Johnson. Presentation was then given by Dave Licht of Midwest Planning. At 8:50 Chairman Johnson opened the floor for questions and informed the audience that written comments could be submitted no later than January 20th. MARLENE NELSON IVAN SKOOG TOM KELLER DON MIELKE SCOTTY LYALL MRS. SIEDOW It appears that the sewer will be going through the regional park. When will this happen? Bonestroo answered that the earliest would be five years. It will take this long for the land aquisition and related studies by the Metropolitan Wastes Commission. The Federal funding would be 75%. The State funding would be 15% and there would be a 10% funding by the community. The plan mentions nothing about a water system. Bonestroo answered that the City has a plan which needs updating. Licht added that the water system would not be in the Comprehensive Plan as it is an engineering requirement. Keller stated that he lives on the east shore of Lake Elmo. He believes there is no rush in submitting this plan to the Metropolitan Council Keller. commented on the preamble to the plan which was mailed out to him. He stated that the citizens should have much more time for comment and that there was no rush to give this to a remote governmental body. He said there were things that the plan took for granted such as the northern route of 1--94 and a strip of "honkey-tonk businesses" along both sides of it. He questioned the effect that this would have on the Oakland school and renewed his request for more time for citizen input to the plan. Is this the only time that property owners will have to comment or will there be other times when property owners will be able to continent on proposed developments? There is a lot of talk about sanitary sewers but no mention of storm sewers. What will be done about the water. problem? There should be some mention of storm sewers. Where will the water go from developments? Licht stated that this was covered in the plan on. pages 12 through 14. Stated she lived in Tablyn Park and questioned how many homes would be taken along the north side of old Stillwater Road when County Road 13 went through and commented that the homes that were left would have to be next to this four -lane highway. MINUTES OF THE PZC PUBLIC HEARING OF JANUARY 6, 1976. Page 2 JIM PREM ? Questions need of north -south road, 4 to 6 lanes wide next to 694. GARY BILLINGSLEY Stated that he lives on Legion Avenue and questioned whether the comments from the audience would be attached to the Comprehensive Plan and whether the comments would be recorded and reviewed by the PZC. Re stated that considerable review was necessary and he would like more time. The PZC should not act on this plan by January 26 but should give an additional two week period so citizens would have more time to review it and submit comments and make statements. He said it would be better to have another public hearing prior to the approval because there are many people who would not make the effort to submit their comments in writing. PAULETTE WOYKE She indicated that she opposed the January 26 deadline and asked for a longer period of time. BOB CHARBONNEAU Requested to know the cost of the plan and was informed that the total cost was $11,500 plus an additional $500 for printing and postage. KIRBY KENNEDY Questioned the proposed route of County Road 13 between 212 and 36. He asked who drew the line. EDWARD JORCZYIC EDWARD STEVENS Has there been any study by the PZC as to the effect of. the Lake E].mo Airport on citizens desiring to move into the Lake Elmo area? Questioned the Comprehensive Plan at page 40 which stated that the airport is classified as a utility airport. Mayor. Eder outlined the present situation regarding the airport and stated that the 1965 plan calls for dual runways in each direction.. Stevens commented that this means that the frequency could still increase. He indicated that no expansion of the airport would better guarantee a ceiling on the number of planes using it. HERMAN OSTERKAMP Indicated that there is a pond near his house which is full and that next summer it will overflow and wishes someone from the City would come out and look at it. RUSSELL ML1NAR JESS MOTTAZ Said the plan looks like a nice balance between commercial and residential and questioned whether the PZC had a per- centage reference to go by. IIe indicated the plan looks OK to him. There have been mentions of faulty sewage systems in the Tri-Lakes area and this is used as a justification for the need for sewers. Mottax has seen the statement before but outside of the emergency of last summer knows of no systems polluting the lake. Has the engineer completed his study concerning septic systems in the Tri-Lakes area? Unless this study has been complete and shows faulty systems it is MINUTES OF THE PCZ PUBLIC HEARING OF JANUARY 6, 1976 Page 3 JESS MOTTAZ inappropriate to say there are faulty systems. It is the (continued) City's responsibility to clear up faulty systems and. such a statement indicates only that the City is either mis- informed or not doing its job. No such statement should ever appear :in a plan. It appears at page 4 and page 40. R. PETERSEN DAVID MORGAN Questioned the effect that sewer would have on Lake Elmo. It would create high density growth and high assesments. He questioned whether this is desireable for Lake Elmo. Is the sewer cost effective? Has the PZC or City Engineer investigated any alternative plan? He sees the Comprehensive Plan as a regimented plan for the development of the City but it does not appear to take into effect the quality of life which will be changed by a sewer. Johnson asked Bonestroo to comment on alternatives to sewer. Engineer Bonestroo extolled the benefits and low cost of sewers and gave examples of other cities saving money by making purchases 10 to 15 years in advance. He stated that his firm had built other septic systems but they wouldn't warrant them. He intimated that any planner who proposed plans without the use of sewer systems was not living up to his responsibilities. Mr. Bonestroo talked briefly about recycling wastes, chemical treatment and incineration of wastes. He said that this is costly and again extolled the benefits of building sewers. MARLENE NELSON Will the main sewer interceptor be underground? BRUCE FOLZ At page 21 4 (d)..-, the plan talks about a pedestrian - bicycle path. The City has some time ago rejected the Washington County plan for pedestrian -bicycle paths because of the difficulty in policing them and because of the fact that they would be, going near residential housing. Folz also questioned page 23 where it states there will be access to lakes of over 50 acres. He questioned why the City had not bought the Olinger property which would provide access to Lake Jane. The Public Hearing was recessed at 10:10 p.m. by Chairman Johnson. Re ctfully submitted, Thomas G. Armstrong COMPREILENSIVE PLAN HEARING NAME Tom Armstrong John Kleis Mr. and Mrs. Robert Dreher Robert H. Ziertman Jeanne Novak Russell Mlinar Willard Griffin Lauren Frazer Gene Froehner Paul Emerson Bill Lundquist Lloyd James Dennis Welsch Mr. and Mrs. H. Osterkamp Marilyn Schroeder Mr. and Mrs. M. Stebbins Jerry Burton Mr., and Mrs. Gene Hennen John Day Mr. George Pletsch Mr. and Mrs. Donald J. Novak Gary L. Carlson Mr. and Mrs. B. L. Thepe Chuck Walsh Gaylen Springborn Doris L. Buberl Mrs. Howard Springborn Gary Billingsley Jarry Runk Harry Zabrok Cal Bartley Bob Soules Bob Owens John E. Rudquist Edward R. Jorczyk Peter J. Blomquist R. B. Abercrombie Otto G. Bonestroo Maynard L. Eder George D. Hedges Mollie Hedges Scotty Lyali David Morgan Lolly Ballsrud Doris Woodworth Jan Sovereign Jess H. Mottaz George & Lorraine Krueger. ADDRESS 8291 15th St. N., Lake Elmo 5540 Keats Ave. No. 7515 -- l0th Street North 10193 60th St. No. 2925 Klondike Ave. N. 11311 50th St. No. 2835 Lake Elmo Avenue N. 3078 Lake Elmo Ave. N. 3490 Kelvin Ave. N. 11678 20th St. N. 5744 Lake Elmo Avenue N. Pendleton Company Washington County Planning Dept. 11295 32nd St. N., Lake Elmo 3286 Lampert Ave. N. 2773 Inwood Ave., Lake Elmo 3265 Kraft Circle N. 8652 -• 27th St. N. 4779 Lake Elmo Ave. N. 8685 27th St. N., Lake Elmo 8715 27th St. N., Lake Elmo 8722 Ironwood Trail, Lake Elmo 8340 Lake Jane Trail No. 8360 Lalce Jane Tr. N. 8709 DeMontreville Tr. N., Lake Elmo 5615 Keats Ave. N. Lake Elmo 8709 DeMontreville Tr. N., Lake Elmo 2898 Legion Ave. N. Lake Elmo 232 Cimarron, Lake Elmo 8120 Hill Trail N. 2543 Lake Elmo Ave. No. 3M Co. 3M Co. 3M Co. 422 Dorland Pl., Maplewood 3435 Jamaca Ave. No. 3091 Layton Ct:. 8199 Hill Trail North 9275 Lake Jane Tr. N. 4508 Birchbark Trail 4508 Birchbark Trail 4515 Birchbark Trail No. 4563 Birchbark Trail No. 8455 Deer Pond 8242 Hidden Bay Trail 4415 Olson Lake Trail No. 7982 Hill Trail No., Lake Elmo 11491 50th St. No., Lake Elmo NAME ADDRESS Mrs. Alkin L. Danielson Catherine Crocker Edward Stevens Tom Keller Bernie Fr.oehner Gerald W. Wulfing Bruce Weeks Mr. and Mrs. Stanley 8iedow Ivan Skoog R. A. Petersen L. H. Parsons Marlene M. Nelson Conrad E. Adams Bruce Folz Betty Michels Karen Folz Owen Fure David Herder Donald S. Mielke James Bjorkman Virginia Johnson Todd Williams Robert R. Charbonneau Vera E. Charbonneau S. S. Shogren Doris L. Shogren Kirby A. Kennedy Mairlynn Kennedy Paulette Woyke 11240 - 50th St. No., Lake Elmo 5093 Keats Ave. N. 10133 - 47th St. N. 2767 Lake Elmo Ave. No. 2715 Lake Elmo Ave. N. 8196 38th St. No. 1446 Lake Elmo Ave. 2731 Inwood Ave. N. 8573 Hidden Bay 8268 39th St. N. 8234 30th St. N. 2602 Ivy N. 8903 Jane Rd. N. 8488 Stillwater Blvd. N. 8740 Stillwater Blvd. N. 8488 Stillwater Blvd. N. 8404 Stillwater Blvd. N. 8428 Stillwater Blvd. N. 3631 Laverne Ave. N. 3650 Laverne Ave. N. 8896 Lake Jane Trail 3025 Lake Elmo Ave. No. 7821 DeMontreville Tr. No. 7821 DeMontreville Tr. No. 5424 Lake Elmo Ave. 5424 Lake Elmo Ave. 9051 Jane Rd. N. 9051 Jane Rd. N. 8309 30th St. North