HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-14-82 PZMLAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1982
Vice Chairman Prince called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
Commissioners in attendance: Peterson, Lundquist, Nazarian, Dreher and
Mazzara (7:40 p.m.) Absent: Michels, Moe, Gifford and Lyall. Also
present Administrator Whittaker and Councillor Mottaz.
1. MINUTES: April 26 and May 24, 1982 -
May 24, 1982 - Correction - ° Minutes - May-1April 26 -
M/S/P Nazarian/Peterson to approve the minutes of April 26, 1982,
as amended. Motion carried 3-2. Dreher and Prince abstained.
April 26, 1982 -
M/S/P Peterson/Nazarian to approve the minutes of April 26, 1982.
Motion carried 4-0-1. Dreher abstained.
2. HEARING SCHEDULE:
A. Bloomquist/Popov - Rezoning and CUP to con'stru'ct 'a Hang Glider
Warehouse - --
The Commission reviewed the additional material provided by
Mr. Popov on the rezoning and use, as -requested by the PZC.
Whittaker reported that, in the opinion of the City Attorney,
this request can be permitted by a CUP in General Business.
M/S/P Dreher/Lundquist to schedule a public hearing an June 28, 1982,
at 7:45 p.m., for John E. Bloomquist to consider a rezoning from
Rural Residential to General Business and a Conditional Use Permit
to permit a warehouse for hang gliders in a GB zone, on property
described as that part of the southerly 600 ft. of the east 1/2 of
the the southwest 1/4 of Section 36, on Highway 94 - 730 feet
east of White Wolf.
B. Flea Market CUP at Vali-Hi Drive -In -
Request for a CUP for an Open Sales Lot to operate a Flea
Market in Vali Hi Drive -In Parking Lot by the St. Croix
Rivermen Drum and Bugle Corp.
M/S/P Dreher/Mazzara to schedule a public hearing June 28, 1982,
at 8:15 p.m. to consider a CUP,for the St. Croix Rivermen Drum
and Bugle Corp, for an Open Sales Lot to operate a Flea Market
in the Vali Hi Drive -In Parking Lot.
C. Large Lot Subdivision for H. Kenneth Neudahl, 9150 Jane Rd. N.-
Request to split a 34 acre parcel into two lots, Parcel A being
13.0 A and Parcel B being 21,3A.
M/S/P Nazarian/Mazzara to schedule a public hearing June 28, 1982,
at 8:45 p.m. to consider a Large Lot Subdivision for H. Kenneth
Neudahl.
Discussion -
-- Whittaker - explained that 14A of Lot B was purchased from
Bruce Hill, who recently subdivided property to the east of this
parcel. Neudahl's combined this with their 20A parcel and are
proposing a 13 and 21acre subdivision. There is an existing
house on Parcel A. Neudahl's want to build :.a new home on Parcel
B.
CITY rJF
LAKE
- ' ELMO
City of Lake Elmo
MEMO
T0: The Planning Commission
FR: Larry Whittaker
DT: June '22, 1982
777-5510
3880 Laverne Avenue North / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
RE: AMENDMENT TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
CC: Planning Commission, City Council,
Rob Chelseth, Larry Bohrer,
Admin., Sec'y.
The completion of the 201 Facilities Plan for Wastewater Treatment (sewer) in
Lake Elmo makes some of the language in the Comp. Plan obsolete - and some in -
relevant. Therefore, in order to bring the Plan up to date and to meet Metro-
politan guidelines, the City must consider amendments to the Comp. Plan.
After reviewing the Plan, I recommend the following amendments:
1. On page 53, delete references to "additions to Metropolitan sewer
system" and possibility that Oak -Land Jr. High may be treated at Cimar-
ron. Neither is now planned. (See corrected page 5j attached to Memo.)
2. Delete pps. 55, 56, 57 , 58 and 59...entirely. Once the 201 study was
completed, all these old sewer studies and plans are irrelevant. We
are no longer considering these studies or the alternatives they presented.
3. At the end of Section IX. on page 60, we should add a summary of the 201
plan. This explain3 that on -site sewers are the best alternative for
solving the sewer problems and that sanitary sewers/Metropolitan sewers
are not planned. (See summary of 201 attached to Memo.)
4. On page 85, paragraph 2 under "The Location and Timing of Sanitary
Sewer Service" should be amended to reflect that the 201 study is done,
that we do not expect any major development in Section 32 until 1-94
is complete (in 1985), that NO extensions of Metropolitan sewers are
projected before 1990, and that private developers will have to petition
for and pay for any City trunk sewers. The City has no plan to extend
trunk sewers.
5. On page 85, the Section on "Selection of Commercial and Industrial
Uses", both the first and third paragraphs should be amended to reflect
our expectation that there will be sewered commercial/industrial develop-
ment in Section j2.
6. Page 87, the last paragraph, should be amended to reflect commercial and
industrial development in Section 32.
7. On pps. 95 and 96, the entire Section on MUSA Line should be amended
to reflect the new sewer flow projections (i.e. 1500 residents on sewer
by 1990 in Section J2, 1000 population equivalent units of sewer for
commercial/industrial development in Section 32, and 1,200 peu of sewer
for the waste to energy plant in about 1985. We can probably say we
expect no trunk sewers to be built before 1985 - before I-94 in completed.)
We should also continue to make the statement that we expect the Waste
Control Commission to continue to reserve the 6,000 peu for property
owners in Section 32, as they have paid for it. We project that 3,700
peu will be used before 1990 and the remaining 2,500 units will be used
before 2,000.
8. Page 99 should be amended to reflect that we will have adopted the
new County Model Ordinance for an -site sewers before the plan review is
complete and that we have adopted a wetland protection ordinance already.
PLANNING COMMISSION, JUNE 14, 1982 -2-
C. Neudahl - Continued
Mrs:—Neudahl - plan to tear down structure on Parcel A after
the new home is constructed.
--Whittaker - the east 30 ft: of right-of-way for the future
extension of Jerome to Foxfire was dedicated by Bruce Hill,
this should also be secured for the west 30 ft. from the
Neudahls.
--D. L. Peck, Votel Development - working with the Neudahl's
and looking to rezone both parcels to R-1 in the future (property
is presently zoned RR). Would be willing to dedicate the
30 ft. right-of-way provided it is determined from an
engineering standpoint that this is the best location for
the road. Not sure the extension of Jerome will provide the
best traffic pattern.
--Whittaker - unless the Neudahl's have a plan showing something
different the City would want the west 30 ft. of right-of-way
for Jerome.
Motion carried 6-0.
8, ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT:
A. Ordinance on Commission Consecutive Terms - Whittaker reported
on the Council's decision to waive the two year maximum term
requirement for PZC members provided the total number of years
served by the entire Commission is less than four years.
B. Zoning Amendments - Whittaker reported that the Council
accepted all the Zoning Amendment recommendations except
the increased size for accessory buildings,on 10A parcels.
This will remain as defined in the present Ordinance.
3. SHAEER MINING PERMIT - Cancelled, Shafer withdrew its request
to crush rock at its mining site off of Jamaca.
4. PLANNING IN SECTION 32:
A. Waste to Energy Plant - Administrator Whittaker introduced
Floyd Forsberg and Don Krebs, whose firm,Henningson, Durham
& Richardson, Inc, does design, engineering and consultant
work on energy plants throughout the United States. They are
presently working with Dakota County and the City of St. Paul,
and with Ramsey/Washington County. Lake Elmo is one of four areas,
out of 11 potential sites, being considered for an energy plant.
The proposed plant will sell steam to the 3M center with the
potential to sell electricity to NSP at a future time.
Mr. Krebs presented a slide review of energy plants he recently
visited in Europe. He explained their,operation, exterior
appearance, cost, etc.
Commission and Audience Comments and Concerns:
--Commissioner Dreher - who is responsible for the clean-up of
refuse along the roadways into the plant - the City or the plant?
-Don Krebs - plant would be responsible for cleaning up the area,
--No defined.,site in Lake Elmo as yet; but the approximate location
would be north of 4th Street - south of Minnehaha - next to 694.
--Councillor Prince - will all MPCA standards for air pollution be met.
--Don Krebs - an Enviormental Impact Statement will be prepared on
the facility. All standards will be addressed during the 15-24 month
preparation period.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, June 14, 1982 -3-
A. Waste/Energy, Plant -Continued -
- -Plant will operate 24 hours per day, 365 days per year. Trucks
will deliver material 5 1/2 days per week - peak hours of delivery
are 9-10 a.m. and 374 p.m. There would be some later deliveries
from commercial haulers. Trucks would be 4-6 ton refuse packers.
150-200 vehicles per day would come in on delivery days with_10
truck loads of ash leaving the site each day. Ash trucks will be
covered. A 9 ton road is required.
--Dreher - Helmo is a 4-5 ton road - who will bear the cost to
upgrade Helmo to 9 ton?
--Tom Armstrong - who will haul material to the plant?
- -Krebs - presently 100 independent haulers in the area - this
will have to be narrowed down. Presently it is considerably
more expensive to dispose of refuse at an energy plant; but
feel that by 1986 the cost will be competitive with landfill
disposal costs. Ash disposal - proposing a sanitary landfill
as a disposal means.
--Resident - questioned property valuation within a mile of the
plant,
--Krebs - in the immediate area it would be a depressive factor
for residential - for commercial/industrial it would be a stimulus.
--Resident - would there be on -site storage for ash residue?
--Krebs - not proposing any ash processing on site. Would not
have a slag pile on -site. Ash removal trucks would be hauling
6 days a week. Night traffic would be minimized.
--Resident - who makes up the work force?
--Krebs - out of 50 employees 10-15% would be identified specialists -
- -Slurry Storage for wet scrubbers -
out of a 10A site about lA would be needed for a slurry pond
Fuel Oil would be used to preheat the burning chambers.
Need the cooperation of the local communities in order to
obtain a site and implement the project.
B. Sewer Planning With Property Owners - Section 32 -
Whittaker informed the property owners that the City has to
identify the amount of sewer that will be used between now and
1990. This is required by the Met Council before they will
begin review of the City's Comp Plan. The 201 Study determined
that Section 32 is the only area where sewer would be needed.
Of the City's 6,000 reserved units, only 2500 can be justified,
based on present population projections and the 201 Study.
Property, owners were asked to notify the City if they had any film
development plans that would require sewer and the number of units
such plans would require, so that the City could include the
anticipated units in the sewer needs section of the Comp Plan.
The City cannot reserve units that have no identified use.
--Dreher - once 4th Street is built, providing better access to
Section 32, development plans may change, especially is the
economy turns around.
--Dave Johnson - ConnCo.- if the City commits to the 2500 units,
could the remaining 3,500 units be requested as development needs
arise?
--Whittaker - plan can be amended to provide for additional sewer
units, but options narrow as time goes on. The Energy Plant,
without the wet scrubbers, could require 1,000 units.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1982 -4-
B. Sewer Plan - Section 32 - Continued
--Douglas DeCoster, property owner/developer - owns a 25A parcel
NE of Conn Co. - would like to petition for sewer now - feels this
would help open up the area.
--Whittaker - to date, the City has not financed this type of
improvement - it has been left up to the individual to make the
improvements.
None of the property owners present indicated that they have
firm development plans; but expressed concern about the availability
of sewer units that they have been assessed for.
5. COMPREI3ENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS:
A. Sewer -
As there are nb existing development plans for Section 32 and
based on the 201 Study results and the Comp Plan projections
for 50-60 A of commercial development and 1200 population
increase, Whittaker recommended that the Commission hold a
public hearing to amend the Comp Plan to indicate sewer
capacity at 2500 units and request an additional 1,000 units
for the Waste/Energy Plant; and indicate that Metropolitan
sewer will not exceed the boundaries of Section 32, as determined
by the completion of the 201 Study.
--Prince - the ;amendment should indicate that residents of Sec. 32
have been assessed for 6,000 sewer units.
M/S/P Nazarian/Mazzara to schedule a public hearing to consider
an amendment to the Comp Plan relating to sewer units for
June 28, 1982, at 9:15 p.m., if possible. Motion carried 6-0.
B. Adjustments to Area of Planned R-1 Development -
--Lundquist - recommended the Commission initiate a.review of
City standards to establish building suitability of existing lots
as determined by the results of the 201 Study,
6. SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CHANGES:
Whittaker noted two areas of the ordinance that need clarification:
1. Subdivision of property via Large Lot and Simple Lot Subdivisions
Mayor Eder recommended setting a limit on the number of
subdivisions an owner can make on a given parcel before
requiring a plat.
2`, The Ordinance does not provide for subdivision of lots under
five acres unless they are platted or on a Registered Land
Survey.
M/S/P Prince/Mazzara to table consideration of the subdivision
clarifications ur.til June 28. Motion carried 6-0.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1982 -5-
7. LANDSCAPE STANDARDS:
The Commission reviewed Administrator Whittaker and Commissioner
Nazarian''s memo of June 11 re Landscaping Standards, and had
the following comments:
1. Sec. 301.130 E. 4. f. - should reflect the 35 ft. buffer
requirement.
--Lundquist - where residential exists across from a commercial
area - the commercial area should be landscaped with parking
provided at the rear of the building.
--Whittaker - will discuss landscape requirements for existing
commercial with the City Attorney.
2. Industrial Property - a buffer zone should be required
between Commercial/Industrial and Residential in areas where
the zones are separated by a street. No matter how wide the
street there should be a required buffer.
3. Fences/Walls - 5 ft. walls/fences be required.
4. Driveway screening - Leave Ordinance as is.
5, Loading Docks - screening should be required.
6. Roof mechanical equipment - should be screened
7. Time limit - the developer will have two growing seasons to
guarantee the landscaping.
8, Exterior Storage - retain present ordinance standard
9. General Requirements - use section 1506 of the City Code
in place of .03 B. 1. in draft and retain items 2-5 of draft.
10. Percentage of screening - require 15% of the area to be screened,
Administrator Whittaker will prepare a final draft of the ordinance
for recommenation to the City Council.
--Dreher - recommended constacting the Sheriff about pros and cons
of extensive screening.
ADJOURNMENT: 10:55 p.m.
ADDENDUM TO JUNE 14, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
Waste to Eneryy .- Comments, Questions and Answers -
--Mazza/a - what is the cost of such a project?
--Forsberg - status of the project are presently negotiating
with 3M, along with the siting process and the size of the facility,
and zeroing in on the smaller range - 600 tons per day- depending
on when it can be started and where the plant :i4 the capital cost
will run from $45,000,000 to $55,000,000. Bonded cost would be 600
higher. Tipping fees on the smaller facility would range from
$35 to $40 per ton, 1986 price.
--Prince - how many acres of land would the 600 ton facility need?
- -Forsberg - the bare plant site area would be 8-10 acres, per the
sketch in the packet. Looking at minimum site area of 20 acres, total.
Minimum 10 plant acres, preferableo20
- -Prince - how many exployees?
--Porsberg - this is up to the rnanfac'turer - generally this size plant
employs about 50 persons.
--Prince -• is the number of trucks per day, 300 per day, in relation
to tie 600 ton capacity.
--Forsberg - yes. The range being dealt with, is between 15C and 200 in -coming
vehicles per day, these vehicles being packer trucks, during the 51/2 days
of in --coming delivery. Also have the employee parking - 50 people
working three shifts - and 10 ash trucks going out from the plant.
--Dreher - from your experience - what do roadways look like from these
200-300 trucks per day?
--Forsberg - trucks coming in will be packer trucks - will not accept
any uncovered vehicles. Working toward to get a facility in place,
is through procurement by a private sector. The project sponsor,being,
the two counties and the district, would fit together a RFP, to
receive proposals for design built, owned and operated facility. People
running it could be Waste Management,UOP, PFI, or the like„- very
reputable firms that do not want community upheaval because of blowing
papers. Do not let anyone bid on this size facility that does not
have a fairly substantial background.
--Dreher - noticed on the slides that there is litter laying around
--Forsberg - this is the reason for enclosing the tipping floor_
Generally there are two access doors and perhaps two exit doors to -
the tipping floor area - might have 6-8 bays where the trucks would
back into the pit and drop off the refuse,
- -Don Krebs - ran the Pine Bend Landfill for three years - problems
were not from the refuse haulers or the big over the road trucks, but
from the private individuals and the communities who permitted
open trailers to be brought in. This was discouraged as they
interferred with the operation. Are going to attempt to discourage
private haulers -as much -as -possible at this site.
- -Dreher - sure private individuals will want to and may come into this
place even though you try to discourage them. Question is, who is
cleaning up refuse on the road. Is this left up to the City or the
individual property owners along the road or does the operator of the
plant come out once a day or once a week and pick it up.
--Krebs - in Pine Bend the operator(s) did. We policed it.
- -Forsberg - one thing about the Lake Elmo site is that the primary access
is off of 694 -Le Minnehaha and there is not much traffic back, around
and through City streets, etc.
- -Dreher - on the Lake Elmo site - do you plan on using 694 to Minnehaha
and then Helmo Ave. Lives right there, therefore, the concern about
refuse. Would be there monitoring what it would look like - would be
a particular neighbor.
-2-
ADDENDUM TO JUNE 14, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
--Dreher - do you have a specific site plan. Where is the proposed
plant in relation to Minnehaha off of Helmo Avenue?
- -Forsberg - no specific site plan right now. General area being
looked at isnorthof the powerlines and south of Minnehaha. Will
have to stay clear of the swamp and wetland areas. Would be north
of 4th Street. Possibility that 4th would be used as an access street.
Not all traffic would come up 694.
--Prince - which site has the highest priority?
--Forsberg - presently have established a siting committee involving
County Commissioners and representatives from the various cities.
Down to the four sites and will up to the committee to rank and
determine the best site. Personally recommended Condemnation of
Site K, because it is the cheapest by $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 on
capital costs. Wordcondemnationin Ramsey County does not float,
therefore, are into the siting process. In all likelyhood Site K
will be very difficult to get ahold of. Investigations have determined
that thelDNR has an agreement with 3M that they can only develop
1/2 of the wetland shoreline in that area - there is an old riverbed
where the soils are not very good. Visibility of that plant impacts
a whole lot of people so it will be a difficult site to secure.
--Prince - assume that for the size of the plant it will meet the MPCA
standards for air pollution - do not want the neighbors down there
suffering from air pollution problems.
- -Forsberg - been in contact with the PCA and Met Council. Some of the
preliminary documents being developed now will be the basis for an
Environmental Impact Statement. There will be an EIS on this size and
type of facility. The enviornmental and permitting process will take
a minimum of 15 months and could take as long as two years. Will
meet every standard during this process. At this stage in other
projects are providing space for wet scrubbers. Right now these are
not required in the United States. Many grumblings from the EPA
about taking a look at the need for wet scrubbers and whether or not
they should be provided. Economically they are a down side factor
for a plant. If had to put them in now, fear the economics would be
a real problem.
--Nazarian - what is the difference in efficiency between electrostatic
precipitators and wet scrubbers?
- -Forsberg - wet scrubbers are designed to take out some of the gaseous
emissions rather than the particulates. To date,have not had to put
wet scrubbers in on these types of facilities in the U.S.
- -Dreher - what is emitted from the stack --chemical wise? Is sulphur
ash emitted?
--Forsberg - the sulphur dioxide levels in the discharge of these types
of facilities are generally less than burning #6 fuel oil. Yes,
a sulphur ash is emitted. The report being compiled for the siting
task force has an estimate of those kinds of emissions from similar
facilites. To date, have not held down the ash final size of this
facility, and won't until 3M comes across. The siting document
has a breakdown of those materials.
--Dreher - would the trucks be running 24 hours per day?
--Forsberg - the facility operations would be 24 hours per day. Truck
deliveries of refuse are generally 5 1/2 days. Peak times are from
9 - 10 a.m. and from 2t30 to 3:30 p.m. - May be some late comers
at 8 or 9 p.m. May be some late night runs from industrial waste
haulers. Some commercial haulers like to haul on weekends and even
holidays. The bulk of the traffic will be during the peak time period
during daylight hours. The facility capacity, the name plate, would
be about 600 tons of refuse per day. The average truck hauls 4-6 tons,
a typical 20 yard packer.
-3-
ADDENDUM TO JUNE 14, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
- -Dreher - what kind of a roadbed ,does this take?
--Forsberg - 9 ton.
- -Dreher - Helmo is a 4 or 5 ton bed. This would have to be
upgraded - who would bear this cost?
--Tom Armstrong - if this operates 12 months a year, what do you
do with the steam in the suiumtertime?
- -Forsberg - 3M has steam turban absorption coolers. Have an
energy load in the summer. The facility is sized for those dips
during the spring and fall when there i.s a minimum of cooling and
heating. Econmically have to sell as much steam as possible -
the facility will be sized according to the energy use projections
of 3M. Would have a constant customer with 3M. One of the
criteria in the siting is to look at possible future development
that would utilize the steam; but presently do not have any other
major energy market. Electricity is always a possiblity, but not
right now.because small use generators rules and regulations are
not in place right now so NSP would only give a minimum price for
the electricity generated. Cost for running direct burial steam
lines is about $500-$600 a lineal foot. Shortest steamline from
Site K to the power plant is about $1.8 million the longest route
from Site D and an alternate route to D down to Highway 12 and back
up is about $7.8 million. Need a site to implement the project -
cannot get a site without the cooperation of the local communities.
Will identify the site and implement the project on that site if
possible. Likes site D or G. Site D is in Section 32. "D" is
probably the only site that has some potential for commercial/
industrial development, and possible future energy users. Understand
there is an industry that is proposed to locate north of Minnehaha
north of Secti.on 32.
- -Nazarian - has your company been involved in the implementation
and running of a plant this size in the U.S.
- -Forsberg - one facility in Saugaus,Mass. that was put up by
Browning Ferris Industries as a totally private venture. Working
in the Clearwater, Fla. area on a facility that is 1200 tons per
day and has three furnaces - at the 85% constructed level. Tampa
is in the process of final negotiations. Havrowe , Mass. is a
different type of plant - they shred the refuse, then burn it, bonds
were sold three weeks ago. Involved in about 1.5 billion dollars
worth of construction in this area. Firm was involved in the
shred/burn facility in Ames, Iowa. Pinelus, Tampa, Havrowe,
- -Armstrong - regarding the haulers - what do they pay, what is the
system?
- -Forsberg - some 100 haulers in the area - somehow have to
contract for or direct the flow of revenue to the plant, Once
this is done they would pay a tipping fee on a per ton basis at
the door. This would be identified in the proposal. This source
of revenue amounts to about 1/3 of the total amount of revenue
generated. 2/3 of the revenue is generated from the sale of the
steam generated at the plant. Sale of steam is based on some
level of existing fuel prices. This will be more expensive than
dumping the refuse in a landfill. In this area today a hauler at
the landfill pays about $9,50 a ton - dealing with a client in Wi,
in EauClaire County who has what is called "new generation" in
landfills with collection system liners, controlled access,
controlled operations, etc. Their costs are pushing $20 per ton
at the gate. Landfill prices over the last 10 years have gone
up at an average rate of 15-20% per year in this area. Feel
confident that by 1986 energy plants may be still slightly higher
than landfills but will be in the ballpark.
ADDENDUM TO JUNE 14, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
- -Armstrong - what do you do with the ash?
--Forsberg - the ash at this point is proposed to go to a sanitary
landfill. The State, Mn/DOT, Met Council are all doing studies
on ash from these types of facilities and a determination will
be made down the road as to what requirements will be necessary.
10 trucks per day will be hauling out ash - or 5-10% of the in-
coming volume - on weight basis, between 20 & 30% of the incoming
weight will be outgoing as ash. Presently a weak market for
these types of ferrous metals - have not counted this in the
revenues. Some of the metals are destroyed in the burning process.
Aluminum is generally not recoverable after this process. Will
encourage source separation.
- -Section 32 resident - what does this do to property valuation
within 1 mile of the plant in any direction?
--Forsberg - have to recognize exactly what type of facility this is.
In the immediate area, for residential property, it would probably
be a depressive factor. Commercial - feel it would be a stimulus.
--Ralph Hildebrandt - 7703 loth Street - would the ash removal trucks
proceed directly to the ash disposal site or would there be on -site
storage for a time?
--Forsberg - on -site storage at most plants is provided in a pit.
No proposing any ash processing facility; but would hope to leave
this open for the vendor. No on -site slag pile would be stored
on -site.
--Hildebrandt - how about. ferrous.
--Forsberg - todays market is very weak, its marginal to try and
pull it out of the ash. Would start up without identifying those
revenues.lf the vendor wanted to try and do it then would probably
try and work ..'for a way where he could pull these out.
Probably would be hauling 6-7 days a week to get rid of the slag.
Proposal can stipulate the hours of hauling.
- -Hildebrant - will the work force be specialists - are the maintenance
and operators people you bring in or are they local people that
will be hired - can you pinpoint people in this local who could
be hired?
--Forsberg - out of the 50 employees 10 to 15% would be identified
specialists that the vendor would bring in. These would be the
management people and the boiler operators, etc. The type of
people.)they like to see in these facilities are marine boiler
engineers - people on Navy ships who had to make their facilities
run to get home. Feel these types of people can be found in the
Twin Cities market.
--Hildebrandt - if you go to wet scrubbers you will need slurry
storage. How many acres of slurry storage would be needed
Ear this size facility?
--Forsberg - looking at the Tampa proposal - this had about one
acre dashed off for future slurry ponding on a 10 acre site.
At this point wet scrubbers are not being considered for this
site, as they are not required any where in the U. S. The water
use, the data being presently compiled, identifies the water use
necessary. On an average comsumption, excluding fire protection,
talking about 50 gpM of water use.
--Hildebrandt - how would you classify the boiler?
--Forsberg - it is an induced draft vent but there are also secondary
forced draft vents. Material comes in wet in the spring and dry
in the fall, therefore, have to have a multiplicity of air control.
Most plants have a primary ingition system, probably fuel oil
this case. Some sort of fuel oil will be used with a pre -heating
system. Would not be burning continuously. Will combust refuse
at maximum load for as many days as possible. Want to maximize the
steam sales; The dips in the spring and fall will probably be used
by the vendor to scehdule maintenance .
-4-
-5-
ADDENDUM TO JUNE 14, 1982, PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
--Forsberg - proposing two units so that in the fall, early September,
one unit can be shut down. It Would be a shut -down that would last
3-4 weeks. The other unit would carry the existing steam load.
--Hildebrandt - when you have to kick in the force draft fans to get
the wet material going, how bad is the smell in the area.
- -Forsberg - when combustion temperatures in the incineration zone
on the grates run 1600 to 2000 degrees fahrenheit the odor out of
the stack is taken care of.
--Hildebrandt - understood that anytime forced draft is run there
is leakage.
- -Forsberg - combustion of solid waste is an operational art. This
is one of reasons particular type of boiler operators are sought
out. In air control systems the grates are broken up into 3-4
foot square sections. Each section has a separate air control
system - in some there is a secondary air - additional air along
the side of the fire walls. The air is not just turned on and
blown through as this causes hot spots in the grate systems. It
is really a controlled system. Cold starts can cause problems.
--Hildebrandt - when talking about a forced draft situation - is this
an exterior wall or some Other thing because you will be pushing
back
--Forsberg - it is primarily an induced draft, not a forced draft.
It is secondary air for combustion purposes to help elevate temp.
It is a supplemental not a primary.
--Property owner - will the cost or the availability of this
energy plant tend to bring other industry into the area?
--Forsberg - cannot promise anything. Going to try and commit 100%
of the steam load to 3M. Any industries that could be identified
otherwise would be a plus or a backup. Have to have an -energy user
before putting a plant like this up.
- -Resident - could this be expanded?
--Forsberg - thinking primarily of two three -hundred ton per day units
with a layout that would accomodate a third unit which would bring
it up to nine -hundred tons per day. Possibility of expansion later
on are probably limited and limited by the energy market. What
is built will be what is used for the 20 years proposed.
s
CITY OF
LAKE
jiikELMO
A
City of Lake Elmo
777-5510
3880 Laverne Avenue North / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
NOTICE
and
INVITATI O N
The Lake Elmo Planning Commission will hold an informational meeting on
two issues of concern to you and adjacent property owners in Section 32,
June 14, 1982
8:00 P.M.
in the new City Hall, 3880 Laverne Avenue North (main floor of Brookfield II
Building).
The Commission invites your comments and questions about the Comprehensive
Sewer Plan and the Waste to Energy Plant as they relate to your area and
property.
The City must decide what our sewer needs will be between now and 1990.
We must forecast your sewer needs; so, we would like your ideas and comments
on the need for sewer in Section 3.z.
Representatives of Henningson, Durham & Richardson will be present to discuss
the status, design, location, effect, and plans for a Waste to Energy Plant
which may be located in Section 32. A Committee of County and City representa-
tives is presently reviewing the proposal to build this plant, which would
burn garbage to generate steam for 3M and other users on the east side of
the Metro. area.
Lake Elmo is one of four sites now being considered. Others are within
a 3 miles radius of the 3M facilities, as 3M will be the principal user
at this time.
Both the sewer plan and the waste to energy plant proposal are moving along
quickly. Therefore, we think it is important that you become aware of them
now.
We look forward to seeing you, Monday, June 14, 1982, at 8:00 p.m.
.
CITY OF
LAKE
AELMO
City of Lake Elmo
777-5510
3880 Laverne Avenue North / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
AGENDA
PLANNING COMMISSION
June 14, 1982
7:30 P.M. ---Meeting convenes
1. Minutes of May 17, Commission Meeting and
May 24 Joint Meeting
2. Schedule hearings
A. Bloomquist/Popov--rezoning and CUP
to put up hang glider warehouse
7:45 p.m., June 28
B. Flea Market CUP at Va1i-Hi
8:15 p.m., June 28
3. Shafer Mining Peilllit
8:00P.M. ---4. Planning in Section 32
A. Waste to energy plant
Don Krebs & Floyd Forsberg
Henningson,Durham & Richardson, Inc.
8:45 P.M.--- B. Sewer planning with property owners
9:00 P.M. BREAK
5. Comprehensive Plan amendments
A. Sewer
B. Adjustments to area of planned
R1 development, if any
C. Call hearing
9:45 P.M.---6. Subdivision Ordinance changes
10:00 P.M.---7. Landscape Standards
8. Administrators Report:
A. Ordinance on Commission —
consecutive terms
B. Zoning amendments
CITY OF
LAKE -
ELMO
City of Lake Elmo
777-5510
3880 Laverne Avenue North 1 Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
MEMO
TO: The Planning Commission
FR: Larry Whittaker and Fred Nazarian
DT: June 11, 1982
RE: LANDSCAPING STANDARDS
Fred and I met some time ago and reviewed his recommendations on the proposed
landscaping standards. Our recommendations and concerns are as follows:
(Refer to Fred's draft Ordinance and sections of City Code please.)
1. Section 301.130 E. 4. f. should reflect the requirement that there be
a 35 foot buffer exclusive of parking, etc. - as this is required when Com-
mercial property is adjacent to residential property...in another Section of
the Zoning Ordinance. It is 100 feet whe Industrial uses are adjacent to re-
sidential.
2. Do you also want to screen residential from Commercial and Industrial when
it is across the street? The present Ordinance does not require the 35 foot buffer
across a street. If so, we would have to amend each Section of the Zoning Ordinance
and Section 1504, which also governs screening.
3. Do you want to permit or require fences or walls over 4 feet in height, as
suggested in Fred's draft (.02 B.1.a.)? He suggests we require 5 foot fences or
walls OR earthen berms. We would have to amend Sections 301.130 E. 4. f. and
1505.010 A. One prohibits screening over 4 feet in height. The other walls over
4. Do you want to screen driveways as well as parking areas, as Fred suggests in
the same section? While the present 35 foot buffer does not permit driveways or
parking areas on interior lot lines, it does not regulate them along streets. It
does not require this buffer along streets. Section 1504 requires screening along
streets except at the front of the business.
5. Fred suggests that all loading docks be screened. Do you think loading docks
that face other commercial uses should be screened, as well as those facing re-
sidential districts?
4 feet.
6. Do you want mechanical equipment on roofs screened?
7. How long do you think a party should have to guarantee the landscaping? Fred
suggests two years.
8. The present Ordinance on Exterior Storage is more comprehensive; so we recommend
using it in place of Section .02 B. 5 of Fred's draft.
9. We recommend using Section 1506 of the City Code in place of .03 B. 1.
AND adding paragraphs 2 - 5 of Fred's draft to it.
10. Do you want to require 15% of the area to be screened for lots with more than
6 parking spaces? The present code requires 200 sq. ft. for each 3,000 sq. ft. after
the first 3,000 sq. ft. Otherwise, it just requires screening of lots for four or more
cars.