Loading...
HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-27-78 PZMAGENDA--PLANNING-ZONING COMMISSION City of Lake Elmo, Minn. 55042 This mooting to a JOIAIT MEETING of the plann ino-Zoning Commission and the CityCopncil, Meeting to be held Monday., Wernher 27m 197-8. ASE NOtS4 6;15 P.M. 700 P.M. 7040 01,00 P.M. 500 P.M. M- Meeting convenes °.C.omprehensive Plan Rob dhelsethe btNNE12 H'OUE-:4en'i Meeting reconvenes Roll Call Approval of Minutes Sac% Ifillatrom-+,3089 Irnnsdale Ave, Application fart Subdivision and Va runt!. ( tat 18 Bordner -,darner tarmettes ) . HEARING4rtakf.'' Elmo Baptist Church Special USe Permit for csonattucta.on Of a church building between Uiway 212 and Stillwater Labe, Mw w with City- Planner, Elmo: Inn 9a00 P.M. Joseph Timmersr-1621 E. Sandhurst Dr. - Mt. haul App1imAtion for Subdivision for Lets 15 & 18,Three Lakes Farm 9430 P.M. .. Dean Bentel4S66 Stillwater Blvd. No, Application: ter Subdivision and Prel.iMinaxy Plans for"Beutel' Addi •ion" (31.49 acresapart of _tile SE 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Section iS)and part of NE 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of Section 10. Isvas, pOR D/SCUS.S oNt CITY OF LAKE F,LMO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES OF TFIE MEETING OF NOVEMBE'R 27, 1978 The joint meeting of the Planning Commission and City Council was called to order at 5:20 PT4 by Chairman Grace. Roll Call: Crombie, Lundquist, Michels, Grace, Novak, Murphy, Dreher, Rob Chelseth, Planner, Larry Whittaker, Administrative Assistant, Council, Lyons, Pott, Armstrong, Moris (7:30) Alternate Prince Comprehensive Plan: Rob Chelseth reviewed the planning issues for the Comprehensive Plan revision.for land use in the City. Three alternatives were suggested and discussed. A decision on which alternate or combination of alternates is to be readied by the PZC and Council for presentation to the planner at a joint meeting December 19, 1978, at 5 PM. Dinner Break 6:30 to 7:30. C. Jack Hillstrom: Application for subdivision and variance - Lot 13 Bordner -Gardner. Farmettes Mr. Gardner has three acres on Innsdale Avenue. He is proposing to sub- divide them into three parcels. Two would be .9 A and one would he just over an acre. This division is caused by the present location of the Hillstrom home, which'is too close to -one of..the lines. The area is zoned SFS and all the lots have the required frontage. A variance cannot be granted since there is no hardship to the land. There were no questions regarding the sub -division. No variance would be needed if property lines can be surveyed into the proper division., Motion by Crombie to approve the concept of three one (1) acre lots, pro-' viding these lots can be surveyed out and still meet City standards. Seconded by Dreher. Motion carried 8-0 To appear on December 12, 1978 Council agenda. Lake Elmo Baptist Church: Hearing - SUP for construction of a church between Hwy 212 and Stillwater Lane The Church owns seven (7) acres between 11wy 212 and Stillwater Lane, also the property to the east of Kelvin Avenue. The T'ngineer indicated two possible building sites on the property. Phase T will include the sanctuary building and parking lot. The lot will provide 129 spaces, Plans for the property to the east include a hall field, athletic field, etc. The highest point of any of the buildings will be 10 ft. above the highest point of Stillwater Lane. Audience: Bob Taverna: Q. What is this property zoned now? A. SFU, but the 0hureh is a permitted use in this zone. Further comments: 1) This property is zoned SFU - moved here to get away from traffic. 2) Feels the people of the Church will not all use Kelvin and thereby traffic on Stillwater Lane is going to he increased, 3) Drainage - 1 : ft. of water sits where parking lot is proposed. This will need to be filled and will cause more problems. tF) Aesthetically this will not fit into the neighborhood. 5 Solar panels, if put in would add to the building height. 6 Feels the building will be used for many purposes - not only on Sunday thus causing more congestion. Rudolph Meyer: Felt this would always be a residential area. Feels the recreation area and the gym will take away from- the rural atmosphere. He is opposed, Dick Seeler: Owns property on the old Snyder farm. Anticipates water and drainage problems. What will this facility do to his property. Objects on this basis. PLANNING AND 'ZONING COMMISSION —2— NOVEMBER 27, 1978 nearing Continued: A. to Mr, Seeler — Tom Noyes recommended a 24" culvert and feels this will handle the water caused by the Church. There will he no buildings on the property to the east. The water will be held on this land; when it reaches cspacity it will run out the culvert. A design will have to be drafted to hold the water to the west, also. Q. Will there be any screening from the neighbors? Yes, no landscape plans in yet. Q,, Where is culvert to he installed? Under. Kelvin Avenue, so water can drain to the east, Richard Webb, Pastor — Sunday morning and Sunday evening services are held. There are approximately 130 people in the morning and 85 in the evening. Services during the week will continue to be held in the homes, The Church has no hazzars, hotiques, etc. Traffic will he primarily on Sunday, no weekly functions will go on. Keith Kemp: Ts there any way to figure the devaluation of surrounding property owners? Tt is not felt a Church devalues surrounding property. Local and County tax assessors could be contacted for an opinion, R. Meyer: Fele recreational area will override the Church — This is his main objection, Comment: Christ Luthern Church is in the middle of residential area, Someone should check with those residents and see how they feel, Drainage should be put before the engineer. Traffic generated by seven homes is close to the no of cars generated by the Church, R. Meyer: Christ Luthern Church was built' before the homes came, 1Te feels the Church is corning into an area where homes are already established. Dick Nelson: Church member — the Church should be a positive thing in the community, and the aim of the Lake Elmo Baptist Church is to be an asset to the community, Q. Realistically can all the traffic exit on Kelvin? B. Traverna: Is this the best location for this church? Peels there should he a better suited site, A, Many sites have been explored. ThiS 12 A site fits the needs of the Church. No Engineer, Planner. or Attorney reports in as yet, nearing closed at 9 PM, Joeseph Timmers: Subdivision of Lots 15 & 16 Three Lakes Farm Mr, Timmers would like to subdivide approximately 10 acres into two lots. Presently there is a public alley that can give access to the rear lot, Approximately 27 ft, will be needed in order to upgrade this alley into n 60 ft, easement. The lot sizes will be about 4,4 and. 5,09, burther subdivision of the lots could not be done unless the easement is brought up to streP1; standards, The'Planninp Commission considers recommendation to'approvl the'proposed subdivision subject to the considerations of the City Th,gineer and a written statement from the City Attorney stating that lot 16 is a buildable lot. Bruce Folz will redraw the proposa]. and return with the Engineers and Attorneys comments at the December 12 meeting. Dean Peutel: Subdivision of 33,49 acres Hearing set for January 9, 1978 at 8 PM, Minutes: Motion by Novak, Seconded by Lundquist to approve the minutes of Nov, 14, with the addition of the motion relating to the Richard Bergman Minor Sub --division; Motion by Novak, Seconded by Lundquist to approve the Minor Sub —division, as requested by Richard Bergman, 5-0 1 abstention, Moris, Motion Carried. Meeting of November 15, 1978 closed 7:45 PM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION -3- NOVF,NLh3FTR 27, 1978 Fred %nister: Subdivision of ]3nnister Property at 3150 Lake Elmo Avenue Motion by Grace, Seconded by Michels the PZC advises that .Fred -Banister create three one (1) acre lots, each lot having one (1) acre above the flood plain lever The Planning; Commission has no le/al right to grant the variance. Also to be provided, a legally proper access to the homes at the rear of the property, Motion carried 8-0, Adjournment: 10:05 PM Respectfully submitted, Kathleen Crombie Recording Secretary k ,c , - Ar1ENrez...14, / / - —7- c),c3c•c• / aXct, ) V,1 1-4 , fi .7? ' • /17 ?. )C. --/ y •-j/ 1 . - . ..? 1- L .-k r / 4•/ i ..1._.--,,,, - .. _.i..A.2 0.--i...-- ,,,._..) ..,-.-L-2 L_• ., .:. .; • • 1 "--t. 71'• 2.„ „4' 1"L, 7. ; ' • ) yi -2_ f.-/ - •-) -7 -7 , - -• /o a 7.z._ X /6Y---2316-41 e_jmee ,./ TY-ct-ti fy 5 q 7 - nc CITY OF' LAKE LLMO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 27, 1978 The joint meeting of the Planning Commission and City. Council wan called to order at 5:20 PM by Chairman Grace. Roll Call: Crombie, Lundquist, Michels, Grace, Novak, Murphy, Dreher., Rob Chelseth, Planner, Larry Whittaker, Administrative Assistant, Council, Lyons, Pott, Armstrong, Moris (7:30) Alternate Prince Comprehensive Plan: Rob Chelseth reviewed the planning issues for. the Comprehensive Plan revision for land use in the City. Three alternatives were suggested and discussed. A decision on which alternate or combination of alternates is to be readied by the PZC and Council for presentation to the planner at a joint meeting December 19, 1978, at r, PM. Dinner Dreak 6:30•'to 7:30. G, Jack Hillstrom: Application for subdivision and variance _ Lot 13 Bordner -Gardner. Farmettes Mr. Gardner has three acres on Innsdale Avenue, He is proposing to sub- divide them into three parcels. Two would he ,9 A and one would be just over an acre. This division is caused by the present location of the Hillstrom home, wbioh'is too close to'one of the lines, - The area is zoned SFS and all the lots have the required frontage. A. variance cannot he granted since there is no hardship to the land. There were no questions regarding the sub -division, No variance would be needed if property lines can he surveyed into the proper division., Motion by Crombie to approve the concept of three_one (1) acre lots, prop'' viding these lots can he surveyed out and still meet City standards. Seconded by Dreher. Motion carried 8-0 To appear on December 12, 1978 Council agenda. Lalce Elmo ]laptist Church: Hearing - SUP for construction of a church between Hwy 212 and Stillwater Lane The Church owns seven (7) acres between TTwy 212 and Stillwater Lang, also tho property to the east of Kelvin Avenue. The Engineer indicated two 'posdihle building sites on the property, Phase T will include the sanctuary building; and parking lot. The 'lot will provide 129 spaces, ' Plans i'or the property to the east include a, ball field, athletic field, .eta. The highest point of any of the huildinFrs will be 10 ft, above the highest point of Stillwater Lane. Audiences 73ob:Taverna: 9•, What is this property zoned now? A. SFU, hut the Church is a permitted use in this one, Further comments: 1) This property is zoned SFU - moved here to get away'from traffic, 2 Feels the people of the Church will not all, use Kelvin and thereby traffic on Stillwater Lane is going to he increased. - 3) Drainage - 11 ft, of water sits where parking lot is proposed. This will need to be filled and, will cause more problems. !I) : Aesthetically tilt will not fit into the neighborhood, • Solar panels, if put in would add to the huilding height. Feels the building will be used. fq'r many ,purposes - not only on Sunday thus causing more congestion. . Rudolph Meyer: Felt this would always be a: residential °area. Feels the recreation area and the gym will take away from the rural atmosphere, Ho Ls opposed, Dick Seeler: Owns property on the oldiSnyder farm. Anticipates water a -and drainage problems. l•ihat will this facility do to his property. Objects 1 this' basis.