HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-9-81 PZMCITY OF' LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 9, 1981
Chairman Michels called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL: Gifford, Lundquist, Dreher, Forsbald, Crombie, and. Prince.
MINUTES: January 26, 1981 — Correction, P. J. Crombie Estates, paragraph 3,,,,,
and concept approval for F. J. Crombie Estates on February 9, 1981....
Gifford moved, seconded by Prince to approve the minutes of January 26,
1981, as amended. Motion carried 7-0.
PUBLIC HEARSNG — REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR F. J. CROMBIE ESTATES:
camended 2/23 Chairman Michels opened the hearing at*'7:1i7 p.m.
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Bruce Folz reviewed the plat and asked the Commission for Preliminary
and Final Plat approval for the lst Addition. The 2nd Addition concept
is only for the Commission's information and shows how the remaining
property can be adapted and used.
The Commission discussed the outiots and would prefer they become part of
the deed of the corresponding lot. Michels questioned the joint access
proposed for lots 2-7, 2nd Addition. He feel this may cause problems
with. 5 owners. Also, he feels only one dock should be permitted.
Engineer Bohrer reviewed his report of February 5. He had no recommendations
for the 1st Addition, but expressed concern that no ponding is provided in
the plat. He feels the Planning Commission must address the question that
if the tat Addition Preliminary Plat is acceptable but the concept plan
for the 2nd Addition is not, will the preliminary plat approval for the
lsi: addition limit any alternatives available for the 2nd addition. He
then reviewed. the drainage and ponding of Demontreville Highlands 6th
Addition and how it relates to the Crombie plat.
Folz stated because of the terrain and the proximity of the property to
the road and the lake there is no adequate ponding area/but felt. the
development would utilize the natural drainageways that run through
the property. The Engineer is not advocating any particular approach
to,this.question, but asked what criteria and procedure the PZC would
base waiving the.ponding requirement.
The Engineer stated he would like additional oomments from Washington
County on driveway accesses, design cri.terial for oulverts on lots
bisected by the natural drainage way and information on future alignment
of. County 13.
The Commission and Engineer discussed dltation basins as a temporary means
of handling erosion during home construction.
Prince suggested rezoning and approving the plat for the 1st Addition and
reserve concept approval on the 2nd Addition until more information is
available about the ponding and County 13.
There was no audience comments.
Chairman Michels closed the hearing at 9:00 p.m.
CITY OF LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FIIL3RIJARY 9, 1981 —2—
Prince moved, seconded by Lundquist to recommend the City rezone 29A of
U. J. Crombie Estates from Rural Residential to R-1, ea herein described:
Tract H, Registered Land Survey 98, as recorded in the Office of the Registrar
of Titles, Washington County, Minnesota. And Tract B of Registered Land
Survey No. 91, except the East 135.5 feet of said Tract B.
Motion carried 5-1-1. Michels opposed. Crombie abstained. Michels stated
he favors the rezoning and the land use, but Would Pike-the'ponding
question answeredas well as the alignment of County 13.
Prince moved, seconded by Lundquist, to recommend the City Counci.l
approve the Preliminary Plat for the let Addition of the F. J. Crombie
Estates, with the stipulation that Lot 1 and Outlet A and Lot 2 and
Outlot B be combined and deeded as two lots. The outlots becoming
a part of the lot.
The PZC would like the Councils comments on the ponding question, and if
they fee], no additional ponding other than the natura], drainageways would
create -future problems in enforcing the ponding requirement.
Motion carried 5-141. Michels opposed. Crommie abstained
Michels reitterated his reasons for voting nay. He would like the Planning
Commission to review any drainage plans that may be proposed for this plat.
Engineer Bohrer will further study the drainage question and will contact
the County on their comments as previously discussed.
BROCKMAN AUDITION — OFFICE BUILDING: Kelly Brookman and Dave Loos presented a
plan for an office building at the end of LaVerne Avenue in the Brookman
Addition. The building is 74 x 118, two story, approximately 17,000 sq .
ft. with a future wing to the NW. The building will be located -at the
SW corner of the Laverne Avenue oul—de—sao. They propose a, driveway
hook—up with the Brookfield Building lot. The developers request the
City revise or alter the requirements on the size of parking -spaces, due
tell eny compact cars, they feel the size requirement should he:reduced,,,and the
number of parking spaces he based on the rentable space, rather than the
total square footage of the building, and the necessity of planting,or
landscape islands„ in the parking lot. They feel these areas hinder snow
plowing and look unsightly after being hit by snow plows,
Crombie asked for a detailed landscape plan for the building and parking
area. He would like to see some berms put up to bring down the':
height of the building, also provide screening of the large parking area.
The Planning Commission would like the following addressed before further
consideration of the proposal:
1. Landscape drawing for the south and east side of the building
2. The necessity of, islands in the parking area
3. Size of parking spaces
L. Number of parking spaces required in relation to rentable space in
the building.
5. Comments from the Ehgineer and Planner
The Commission discussed run—off, Mr. Brookman indicated all the water will
drain into a ditch along LaVernq to the culvert under 21R then downstream,
LOT SURVEYS: The Commission discussed the proposed Ordinance requiring lot surveys.
The Commission requests the Council give the Plannin,' Commission an opportunity
to review and comment on the ordinance before final approval,
ADJOURNMENT: 10:30 p.m.
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LAKE
AELMO
City of Lake Elmo
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P. 0. Box J / Thirty-third and Laverne Avenue / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
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AGEN➢A
PLANNING COMMISSION
February 9, 1981
Meeting convenes
Minutes, Jan. 26 meeting
Public Hearing --Rezoning and
Preliminary Plat for
F. J. Crombie Estates
Site and Building Plan--Brookman Addition
-other
-Administrator's Report:
A. Tartan Meadows
B. Klawitter