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Home My WebLink About12-10-80 PZMLAKE LLMO PLANNING COMPIISSION MEETING, DFPEMBER 10, 1980 The Planning Commission met jointly with the Park Commission. Chairman Michels called the meeting to order at 7:36 p.m. ROLL CALL: Gifford, Dreher, Lundquist, Lyall, .Fraser. Also Administrator Whittaker. Sue Dunn from the Park Commission was also present. COMP PLAN COMMENTS: City Administrator, Larry Whittaker, reported that the City Council had accepted the recommendations of the Planning Commission on the Comprehensive Plan; and, that the Metropolitan Council had advised him that these comments were adequate for them to begin review of the Comprehensive Plan. TARTAN MEADOWS: Willard Morton advised the Administrator, barring some unforeseen circumstance, that the Preliminary Plat for Tartan Meadows would not be completed in time for the December 22 meeting. Therefore, the item will be put on the January 12 agenda. PRIVATE ROADS: Whittaker explained that the City Council had not formally adopted a policy on private roads or a minimum standard for public roads. He also advised them that the City Council had agreed to permit Everette Beaubien to have a private road so long as he maintained it for emergency vehicles. An agreement to main- tain the road (similar to Payne & Banisters') would require Beaubien to complete the simple lot division and would permit the City to take over the road should it not be maintained adequately. The Planning Commission asked the Administrator to advise the City Council that they would like a firm policy on private roads; so that they might deal with these requests in the future. POLICY P0R REDEVELOPMENT OF THE OLD VILLAGE: The Administrator expressed Jeanne Novak's interest in the Planning Commission discussing standards for the transition of the Old Village from Residential to Commercial. He suggested the Commission con- sider parking, on -site sewer problems, residential interim uses, and the like for the January 12 meeting. JOINT MEETING: At 8:02 p.m. the Park Commission joined the Planning Commission for a discussion of the over-all plan for the City Parks. PARK ADVISORY ROLL: Sue Dunn, Dave Morgan, Bill Osborn, Leo Gehloff, Dianne Trudeau and Al Martens (9:00 p.m.) The discussion followed the items outlined in the Administrator's memo. A. Park Aoouisition in Sections 28. 12. 33. 34. and 35 - The Park Commission does not feel any of these areas are developed enough, or have sufficient development projected, to warrant acquiring land for a City Park. The PAC would wait for population growth, at which time, neighborhood parks could be obtained through dedication. The feel recreational needs will be fulfilled by 6-7 acre neighborhood parks with Demontreville, Sunfish and Reid Parks providing accessibility to the large population centers in the City. B. Perpetual Maintenance of Recreation Areas at Cimarron and District 83h Schools - The PAC has not discussed continued existence of these recreation areas or assurances that they will be maintained as part of the overall recreation plan of the City, with Cimarron or District 834. The PAC has assumed that neither group will abandon their recreation areas. The PAC and PZC agreed that the park plan should encourage District 834 and Cimarron to continue their park and recreation facilities. JOINT PLANNING AND PARR COMMISSION MI!ThWING, DECEMBER 10, 1980 -2- C. Development Schedule for West Sunfish and Reid Park,- The Park Commission has not developed a plan for either park. Prince, Planning Commission, stated that neighbors around Reid Parlc want that park to remain undeveloped and are looking forward to the area survey. Morgan indicated that a survey may be done in early 1981. He reviewed the survey process and how the survey results affect the development of the park. The Park Commission reviewed a sample park development survey with the PZC. The Planning Commission would, like the Reid Park survey to include a choice of "No Development;; and, would, also, like to be notified when the survey le ready for distribution so they can review it. The Park Commission suggested using the Newsletter to notify residents who wish to oomment on Reid Park. West Sunfish Park - The PAC determined that it was too expensive to have a plan drawn for West Sunfish Parlc, Presently, there is no development planned, other than hiking, skiing and horse trails. Morgan suggested LAWCON money may be available to put a ball diamond in the flat area. D. Sunfish Lake Park - Additional Land Acquisition - Morgan reported on the ski trails and --the problems experienoed -by the_ Valley Branch pumping for Project 1005. He also reported on action by the PAC and Valley Branch to correct this situation. The Administrator asked if City policy should include acquiring additional right- of-way or property around Sunfish Lake. Presently, the PAC does not feel there is a need for additional park land around the lake. They do recem end that any additional acquisition Should be made by Valley Branch as Sunfish Lake has become a storage area for the Watershed District. The PAC is in favor of acquiring additional park land provided it is nctpaid for out of the Park Budget. F. Linking of Parks - The PAC does not feel that linking the parks by trails is economically feasible, desirable, or possible. The two Commissions discussed the advantages and disadvantages of such a proposal. The Administrator asked, if it were possible, would suoh linking be desirable. The PAC indicated that if an opportunity arose, they would have no objection; but, they are not in a position to pursue this with City Park funds. The Administrator said this should be viewed as access to the parks from neighborhoods, as opposed to connecting the parks; and if the PAO agreed this should be listed as a goal. The PAC explained the use of LAWCON money for park development and how it was used in developing trails in City Parks. Lundquist suggested the City look into available County money for trail development. F. Park Donation Poliov - The current policy provides for a cash donation on par - eels under 40 acres. The Administrator asked if the PAC would consider land acquisition in subdivisions under 40 acres and retain the parcel as, just, open area with no development. Morgan stated the Commission has no set policy on land acquisition and reviews each proposal on an individual basis. Bill Osborn read the General Policy Resolution (9-10-77). The Park Commission requested that all development concepts be submitted to them for review. The Planning Commission agreed. The Administrator requested a copy of all the PAC minutes. Mr. Osborn will see this is done. JOINT , PLANNING AND PARK COMMISSION M DINING, .ING, DESMI.'MBER 10, 1980 G, Capital Plan — The Commissions reviewed the Capital hand and the 5 Year Plan. Item 2 — Landsoaping Trails in 1984 will be put under the General Capital Fund for maintenance of all parks. The Park Commission requested suggestions from the PanmingCommission for the 20 Year Capital Plan. R. Shelter Worker — The PAC disoussed the applicants and recommended hiring Jody Eder, David Eder, and Ken Friedrioh. A list of duties will be drafted for the shelter worker. ADJOURNMENT 10:30 City of Lake Elmo NOTICE: There will be no regular Planning Commission Meeting December 8th. These few Agenda items can be handled at 7:30 p.m., Wednesday, December 10, 1980, before the Joint Meeting with the Park Commission. Planning Commission Agenda 7:30 P.M. -- Report, Comp. Plan Report, W. Morton Report,Private Roads-Beaubein JOINT MEETING LAKE ELMO PARK COMMISSION and PLANNING COMMISSION DECEMBER 10, 1980 -- 8:00 P.M. MEETING AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION HOCKEY BOARDS LAWCOM - 1981 SKI TRAILS - 1. SIGNING 2. GROOMING 1980 REVIEW MISCELLANEOUS To Planning Commission Members: RSVP to City Office, by 4:30 p.m. Monday, December 8, 1980, for this Joint Meeting. P, O. Box J / Thirty-third and Laverne Avenue / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 / 777-5510