HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-22-82 PZMLAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 22, 1982
Chairman Michels called the meeting to order at 7:42 p.m.
Commissioners present: Dreher, Nazarian, Lyall, Mazzara and
Lundquist. Excused absence: Gifford, Moe and Prince.
1. MINUTES:
M/S/P Lyall/Nazarian to approve the minutes of February 8.
2. ED GORMAN - REVIEW VARIANCE FROM STREET SET BACK FOR RESTAURANT
EXPANSION AND SITE PLAN FOR EXPANSION:
Mr. Gorman is proposing to expand the White Hat Restaurant and
is requesting a variance from the front yard setback. 50' from r-o-w
is required, 33 feet is requested. I-Ie reviewed the setbacks of
structures on adjacent property; and will provide a detailed
map indicating setbacks and structures along Highway 5 for the
Council. The parcel is 75 ft. from the center line of Hwy. 5.
The new addition will be 33' x 46'6". The size of the entire
restaurant will then be 61', across the front x 46'6". The
parking area will be reoriented to the east and south of the
building and provide 83 parking spaces. The front and west
side of the building will be landscaped. Gorman outlined the
location of the present drainfield site and the location of a
new site. A holding pond is proposed at the south east corner
of the parking lot. Total land area of the site is approximately
6 acres.
--Dreher - an alternate drainfield site will need to be identified,
--Gorman = an alternate site can be identified south of the restaurant.
Mr. Gorman noted that even with the variance he will be further
back from the right-of-way than any of the adjacent property or
buildings; and that his parcel has the largest right-of-way of
any adjacent property or buildings. There is 140' of r-o-w
in front of the restaurant.
--Dreher - questioned the possiblity of Co 17 being extended
as a through street - the addition would eliminate any chance
of a road extension.
--Whittaker - there ha'snever been a plan to extend a road
south through this parcel. This plan will not effect opening
a street south of the Gorman property. Does not see any other
problems - parcel will have a greater setback than any other
building in the area. Code provides for averaging set backs -
this request:would be within the average setback if a line were
drawn between the Schiltgen barn to the west and the Riemenschneider
house (MSI Insurance building) to the east.
--Dreher - questioned,if he is within the average setback provided
in the Code, the necessity of a variance. Code give him the "go ahead"
--Whittaker will verify the 'averaging' 'provision with the City
Attorney to determine if a variance is required.
M/S/ Dreher/Nazarian to recommend approval of a variance to permit
a 33 ft. front yard variance from Highway 5 right-of-,Way,based on
the following considerations:
1. The 33ft. setback is within the limit of the "average" setback
of adjacent buildings, as provided by the City Code.
2. The Gorman property is at the widest part of the roadway for
Highway 5.
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2. GORMAN VARIANCE - Motion continued -
3. The location and angle of the existing building is a limiting
factor for expansion.
4. Setbacks in commercial/business areas, all through town, vary
in distance.
5. The proposed design provides a safer traffic flow.
6. The proposed expansion enhances the aesthetics of the area.
Discussion:
--Dreher - recommended approaching Mn/DOT on installing turn lanes
on the south side ot'-Highway 5 into the White Hat, and on the north
side of Highway 5 onto County 17 (by Lake Elmo Elementary School).
--Gorman - in response to a question about eliminating the 6'6"
vestibule/entry, Gorman indicated the addition would still fall
in the right-of-way area, putting the additon to the east of the
existing building would create problems with entering the parking
area - would create a dog -leg traffic pattern.
Motion carried 6-0.
Should the City Attorney determine a variance is not necessary,
the proposal will go to the Council for preliminary site review.
3. CODE REVISIONS:
A. 300-22 - 301.060 D.4.
300-25 -
300-24 -
B. Frontage
300-7 -
300.7 -
300-67
301.060 E.4. -
301.060 D.8.10a,12-
on Public Street
#61
#83
Add "City Administrator shall call
public hearings".
Same as above
Leave 8. & 10a as is, delete 12
- Delete reference to private road.
- Same as above
- Add Sec. 1 to 301.090 to cover
frontage on a public street.
Sec. 1 - "all lots or parcels shall
have direct adequate physical access
for emergency vehicles along the
frontage of the lot or parcel on a
dedicated and approved public roadway
to the width derived from applying
the lot width requirement in each
zoning district.
C. "_Screening and Parking Islands
Whittaker suggested the Commission form a committee to review the
landscape/screening requirements of area communities.
--Lyall - recommended getting a cost estimate to retain a
professional in this field to develop a plan.
--Whittaker - will cnntact City Planner, Rob Chelseth, for help
in possibly finding a university student who would be interested
in working with the Commission on developing a landscape criteria.
Nazarian offered to review the material and work on the committee.
D. Shoreland Ordinance
300-48 - amend the Ordinance, once a sewer
regulation is adopted, to require
compliance with WPC-40.
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Shoreland Ordinance Continued -
300-48 - Add the following statement:
"The strictest provision
of the City Code prevails
where there is a discrepancy
between the Shoreland Ord.
and another section of the Z.O.
300-55 - 301.080 C.4 - include "recreational facilities" after
'common open space' and 'open space'.
300-63 - 301.080 E.3.d.(1) - Correct State to Stage.
300-72 - 301.130 C.14.c. - amend wording to say "cannot have an
accessory building over 1,000 sq. ft.
in residential (R-1) area".
--Dreher - questioned the size of accessory buildings in Rural Resident.
Feels 2,000 sq. ft, on a 10 acre parcel may be too restrictive. In
this large lot area (10A) a larger building can be compatible to
the area. People buy large lots because they need more space,
for whatever reason, and should not be restricted as though they
have an 1 1/2 acre lot. Larger building would enable them to store
vehicles, recreational equipment, e.g. boats, and 'junk'. Better
inside a building rather than outside. Recommended permitting a
maximum of 4,000 sq. ft. for an accessory building in RR; and
on parcels over 10 acres or between 10 and 20 acres, prorate the
size of the building square footage. Agreed with the 1000 sq.ft.
limit in R-1.
M/S/ Dreher/Maza.ara to recommend amending the Zoning Ordinance
to permit up to two accessory buildings, with a maximum of 4,000
combined sq. ft. on a 10A parcel in RR.
Motion carried 5-1. Lundquist opposed.
The Commission generally agreed that there should be no limit on
building size in Ag on parcels over 10 acres.
300-71 - 301.130 C.9.
- agreed with past recommendation to
eliminate the need for variance -
Code is clear on when a garage may
be located in front of the principal
building.
4. STREET LIGHTS:
Whittaker reported that the deputies expressed no problems with
the hi4h.,pressure sodium lights. He reviewed the cost differences
between mercury and sodium lights. He also explained NSP policy and
charges for installing lights within a development. The only way
the City can get around the monthly charge is to own the system,
then,the only NSP charge is for replacement bulbs and power.
--Nazarian - the City should not bear the brunt of construction
and/or installation.
The Commission agreed that the;staida-rds_set forth;by the
City Engineer in his memo of February 4, 1982, should be
incorporated into the present Street Lighting Requirement.
ADJOURNMENT: 9:45 p.m.
At
City of Lake Elmo
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
February 22, 1982
in the
(FIRE HALL)
7:30 P.M. --Meeting convenes
1. Minutes of Feb. 8, meeting
2. Ed Gorman -review Variance from
street set back for restaurant
expansion and site plan for expansion
8:00 P.M.--3. Code revisions
A. Page
300-22
300-25
300-24
Section
301.060D.4
301.060E.4
301.060D
Item/Comment
Calling hearings
1I IT
8, 10a, 12 - resolve
conflicts on annual renewal
B. Frontage on public street
Page 300-7 #61 - change to public street only
##83 - ditto
300-67 Add Section I to 301.090 "all
lots or parcels shall have direct
adequate physical access for emergency
vehicles along the frontage of the lot
or parcel on a dedicated and approved
public roadway to the width derived
from applying the lot width require-
ment in each zoning district.
C. Screening and parking islands
Submit suggestions from other cities to
sub -committee to review for Sections: 301.070 D7d (3)
8d (3)
9d (3)
301.130 E. 4 f
and g
D. Complete review of Jan. 11 memo from page 300-48 on
4. Street light standards
P. 0. Box J / Thirty-third and Laverne Avenue / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 / 777-5510