HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-8-85 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council.
One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make
recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final
decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may
postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for
other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by the
City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the
application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed,
please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip;
or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
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AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
APRIL 8, 1985
Meeting Convenes
1. Introduction of new Planning Commission members:
David Lang (full voting member)
Dean Johnston (first alternate)
2. Minutes: 3-11-85 and 3-25-85
3. Public Hearing for simple lot subdivision and
zoning code variances on parcel of land east
of Lake Elmo Avenue and south of RR tracks:
Application by Bill Eder.
4. Public Hearing for rezoning an
from RR to Agricultural, south
and on both east and west side
Application by Lowell Rieks.
80 acre parcel
of 47th Street
of Kimbro Ave.
5. Public Hearing for Conditional Use
for a sign in the General Business
variances from the sign code along
the Vali-Hi Drive-in: Application
Jamie Olson.
Permit (CUP)
zone and
I-94 by
by
6. Discussion of 3-25-85 meeting; especially
regarding accessory structures.
7. Other
To: Planning Commission Members
From: Patrick D. Klaers, City Administrator
Re: Agenda Memo for April 8, 1985 Planning Commission Meeting
The City Offices are closed on Friday, April 5th, 1985 in observance
of Good Friday. Therefore, this agenda memo will be relatively brief
in order to insure that it will be in the mail on Thursday.
1. Introduction of Planning Commission Members
At the last City Council meeting, the Council unanimously appointed
David Lang a full voting member, and Dean Johnston as the first
alternate member to the Planning Commission. Attached for your
information is their applications, and a map showing the geographic
location of the Planning Commission members. Both David and Dean also
live in the northwest section of the community, but the Council has no
alternative but to appoint capable individuals to the Commission,
regardless of their location. They strive for a geographic balance on
our Commissions, but this cannot always be achieved. There remains
one position open on the Planning Commission and this is for the
second alternate spot. I understand that Dan Novak, who appeared
before the Commission regarding the Clapp/Thommsen rezoning intends to
apply for this vacant position.
2. Minutes
Attached for your consideration and review are the draft Planning
Commission minutes from the March llth and March 25th meetings.
3. Public Hearing for simple lot subdivision and zoning code
variances: Applicant: Bill Eder
This is a public hearing that should begin at 7:15 p.m. Mr. Bill Eder
is applying for a simple lot subdivision and numerous zoning code
variances on a parcel of land that is east of Lake Elmo Avenue and
south of the railroad tracks.
Attached for your information is the application and map showing the
location of this parcel. A separate memo from the City Engineer,
Larry Bohrer, will be sent directly to all Planning Commission
members. This is a very cumbersome and confusing application as an
existing parcel of record is separated by another parcel of record
that is owned by Planning Commission member, John Schiltz. I suggest
that all Planning Commission members take the initiative to review and
drive by this site.
This application will require a variance from the lot size 1-1/2 acre
requirement; a variance for the road frontage requirement of 125 feet;
a variance for the septic requirements for the easterly lot; and some
type of private road agreement with the City that provides access to
all of these parcels which include potentially five sites through Mr.
Willard Eder's driveway. Willard Eder is the father of the applicant,
Bill Eder.
This area should be somewhat
was approved last year which
this is directly west of the
Avenue.
familiar to the Commission as a rezoning
allowed the antique shop to operate and
parcel in question, along Lake Elmo
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In the past, the Commission has expressed its preference to allow one
and only one variance with simple lot subdivision applications. These
comments have been passed on to the City Council, and I believe that
they concur that applications that require more than one variance
should be evaluated very closely.
The most serious problem with this application is the lack of road
frontage and the need to use a private driveway for access to the
property. Mr. Bill Eder was adamant about pursuing this application
and felt that there would be no problem whatsoever as no problems have
previously existed with the homes that are in this area already, and
he sincerely wants this to be taken care of as soon as possible as his
father, Mr. Willard Eder, is experiencing health problems.
Without seeing the City Engineer's report, I am confident that he will
be recommending denial based on the large number of variances that are
required and based mainly on the lack of road frontage.
The existing situation of having homes access by a long private
driveway that goes between two existing homes is not a good situation.
To add additional homes to this type of situation would be a detriment
to the City. A major concern is access by emergency vehicles, and the
fact that in the future the City may be charged with maintaining what
amounts to a long private driveway as a public street.
I don't have any major concerns with having these two parcels that are
separated being declared separate and distinct parcels, but with this
declaration by the City comes all the other variances that are listed
above which would allow these individuals to construct homes on these
sites. This is not appropriate and the staff is recommending denial
of the application.
The hardship explained by the applicant may very well be the lack'of a
public street, and this is true, but this is also our major reason for
recommending denial to prevent future homes from being constructed in
this area.
I will be able to provide a more complete verbal update of this
application at the Commission table, once we hear the applicant
describe what he desires to do on this site.
4. Public Hearing for rezoning an 80 acre parcel from RR to
Agricultural. Applicant: Lowell Rieks
This is a public hearing that should begin at approximately 7:45 p.m.
The applicant, Lowell Rieks, is applying to rezone his property from
RR to Agricultural. His land is located on the east and west side of
Kimbro Avenue, south of 47th Street and a little bit north of 43rd
Street.
Attached is the application, list of people notified of the public
hearing, and the maps.
The reason the applicant is requesting the rezoning is to allow the
construction of an agriculturally used pole barn. Since the accessory
structure code amendments have not been approved by the City Council,
the construction of a pole barn of the size being requested would not
be allowed by the City Code. As the land is being used in the
agricultural nature, it is appropriate to have the property rezoned.
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The staff has no problem with this application, and as no variances
are being requested the staff is recommending approval of the rezoning
application from RR to Agricultural.
5. Public Hearing for Conditional Use Permit for a sign in the
General Business zone. Applicant: Jamie Olson
This is a public hearing that should begin at approximately 8:15 p.m.
The applicant, Jamie Olson, is applying to place a sign on her
property along I-94 in the General Business zone. The sign would be
located east of the Vali-Hi Drive-in sign, and west of the Lehmann's
farm sign.
Attached for your information is the application, list of individuals
notified of the public hearing and a number of maps showing the
precise location of this parcel. Much of the land owned by Ms. Olson
has been taken by Mn/DOT for the construction of the I-94 road.
The applicant is requesting a variance from the sign ordinance for the
size of the sign and for the location of the sign being too close to
the existing signs along I-94. A report from the Building Official,
James McNamara, is anticipated to be distributed at the Commission
table explaining the code requirements and what variances are being
requested. Additionally, the applicant should be attending this
meeting in order to provide the Commission with more detailed
information on the type and size of the sign being requested.
Signs are allowed in the Commercial District only by Conditional Use
Permit. Therefore, the application is for a CUP, with sign code
variances. Signs are governed by City Code section 505.
The City Code indicates that advertising signs in the Commercial and
Industrial districts which are allowed by CUP shall not exceed 200
square feet in area, and also the total square footage of the sign
area for each lot shall not exceed. 2 square feet of sign area for each
linear foot of lot frontage. The height of the display shall not
exceed 35 feet. The Code goes on to state, in section 505.260 that
advertising signs shall be permitted by CUP and shall not be located
closer than 3,000 feet to any other sign on the same side of the
street or highway. The variances are requested because the applicant
cannot meet these requirements, and because the sign being proposed is
672 square feet (14 x 48) which far exceeds the 200 square foot
maximum allowed by theCity Code. 0sided sign ®T 0A sg, C . per Wale)
The applicant will have the responsibility of indicating the hardship,
which does not consider economics as a factor in order to justify this
application and variance. Without this jusitificaion, the staff has
no alternative but to recommend denial of the application.
6. Discussion of 3-25-85 meeting especially regarding
accessory structures.
I would like to take a few minutes to review what took place at the
last Planning Commission meeting as I was out of town on vacation when
this meeting took place. I think we should briefly review all aspects
of the accessory structure code - what has been recommended for
approval by the Planning Commission, and what remains to be evaluated,
plus what the Planning Commission recommended at the last meeting.
Additionally, the Planning Commission recommended that items #15 and
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#16 of the Work Plan be discussed at this meeting. Time may not
permit this to happen, but these.two items relate to to size and
number of accessory structures in the RR zone on parcels over 20
acres, and the definition of garage and storage accessory structures.
7. Other
This is on the agenda for Planning Commission members to bring up
items that are of interest to the entire Commission. The entire
surface water situation in Lake Elmo may want to be discussed by the
Commission. This is a very difficult issue to discuss on paper, but I
would be happy to verbally update the Commission on the current status
of different water related problems.
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1. Attached are the two most recent City Newsletter editions dated
3-12-85 and 3-26-85.
2. Attached is an interesting article on what the City of Woodbury is
planning for sewer facilities.
3. Attached is a letter received last November relating to speed
checks on County Road 17. This does not address the Work Plan item
#12 relating to signs along Highway 5, but does indicate the type of
work the County will do for us in evaluating our needs.
4. Attached for your information is an article from the Minneapolis
paper dated 3-21-85 relating to municipal tax rates. Our city tax
rate is listed as 14.451 which has a ranking of 29 lowest out of 85
listed. This comparison also shows our assessed valuation which is
used as a tax base of approximately $32.5 million. This 14.451 mil
rate for 1985 compares to 15.280 for 1984. When the budget was
adopted in September, 1984 we knew the mil rate was going to be
lowered, but it was impossible to forcast "how much" reduction would
be achieved. The same will be true around budget time in 1985.
Unless major expenditures are forcasted or there are dramatic changes
by the State in funding formulas, we expect the mil rate to remain
stable or be further reduced.
5. Attached for your information is an interesting article regarding
the DNR hearing on the Lake Pulaski NOHWL. This situation is not
unfamiliar to Lake Elmo residents, and any success by the Lake Pulaski
residents may have spinoff benefits in Lake Elmo.
6. Update on City Council action from its 4-2-85 meeting:
A. Approved the installation of a 30 mph speed sign on the
south side of Highlands Trail at the top of the hill. This short
stretch of street runs between DeMontreville Trail on the east (just
north of the public access) and Hilltop Trail on the west. Planning
Commission Chair Fred Nazarian lives on this street.
B. Approved the Planning Commission appointments which is
item #1 on this agenda.
C. Denied the Springborn CUP amendment application for a
C
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waterslide. The Council found that the background work provided by
the Planning Commission was very well prepared, and a very
professional job was done by the Commission.
D. Approved a one year extension of time for the Midland
Meadows preliminary plat. This is a fifty-seven lot single family
residential development on 110 acres at the southwest corner of Lake
Elmo Avenue and loth Street. This preliminary plat has been on file
for about five years, and they have been annually receiving extensions
of time until the economic conditions permit the final plat and
development of this area.
E. Discussed an appreciation dinner for former Council member
Laura Fraser, former Mayor Maynard Eder, and former Planning
Commission members Bob Dreher, Howard Michels and Vicki Gifford. I
understand that Council member Rose Armstrong will be the coordinating
individual for this appreciation dinner, and she may very well be
contacting one Planning Commission member for assistance in this. I
understand that she was thinking about contacting Nancy Prince.
F. Made an exception to the load limits on the City streets.
These load limits take place every spring and we correspond to the
County°s timing in placing these load limits. The exception was made
for waste haulers in order to insure the health of the citizens as
they are required by code to have garbage pickup. The load limit
allows trucks up to seven tons per axle to be permitted.
G.. Rejected all of the City Attorney bid proposals for the
civil aspect of our legal work. The Council did indicate that Mr.
Fredric Knaak was the preferred canidate and authorized the staff to
negotiate a contract which would include a much smaller retainer fee
and more work being covered on a dollar per hour basis.
H. Authorized Clean-up Days to take place on May 4, 1985 at
the old landfill site beginning at 8:00 a.m. until 12:00 noon.
I. Accepted the resignation of Deputy Clerk, Kathy Crombie
and appointed Mary to this position. We are now looking for a new
Administrative Secretary to help in taking the minutes.
J. Received the applications of the four best canidates for
the maintenance foreman position. I reviewed over 20 applications and
submitted what I felt were the four best canidates to the Council.
The Council will be discussingthe hiring process and the four
preferred applicants at its next meeting on 4-16-85.
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MIND
MARCH 25, 1985
Chairman Nazarian called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m. in the
council chambers. Present: Kuettner, Lundquist, Lyall, Moe, Prince.
Absent: Graves, Schiltz.
1. Minutes: March 11, 1985 (Tabled to April 8, 1985)
2. 1985 Work Plan
A. #4 - Watershed 509 Plan
Lundquist gave some historic background relating to the water problems
in Washington County. The water starts up by Big Marine and it takes
years for it to get from there down here. The ground water up there
is twenty-five to thirty -feet higher than it is here. About 1972, in
just one year his well came up eight feet. In other words, the flow
from Big Marine was coming down. That is about the time Lake Elmo
started running over. The Lake Jane problem is different. At the time
they were fighting high water in Lake DeMontreville, they were still
pumping into Silver Lake (about ten to fifteen years ago). Silver
Lake used to run down to Sunfish Lake, then it was cleaned out and it
is a clean ditch now. The water runs down pretty fast because there
is no holding in between. Sunfish might be a little higher than it
would be without the pumping, but it would get to the level it is now
anyway, because the ground water level is at that point. Instead of
thinking that Lake Elmo is at a high water level or that Sunfish is at
a high water level, it is just a normal water level. The water won't
go down for quite some period of time - 25 years or so - after it goes
down on Big Marine. The drought of the 1930's was the most severe
general drought in the last three to four hundred years. (This is
measured by the tree rings). Another factor is that in any large
urban area, the rainfall east of an urban area is higher than it is on
the other side.
Kuettner questioned that if history like this is known and proven, why
does the City allow homes to be constructed in these potential flood
plains.
The Commission discussed the 509 Plan as proposed by VBWD, along with
the pumping from Lake Jane to City Park Pond.
B. Section 301.130 C.1.e. Accessory Buildings and
Structures: Agricultural Farm Building
The Commission discussed possible changes to the city code relating to
accessory structures.
This section of the code now reads " Agricultural Farm Building: An
accessory building used or intended for use on an active commercial
food producing farm operation of more than twenty (20) acres. A
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency permit may be required".
It was proposed that the following be included in this section of the
code: "Agricultural Farm Buildings: Farm buildings cannot be used
for non -farm use, such as commercial storage.
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C. Section 301.130 C.14.b. Accessory Buildings and
Structures: Rural Residential RR.
This section of the code now reads: "Rural Residential RR: For
parcels under ten (10) acres, two building with a total area not to
exceed one thousand (1000) square feet; for parcels over ten (10)
acres two buildings with a total area not to exceed two thousand
(2000) square feet.
It was proposed that this section of the code include: "For parcels
over 20 acres used for farm purposes, no restrictions on number or
size as long as buildings are used for farm purposes. An example of a
non -allowed use is commercial storage".
B. Section 301.130 C.14.c. Accessory Buildings and
Structures: For all other Residential Districts.
This section of the code now reads: "For all other Residential
Districts: For parcels with twenty thousand (20,000) square feet or
less in land area one building not to exceed the size of the principal
building; or 1,000 square feet, whichever is less, for parcels over
twenty thousand (20,000) square feet in land area, one building with a
total area not to exceed one thousand (1,000) square feet".
This section of the code is proposed to read as follows: "For all
other Residential Districts: For parcels 1 acre or less in land area,
one building not to exceed the size of the principal building or 500
square feet, whichever is less; for parcels 1 to 2 acres in land
area, one building not to exceed the size of the principal building or
750 square feet, whichever is less; for parcels over 2 acres and less
than 5 acres, one building with a total area not to exceed 1000 square
feet; and for parcels of more than 5 acres, two buildings with a total
area not to exceed 2,000 square feet".
These proposals will be discussed at future Planning Commission
meetings, and public hearings will be held if the Commission feels
these changes are warranted.
It was the consensus of the Commission to put items #15 and #16 of the
Work Plan on the April 8, 1985 Planning Commission agenda.
3. Other
A. Additions to the 1985 Work Plan
20. Uses permitted for farm buildings for
non -farm uses.
21. Hutchinson property: Discussion regarding
the denial of the Industrial use of that property.
22. Definition of "Commercial recreation of a
rural natures'
M/S/P Moe/Lyall - To adjourn the Planning Commission meeting (9:35 (
p.m.) (Motion carried 6-0).
March 21, 1985
To: Planning Commission Members
From: Pat Klaers, City Administrator
Re: Agenda Memo for March 25, 1985 Planning Commission Meeting
1. Minutes
The minutes for the 3-11-85 meeting may or may not be attached to this
agenda, depending on the work schedule of the secretary. If they are
not included, simply table consideration of this issue until the
4-8-85 meeting.
2.. Work Plan
I believe the Commission should begin work on the accessory structure
aspect of the city code. The City Council tabled consideration of the
code amendment to comply with the County's rules until these other
issues can be addressed. The Council will then look at the entire
accessory structure section of the City Code - including corresponding
to the County's code, and looking at all the other spinoff issues that
are in the Work Plan.
You should note that the Planning Commission's Work Plan for 1985 was
officially improved by the City Council at its last meeting.
3. Other
This will be an opportunity for Planning Commission members to address
any issue they feel is relevant.
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OTHER INFORMATION
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1. This may or may not be an official Planning Commission meeting,
depending on whether or not a quorum is achieved.
2. Wish
Planning
the Twin
meeting,
recorded
to acknowledge that I may or may not be attending this
Commission meeting, depending on my schedule on returning to
Cities. Additionally, the secretary will not attend the
but the tape will be set up so that the meeting can be
and minutes transcribed at a later date.
3. Attached is some material provided by Fred Nazarian which he
obtained at the last seminar held in early March.
4. Update on 3-19-85 City Council action:
A. Tabled any consideration on the Planning Commission
appointments as Mr. David Lang could not attend this meeting. Mr.
Lang will be at the 4-2-85 meeting. Additionally, Dan Novak has
requested an applicaion for this Commission.
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B. Tabled any consideration on the selection of a City
Attorney for the civil/legal contract for the City. This item will be
on the 4-2-85 agenda.
C. Tabled consideration of the Springborn application.
D. Denied the Clapp/Thommsen rezoning application from RR to
Rl. However, it did approve the concept plan for the cluster
development. A preliminary plat showing this cluster development of
eleven lots will be provided in the very near future, and will go
before the City Council and Planning Commission for their review and
consideration. There are variances required as lots exceed the two
acre maximum, but the Council indicated that this would be no problem.