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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-12-83 PZMPLANNING COMMISSION MEETING December 12, 1983 DRAFT The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Prince at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers. Commissioners present: Nazarian, Michels, Dreher, Peterson, Graves, Lundquist, Moe (arrived 7:45) 1. Minutes: M/S/P Michels/Graves - To approve the minutes of the November 14, 1983 Planning Commission meeting. (Carried 6-0-1 <Nazarian>) 2. Oakdale Resolution: The Commission was in agreement with Klaers' concerns as outlined in his memo of December 8th regarding some of the wording of the Oakdale Resolution. From the seventh "Whereas" of the resolution; the Commission at no time agreed to relinquish Lake Elmo's designated County State Aid Highway Funds for the construction of the proposed 50th Street Extension in the City of Oakdale. What was said was, "when Oakdale was interested in doing something with 50th street, they should submit a proposal to Lake Elmo and consideration would be given to the request at that time." Also, the fourth "Whereas" from page two of the resolution, wherein it states "providing for sanitary sewer service" should read something like "the possibility of providing for sanitary sewer service" The Commission objects to the wording in this Oakdale Resolution and does not wish to recommend adoption. 3. Starting time for Planning Commission Meetings: M/S/P Michels/Graves - To call the Planning Commission meetings to order at 7:00 (instead of 7:30) for three months, and to evaluate the early starting time after three months. (Carried 8-0) 4. Late December Meeting: Consensus of the Commission was to cancel the late December meeting. However, the Commission will be notified, and a meeting will be called if anything requiring immediate action by the Planning Commission should arise. 5. Public Hearing for CUP and Shoreland Permit application for a nursery in a RR zone for Ron Smith at 9999 10th Street North. Pursuant to published notice, this hearing was opened at 8:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers. Lake Elmo Planning Commission Meeting 12/12/83 Page 2 In response to City Engineer's memo of December 8, 1983, in which he states that water and sanitary facilities should be provided for the employees, Mr. Smith stated that the water and sanitary facilities in the house could be used by the employees. The present house could also be used for the exchange of money with customers. Mr. Smith stated his nursery stock would consist of trees, shrubs and landscape timbers. He further stated that he would like to restructure his storm damaged barn, and that he has already done some berming by planting trees. Smith stated that at this time his equipment consists of one farm tractor. He further stated that he may deal in gravel sometime in the future, depending on obtaining the right equipment. Concerns were expressed by the Commission regarding potential expansion of the business; that expansions have a tendency of taking place and getting out of hand. The permit should specifically state what can be done under the CUP, so the City has control over future expansion of the business. T M/S/P Michels/Moe To recommend to the City Council approval of the CUP and Shoreland Permit application for Ron Smith, 9999 loth Street North, in accordance with City Standards. (Carried 8-0) Commission requested that the City Council be specific in what will be allowed under this CUP. 6. Public Hearing on Comprehensive Plan amendments for: 1. MUSA Line Pursuant to published notice, this public hearing was opened at 8:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers. Dreher stated his concerns were for the residents in Section 32 that have been paying sewer assessments for 10 to 15 years. The new proposal would eliminate the sewer for these residents, and they have been paying for it, with the intention of getting it before 1990. Recommendation was made that the Met Council staff be advised that Lake Elmo would reduce the area to some extent, but will not reduce it to the point of excluding a property owner that has been paying sewer taxes. The public hearing was closed at 8:50 p.m. M/S/P Graves/Nazarian To recommend to the City Council that the MUSA Line be changed to run down the Section 32 Line, east on 4th Street, and south on Inwood. (Carried 8-0) Lake Elmo Planning Commission Meeting 12/12/83 Page 3 2. I-94 Concept Plan Pursuant to published notice, this public hearing was opened at 9:00 in the Council Chambers. Discussion regarding Larry Whittaker's memo of 11/22/83. The proposal showed: (1) Commercial development between Co. Roads 13 and 19, when sewered; (2) Leave everything past Co.Road 19 - POST 1990 Highway Business and control development by keeping RR zoning and discouraging any plats of clusters or 10 acre lots in the 500 feet closest to the service road; so that the land could be available for HB. (3) Continue to work on standards to prevent an undesireable character from developing further along the I-94 strip - and remain open-minded about development proposals that aren't exactly within the "planned area". Discussion between the audience and the Commission regarding the 1/8 mile setback for commercial development. Concerns of the developers were that they would not be able to fully develop their land if the setback remained at 1/8 of a mile. Discussion regarding the placement of signs in Lake Elmo. Concerns expressed by Gene Peltier were that no signs could be erected in a RR zone. Mayor Eder suggested that the area be mixed business. It should be rezoned as such to keep residential development away from the area. He further suggested that the Commission wait for the decision on the racetrack, before doing anything. Jim Olson, property owner along I-94 asked the Commission to put as much latitude as possible within the corridor proposed to be zoned commercial. Dorothy Lyons presented the results of her telephone development plans of Woodbury, Afton, etc. Discussion of the size of the sewer pipe in Section to be installed, who it will service, etc. Prince suggested that the I-94 Investors meet for an exchange of ideas. Jim Olson stated that it was difficult to say at this time when he would develop his land or how he would do it. He further stated that he felt that the Met Council is not always correct in their planning, and shouldn't be allowed to do Lake Elmo's planning for Lake Elmo. with Dorothy Lyons asked the Commission to look at surrounding communities to see what they are doing the I-94 area. The public hearing was closed at 9:50 p.m. The meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m. survey regarding 32 that is going the City Planner the plans of our in areas similar to The Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final decisions on these matters. Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application. For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by' the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated. 7:30 p.m. 8:00 p.m. AGENDA LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION DECEMBER 12, 1983 Meeting Convenes 1. Minutes - November 14, 1983. 2. Consideration of the City of Oakdale Resolution relating to discussion from the joint Planning Commission meetings. 3. Discussion on the starting time for Elmo Planning Commission meetings. 4. Discussion on a late December, 1983 Commission meeting. future Lake Planning 5. Public Hearing on a Conditional. Use Permit (CUP) application for a nursery in a RR zone for Ron Smith at 9999 10th Street North. 8:30 p.m. 6. Public Hearing on Comprehensive Plan ammendements for: 1. MUSA line. 2. 1-94 Concept Plan: ( CITY OF LAKE ELMO Agot City of Lake Elmo DECEMBER 8, 1983 777-5510 3880 Laverne Avenue North I Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 T0: PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS FROM: PAT KLAERS, CITY ADMINISTRATOR RE: AGENDA MEMO FOR 12/12/83 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES: Attached are the minutes from the last Planning Commission meeting held on November 14, 1983 for your consideration. CITY OF OAKDALE RESOLUTION: Attached is the Resolution Lake Elmo adopted following Joint Planning Commission meetings with Oakdale, and the Resolution Oakdale adopted. Oakdale is asking Lake Elmo to also adopt the Resolution it passed in late November. Prior to adopting our Lake Elmo Resolution, I asked the Oakdale staff about their concerns and included them in our Resolution. The Lake Elmo Resolution was passed mainly because of the drinking water issue, and to let the County know that Lake Elmo is receptive to most any solution to this water problem that the County deems best. The Oakdale Resolution is broader in scope. It talks about other items discussed at the joint meeting in very definite terms. Before this resolution was passed by Oakdale, I received a draft, and in turn, expressed my concerns to the Oakdale staff. None of my concerns resulted in any changes in this Oakdale Resolution. My concerns with the Oakdale Resolution are: 1. The last "Whereas" on page one - - This statement is much too definite. The groups discussed the possibility of relinquishing the funds and indicated that Lake Elmo would consider any Oakdale request on this issue, but, at no time did the Lake Elmo group say in fact that we would give up these County funds. The Planning Commission does not have this authority. Lake Elmo does not even have the County 5 year CIP for streets as the County is currently drafting this plan. It is much too soon to make this a definite statement in a Resolution. The County CIF may not even need Lake Elmo to "relinquish" these funds for Oakdale's 50th Street, but at the right time, and if it is needed, Lake Elmo would give due consideration to any Oakdale request. Lake Elmo Planning Commission Agenda Memo November 8, 1983 Page 2 2. The fourth "Whereas" on page 2 - - This "Whereas" states "Providing for sanitary sewer service ---" and again is too much of a commitment on the part of Lake Elmo. I asked Oakdale to have this read, "The possibility of providing for sanitary sewer service ---". If the City of Oakdale would have followed my two suggestions to "tone down" the definite commitment on the part of Lake Elmo in these two noted "Whereas", I then would have had no problems with this Oakdale Resolution. However, as the Oakdale adopted Resolution reads, I strongly recommend that Lake Elmo does not adopt this Resolution. If the two staffs cannot agree on proper wording, then simply stated: The Planning Commission's met together and the Lake Elmo City Council adopted a Resolution and the Oakdale City Council adopted a slightly. different Resolution. The City Attorney reviewed the Oakdale Resolution and simply indicated that the Lake Elmo City Council could adopt it if so desired. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION STARTING TIME: A member of the Planning Commission requested that this item be placed on the agenda. The Code states that the Planning Commission will meet monthly on the 2nd and 4th Monday at 7:30 p.m. (However, the Park Commission meets at a different time than indicated in the Code.) I have no problems with meeting earlier in the evenings, and we could try this for a while if so desired. If starting earlier in the evening is tried and works out, we should eventually change the Code. LATE DECEMBER, 1983 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING???? The last Planning Commission meeting in December is scheduled for Monday, December 26, 1983. This is a legal holiday and the City Offices are closed. We could meet on Tuesday, December 27th, 1983, if the group feels a meeting is needed. I understand that the past practice has been to cancel this last meeting in December. At this point in time, I have no agenda item scheduled that would require that meeting in late December. PUBLIC HEARING FOR RON SMITH CUP: Attached is the application for a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for Ron Smith, at 9999 10th Street to operate a nursery in a RR zone, his tax statement indicating the legal description of the property; a legal survey of the lot; a site plan proposal for the lot; a map showing the location of the lot; four pages from the City Code relating to CUP'S; and a list of the existing CUP'S in Lake Elmo. A report from City Engineer, Larry Bohrer, is being mailed out individually. The Building Official reviewed the material, and while he did not prepare a report, he recommends approval. He further indicated that no new CUP'S have been issued in 1983, and that no complaints about the existing CUP'S were received in 1983. I am not an expert on land use, but this seems to be a reasonable request and use of the land. Staff cannot forsee any problems that this CUP would present and recommends approval. Lake Elmo Planning Commission Agenda Memo November 8, 1983 Page 3 PUBLIC HEARING ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMMENDMENTS: City Consultant, Larry Whittaker, has prepared a memo on these amendments (which is enclosed) and will be present at the meeting for this discussion. He will explain what the Met. Council is requesting concerning the MUSA line and will explain the options we have regarding the location of the MUSA line. The memo also summarizes the October 24th discussion on the I-94 Concept Plan. Whichever proposal, if any, is selected by the Planning Commission will be forwarded to the City Council, and this should take place soon. A decision to make no changes in the Comp. Plan is a decision to leave the entire 1/2 to 1/4 mile strip along I-94 as future commercial and would not need Council action. Larry is very concerned that the City take some steps to insure "quality, staged, commercial development" in this area. Larry's memo also discusses the remaining issues from the 1983 Planning Commission work plan. As time allows, these items should also receive some discussion after the Public Hearings. OTHER NOTES: 1. At the November 15, 1983 City Council meeting, the Council unamiously approved the ammendment to the Shoreland Ordinance dealing with setbacks, which the Planning Commission recommended at its 11/14/83 meeting. 2. At the December 6, 1983 City Council meeting, the Council: A. Approved, on a 4-1 vote, the Nelson Rezoning Application from RR to R1. Approving this application results in an ammendment to the zoning ordinance map. The Planning Commission recommended approval of the application on a 6-1-1 vote. B. On a Division couldn't Planning 3-2 vote denied the and Zoning Variance find any "hardship" Commission voted to Stouvenel Simple Lot Sub - For Lot Size. The Council for approving this variance. The a 4-4 tie on this issue. 3. As a result of Stouvenel lot size variance denial, the Council asked that the Planning Commission once again review the section of the City Code relating to lot size in the business zones. This will be on a January, 1984 Planning Commission agenda. 4. Please note that spouses are invited be held at the City from 4:30 to 7:00. all Planning Commission members and to attend the City Christmas Party to Office on Friday, December 16th, 1983 I hope that everyone can attend. 5. As this is the last meeting before Christmas, and maybe the New Year, I want to extend my best wishes for a happy holiday season_to all Planning Commission members and their families. -- e CITY OF LAKE ELMO City of Lake Elmo November 23, 1983 777-5510 3880 Laverne Avenue North I Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 To: Planning Commission Members From: Pat Klaers, City Administrator Re: November 28th meeting There will be no Planning Commission meeting on Monday, November 28th due to a lack of agenda items. The staff is calling a number of public hearings (which require 2 weeks notice) for the December 12th meeting. Material and agenda will be sent out for this meeting as usual. At the 11/15/83 City Council meeting, the Council approved spending City funds for registration fees for Planning Commission members that wish to attend the Annual Planning Institute taking place in St. Paul in early December. If any Planning Commission member wishes to attend this seminar, please contact Nancy Prince as soon as possible as registrations are due on December 2nd. Attached is the most recent, November 22nd, City Newsletter.