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HomeMy WebLinkAbout03-24-80 PZMLAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 24, 1980 Chairman Murphy convened the meeting at 7:35 p.m. Commissioners presents Halden, Michels,Prinoi, Lundquist, Dreher. Absents Crombie and Curran. Also present Administrator Whittaker.. MINUTES: Corrections to March 10, 1980 minutes - page 2, Tartan Meadows - 80 acres + or -, line 5, .,..sewer allows for 7500 sq. ft. lots, 10, 000 to 18, 000 sq. ft. +. Murphy moved, seconded by Prince, to approve the amended minutes of. March 10, 1980. Motion. carried 6-0. OLD :BUSINESS: A. Tartan Meadows - The Administrator read the defination of sanitary sewer :from the Orono City Code, which the City of Lake Elmo finds meeting the intent of sanitary sewer in the ordinance. The Code provides one acre of suitable soil per dwelling unit as minimum requirement where public sanitary sewer is not available or proposed in the Comprehensive Plan or Capital Improvement Plan. The Comp Plan does not expect the urban density proposed other than in the Old Village and Section 32. According to the Plan this density should not be allowed. The Administrator suggested the Commission consider the possibility of the City designing a project to outlet Little Sunfish and assess it against the property owners in Tartan Meadows, Midland Meadows, Cimarron and,Tartan Park. This could be initiated if the City could not be assured drainage plans will not handle the additional run-off. The Planning Commission agreed that the Comprehensive Plan should not be amended to allow the a-2 density until the water problems in the area can be resolved. They also were not in favor of R-1, sewered density, 2l,000 aq. ft. lots. All members agree with the density projection in the Comp Plan, 1* acres. Q,uenton Wood, Tartan Meadows, restated many of the sewer questions will have to he handled by the engineer. He feels this plan protects the City from requiring a central sewer system for the entire City, and are thinking ahead, avoiding replatting in the future, providing their own sewer and water, saving the expense of tearing up streets 10 to 15 years from now and better utilizing services to this area. The eaneensus of.the'Commission was that until the water problems in the City oan be resolved, and not with temporary pumping measures, the Comprehensive Plan land use should be followed. Murphy moved, seoonded by Prince, to deny approval of the Concept Plan for Tartan Meadows based on the density projections in the Comprehensive Plan, for this area. Motion carried 6-0, A straw ballot of the Planning Commission on density three members would not be opposed to i acre lots in this area provided no water problems existed, two would consider * acre lots with the same pro- vision and one feels the 1 acre should be adhered to. Water - problems being the flooding on Little Sunfish Lake and other lake and pending areas in this sub -watershed. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION, MARCH 24, 1980 TARTAN MEADOWS: The Commission also discussed the large area in Section 32, which provides sewer; and, encouraging urban development here. B. Site and Building Plan — Brooks Superette. Cimarron — Jack Welch, representing Kingston Corporation, went over the site and building plan for the superette and gas station. The first phase will be 2,656 sq. ft., 18 parking stalls + 5 stalls on the pump island. He indicated this amount of parking space is 2 to 3 times what is actually used. Phase two will add another 1540 sq. ft. parking will be increased from 23 to 48 stalls. Phase two will need approval at the time it is iniatiated. No ponding will be provided. Run—off will be handled on the surface of the site, and natural rim —off. Borings indicate a sand and gravel base. Phase two may require pending for run—off. One—fourth of the store is storage which would reduce the required parking, 'and possibly reduce the number of stalls required when phase two is built. This would eliminate the need for ponding at that time. The -Building Inspector will require a lighting plan for outside lighting. The parking surfaces and under the canopy areas will have the minimum mercury vapor .lighting. Lighting plans must be approved by the Building Inspector. The Commission wants commente from the City Engineer concerning drainage and run—off. Michels moved, seconded by Dreher, to recommend approval of _ the site and building plan for Brook's Supperette and gas station Phase one. This recommendation subject to approval of the Engineers review of the drainage for this area and the Building Inspectors approval of the lighting plan. Motion carried 6-0. *21 ELN R RICIIER'T — MINOR SUBDIVISION: Mr.. Richert owns* acres on. the south side *Amended 4/14/80 of Lake Jane Trail. They are divided into two parcels being 1 acre and 1i acres respectfully. Mrs. Thames wants -to purchase a parcel 1145acres in size, This would leave Mr. Richert 1 1/8 acres. Both these lots fit into the minimum lots sizes of the area. Michels moved, seconded by Murphy, to recommend a variance be granted to allow the simple lot subdivision of the Elmer Richert property. Each lot shall contain 1 1/8A and the new lot meet the two drainfield requirements. Motion oarried 6-0. The Certificate of Survey will have to reorganize these two lots, perc tests will have to be taken and indicate the two drainfield sites. C. Schedule Hearings — Prince moved, seoonded by Iialden, to schedule a Public Hearing the number of accessory buildings allowed in each zoning district,>or April 14, 1980, 7:45 p.m. Motion carried 6-0. Michels moved, seconded by Dreher, to schedule a Public Hearing on "grandfathering" one acre platted lot for April 14, 1980 at 8 p.m. Motion carried 6-0. Murphy moved, seconded by Michels, to schedule a Public Hearing on restricting mobile homes used for non—residential purposes,.for April lh, 1980, at 8:15 p.m. Motion carried 6-0, LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 24, 1980 -3- D. Haig way Plan 1. County roads 13 and 1,5 were omitted in the Comp Plan. The Commission decided to wait until the County submitts a plan for the alignment of County 13; but will schedule a hearing to amend the plan to include County 15. Murphy moved, seconded by Michels to schedule a hearing April 14, 1980, 8:30 p.m. amending the Lake Elmo Comprehensive Plan to include the designation of County Road 15. Motion carried 6-0. 2, Fire Protection - Ideal Avenue and Jaekvine Trail - The Administrator advised the Commission these two .roads are critical to -efficient and direst access to the frontage road area in Section 32 and the Hidden Bay Area,in7Tri=Lakea.: Consideration should be given.. to constructing these streets in the Highway Plan, Whittaker also reviewed, changes in the Highway Plan from the old Comp Plan and asked for suggestions to help develop an over-all Highway/Fire Protection Plan. This will be on the next agenda, April 14, for discussion. NEW BUSINESS: 1. Drainage Problems - The Commission agreed a comprehensive drainage plan should be developed to include the problem areas of Little Sunfish, Brookman Addition, the Old Village and Beutel'a Pond. Murphy moved, seconded by Lundquist, to recommend the City -Council give serious consideration to the development of a drainage plan in the areas of Little Sunfish, Brookman Addition, 01d Village and Beutels Pond. Motion:parried 6-0,' ---,,,. Requests for development in .these areas continue to come before the Commission;.and, they feel it is critical that these drainage problems be addressed.ae soon as possible. HOUSE MOVING: The Ordinance requires Planning Commission approval in order to move a structure, but does not require site information or fees for inspections. . Dreher moved, seconded by Michels, to recommend amending the Building Code to include a site plan, a -pre and post moving inspection of the structure, and a fee for same. Motion carried 6-0. PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: Chairman Murphy resigned his chairmanship as he is moving out of the City, Vice Chairman Michels will take over the chair. Michels strongly urged the commission to seek members to serve on the Planning Commission, Several names were submitted to fill the two vacancies and the alternate position. The Administrator will write these people and ask if they are interested in serving. ADJOURNMENT: 10:30. 7:30 P.M. 8:15 P.M. 8:45 P.M. (gift of !site f lme P.O. Box J Thirty-third and Laverne Avenue Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 777-5510 AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION March 24, 1980 0.1 ism imp Num. Meeting convenes Minutes Old Business A. Tartan Meadows Concept Plan B. Site and Building Plan --Brooks Superette, Cimarron C. Schedule hearings: 1. Limit number of accessory buildings 2. Grandfather one acre lots 3. Restrict mobile homes used for non-residential purposes 9:00 P.M. Break D. Highway Plan 1. County Road 13 & 15 2. Fire Protection a. Ideal Avenue b. Jackpine Trail 3. Others 9:30 P.M. New Business A. Richert's Minor Subdivision B. Comprehensive Plan Amendments 1. Drainage problems a. County Roads 70-17/Little b. Brookman Addition/ Sunfish Old Village c. Beutel Pond Sub -Watershed 2. Highways C. House Moving