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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-18-79 PZMCOMPREHENSIVE PLAN HEARING, JUNE 18, 1979 x-� Rob Chelseth, City Planner reviewed how the land in Lake Elmo is seen being used between how and 1990. The purpose of this hearing is for resident and land owner input and recommendations. The Planner reviewed the proposed land use map. I Audienoe response: Iyl'e. Eckberg, Attorney - Letter of objection entered into record regarding Durow Property. Charles Raynor, Attorney - representing 1st National Bank of St. Paul. Questioned the Rural General Use Section and Highway Use. In March they took over ownership of 160 acres . They recently talked to the City Attorney and received a copy of the proposed Comprehensive Plan. It was reviewed June 18. Have no written objections prepared. Request a delay on a decision until a written objeotion can be prepared. Kay Hilpish, Lake Elmo resident - Congratulated the PZC on the proposed plan. Agrees with the idea of slow development of the City. Presented a petition acknowledging and congtat- ulating the Planning Commission on the plan, Charles Anderson Dr. Swanson - Owners of The Animal Inn, highway 212 - Mr. Anderson stated they own 22 acres that fall within the General Rural Use Area. They presently have a Special Use Permit for their business that is going on there now. Would like assurances the SUP will be substantiated or perferabl'y the 22 A be recommended for Light -Industry, which co- ordinates with its present use. They desire the ability to plan 10 to 20 years ahead. The present SUP grants future uses of the, property. Ed Schwartzbauer, Attorney - representing 'Dayton -Hudson, property owners of 1000 A on Highway 12. Disturbed that the plan being proposed is to act as a solution to nrhan sprawl. ]-fe feels it will have the opposite effect and. lead to urban sprawl. Imposing .large lot requirements that are larger than necessary, sooner or later become intolerable and contribute to the energy and pas shorgages. Unnescessary desire for large lots causes - this by scattering development. ile feels the City i.s overlooking an advantage to the community of having a large 1000 A parcel. A private developer may be able to .finance sewer and water, this allowing staging., He stated the plan does three things: 1) Provides for ultra low density. 2) Provides for ultra large lots. 3) Gives away the MUSA line, sewer. capacity. The Metropolitan Council Development Plan indicates Urban Services availavility to rake Elmo in the 1980's. The Lake Elmo Plan says they have no desire for sewer in the 80's. Dayton -Hudson has spent time packaging the parcel into a single ownership and desire to sell to a single buyer, The 40A'unsewered lot size will force selling to separate owners. In 1990 Lake Illmo will be where it is today, will have given its sewer capacity to other communities, and will be starting over again. If Lake Elmo desires to zone the land for open space, Dayton -Hudson desires it be zoned as a park or school and not have the owners pay taxes on it. Urges Lake Elmo to take a hard look at the plan first, as it does the City a great disservice as to what the plan wants to achieve and what ultimately will be achieved, Herb Crocker, Lake E].mo resident for 21 years - Read a statement stating his pleasure with the proposed Lake Elmo Plan, The statement and a column from the ltneapolis Tribune of June 17, 1979 will be attached and become part of this record. Wally Ebert?" property owner - Purchased property on highway 12 in 1975, and had it rezoned in 1976 to General Business, Questioned how the plan affects this 20A parcel. Is this zoning now taken away. Rob Chelseth stated a specific decision cannot be made about this now. It could be left at its present zoning or the City may wish to change it to agree with the map until a specific request is made for a use. Such a determination will he made when the Zoning Map is presented. Public Hearings on the Zoning Ordinance and Zoning Map will be in late July or August. M* PZC members present: Crumble, Prince, Murphy, Michels, Dreher , The meeting was chaired by Vice -Chairman Novak Council members present: Armstrong, Mottaz and Johnson CITY OF LAKE ELMO COMPR]iiENSIVE PLAN MEETING, JUNE 18, 1979 Kenneth StensbLy, President - United Properties - Owns 130 A on corner of Highway 12 and County 13B . In 1971 United Properties met with the City Council and was told to he patient and not break up the land. The firm was, trying to be good corporate neighbors and oomplied with the City's wishes. 'Phis plan is not consistent with the peat Compre- hensive Plan of Lake Elmo. The City should be contemplating highway commercial on Highway 12; it is not a good place for single family dwellings. This is spot zoning in reverse. Requests the City plan and zone the corridor along 12 commercial. Also, the City should verify the 500 ft. noise and pollution set -back. He feels 1000 ft is the general rule of thumb. Major concerns are 1) spot zoning- 12 should be designated highway commercial 2) noise and pollution set -back -1.000 ft. should be verified 3) MUSA line - giving up the capacity will. make development permanently impossible in City. Chloe the line is moved and the City gives up its capacity The dity will not get it back. This was told to Mr. Steneby by the Metropolitan Counoil,stafi: If problems arise within other areas in the City citizens will be financially responsible fox a municipal system, The City is not gaining anything by giving up capacity and it is not costing them to retain it, Some commercial is indicated along Highway 12. As an example a restaurant would be a permitted use but no provisions are made for severing thus eliminating the use. Requests the PZC review these concerns and consider changes, Dave Granisoh - representing Mr. Willis Hutchinson, owner of 200 A in the I+}i of Section 13, This property has been zoned Industrial. for. 20 years by the City and its presessor township. I£ this proposed plan is adopted what effect will it have on the use of this property? The Planner stated the plan does propose several changes where nothing has occured. The proposed use is rural. Changes will be considered at the time of the Zoning Ordinance and Map. The City will compare what it was and make it consistent to the Comprehensive Plan Map. Mr. Granisch registered his objection to any change in zoning. Bill Park - Proposed County 13 changes - Mr. Park suggests that the northerly line of 13B be moved to Keats Avenue eliminating the need to acquire additional right-of-way. The Regional Park Plan road could be drawn into line and continue to Keats. A drawing of this proposal was accepted and will he entered into the record, Lents N. Peterson - Lehman Mushroom - The proposed plan designates this property in the General Rural Use area. Questioned how locked into this proposed plan are they? Who changes the Use? Reply - the City Council. Robert Bell - representing the Federal Land Co. - owners of property at Highway 12 and County 19. Questioned if noise set -hack would apply to County 19 alao? Asked where the present MUSA line is and will each proposed change be weighed against Comprehensive Plan Map? Planners reply - yes - this will he addressed at the time of the Zoning Map, Mr. Bell feels this area should be substantially commercial along 12 and 19 service roads. Mrs, Marlene Nelson - resident - .located south of railroad bridge, off of Hwy, 212. Questioned proposed upgrading of County 6. Who is going to take their property, County Perk, Watershed District or City? Would like to keep their residence, but feel they will he condemned. Wants to be kept informed what is going to happen to their property. Albert Eberhard - Lake Elmo farmer, owns 80 A •- has no intention of selling, will farm as long as he can. When he no Longer can farm all he Will have is two I40A lots rather than BOA, this is unfair. Does not feel it is his obligation to provide open space for Lake Elmo residents to look at. When you increase the lot size you reduce the value of his property, Martin Cohn - Federal Land Co. - This is a guide plan, when all development deemed un- necessary it is a bad, plan. It has the attitude of saying I hope it will all go away and will be saved for time immortal. This le not realistic and creates a hardship at a later date. Lake Elmo is in an unique situation - transition from farming to residential type use. Good planning, therefore, is a necessity. All this plan does is put off problems to the future and give them to future Councils and Planning Commissions, CITY OF LAKE ELMO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING, JUNE 18, 1979 —3— Steve Raleigh — Lake Elmo resident — Questioned if Comprehensive Plan has any effect on roadway improvements? Can the County override the desires of Lake Elmo? Reply — Lake Elmo oan go back to the County and request their improvements coincide the Iake Elmo Plan. Comments about out—of—pocket money, If this plan is modified he sees taxes sky —rocketing via need of increased services. Likes current plan and hopes it oan he implemented. ICav Hiluish — Lake Elmo resident — Likes what has been done. She is a local resident and supports her local Council and PLC and their ideas. Mr. Oiling. Attorney' — United Properties — Questioned if property devaluation will also Provide the owner with a tax break. This caused by the large 40A lot sizes. Is the City acknowledging this if they pass the Plana Thomas Armstrong., Iake Elio Mayor — I3,y moving the MUSA line to the western border Lake Elmo is not giving anything away. Majority of people who Live in Lake Elmo would like to see it remain a rural community. Adding sewer units will push urban sprawl into the country. By this plan we are trying to put something together for the good of the City. Lake Elmo does not need a 1000A housing development. Ted Meyer. Attorney — representing Don DeCoster owns property in Section 28 and 33. Does not see where a lot has happened since the 1975 Comp Plan to deem this new plan. The Planner indicated the 1976 State Legislature passed the Land Act Bill requiring a new plan he submitted, The previous plan did not qualify -as past-asSump.tioneTregardingn land use did not materialize. Mr. Meyer questioned what abuses have taken place to give rise to this anti -development attitude. He feels property owners are entitled to reason— able expectations for land use, this is'ftedd d fundamental fairness. Land owners have rights and needs that should be addressed. Highway 12 corridor zoned for commercial use makes more sense. MUSA line — nothing has been said that rationally justifies moving the line. It makes no sense to give it up. , Jess Mottaz. Lake Elmo Councilman — There is no such thing as a MUSA line. It is shaded area from the Metropolitan Waste Commission. Where it goes is the decision of the City Council. It does not exist until Lake Elmo and adjacent communities decide where it will exist. The City feels it is best suited to go along the western border.. Mr. Kenneth Stensby — United Properties — His comments about the MUSA line were quoted from the City Plan. The City now has the ability Within the community to take 6,000 sewer units,NiObttaz replied the City is not giving something up forever.. Mr. Stensby feels the City is misleading the people by saying they can get the capacity back. He has talked to the Met Council and they say the City will never get those units back, Albert Eberhard - Feels 4.0A lots are unfair. It is closing the door on those who did not develop before. Iyyle Slawson.--Lake. Elmo resident — owns 80 A bordered by Foxfire Estates and another .development. Ile does not intend to sell but according to the plan he has two 4OA lots between two developments. Also, a road (13B?) is proposed through the back of his property. He objects to the large lot sizes. Gene Peltier. Lake Elmo resident, farmer — Disagrees with the sale map as to the amount of Prime Agriculture land. People who own land would have a hard time paying their taxes from the income from the land rental. Feels the City of Lake Elmo is going backwards. If this plan goes through it will take at least 10 years to come back to where we are today. Ed Stevens, Lake Elmo resident — Commenting on sewer and commercial — Marco Polo Restaurant on Co. 70 is not hooked up to a sewer line. Investment is a chance. Sees developers as opportunists and people who live here are not obligated to allow those who do not live here to cash in on the land. CITY OF LAKE ELMO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HEARING, JUNE 18, 1979 Ft1 Whitman, Lake Elmo resident - Stated he was a long time resident. He feels this plan will reduoe his sale value 75%. Feels the plan is a flagrant waste of land. Feels no obligation to those who wish to look at his property and do not have enough of their own to look at. Mr. Willis Hutchinson -'owns 200 A that have been zoned Industrial for 20 years. He has kept it all these years because of this zoning. This is the largest chunk of land in the village. As the park system occupies 20 to 30/ of the land residents should be happy with the amount of open spaoe. Due to the availability of Lake Elmo parks to surrounding communities it is going to cost the tax payers of Lake Elmo for police protection, fire protection maintenance, etc. This property was set aside as a tax base for added revenue. Martin Cohn - Federal Land Co. Feels the preparation allotted property owners to respond was too short. Requests more time be allowed before any decision is made. Re would also like to see the present map next to the proposed one. Jean Novak. PZC Vine -Chairman - The Planning Commission will accept additional written comments. Review of the hearings will be held by the PZC July 9, 1979. Richard Rudman - Economic student, does not live in Lake Elmo. Asked what has changed in Lake Elmo and what has brought this about. Observed that communities like Lake Elmo have been passed over in the past. General observations extended. Charles Raynor . Does the plan take into account what is already there? Planner replied the plan tries to take into account what is there and create a balance of both. Questioned why there is no highway use indicated all along the Highway 12 corridor? - did not identify himself - Questioned the Kelvin Avenue crossing at Co. 15 or old Harvester Avenue. Mike Johnson, Councilman stated Co. 15 will terminate at the Regional Park boundary. Nh. feels there should be some other type of access so he will not be cut off completely and forced to drive completely around the park from his residence. Dorothy Lyons, Lake Elmo resident - Will valuation. be decreased on property where there is a zoning change. This will be handled by the Assessor's office. Ed., Whitman - In all the planning and zoning has any consideration of the human element eg. retirement of older people been given? Have you looked at this? Ianie Peterson - Does the Met Council have any recommendations as to lot sizes? Response - The Met Council does not prescribe; it has guidelines for communities to follow. In Prime Ag areas low density is suggested. Vice -Chairman Novak closed the hearing at 9:L,5 p.m. Respectfully submitted, IGathleen Crombie, Recording Secretary