HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-22-85 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings
and make recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes
all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may
postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may
for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by
the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on
the application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been
discussed, please fill out a "Requet to Appear Before the Planning
Commission" slip; or„ if you came late, raise your hand to be
recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated.
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AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
JULY 22, 1985
Meeting Convenes
1. Minutes: July 8, 1985
2. Public Hearing:
for Robert Meyer
Section 3.
3. Public Hearing:
for Don Bishop -
Rezoning and large lot division
and Frank and Arleen Meyer in
Preliminary Plat and Final Plat
Clapp/Thommsen off of CSAH 6.
4. Large Lot Subdivision for Gordon and Betty
Lundholm at 2737 Lake Elmo Avenue.
5. Site Plan Review: Rich Christenson representing
Lake Elmo Family Physicians proposed clinic on
Lots 1 and 2 of Brookman Addition.
6. Discussions:
A. Signs
B. Golf Courses in RR Zone
C. Hutchinson Property
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LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JULY 22, 1985
Chairperson Nazarian called the meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. in
the Council chambers. Present: Lyall, Kuettner, Novak,
Lundquist, Lang (departed 9:30), Prince (arrived 7:37). Absent:
Graves, Schiltz, Moe, Johnston
1. Minutes: July 8, 1985
M/S/P Novak/Lang - to approve the minutes of the July 8, 1985
Planning Commission meeting as amended. (Motion carried
5-0-1<Lyall>).
2. Public Hearing: Rezoning and large lot subdivision for Robert
Meyer and Frank and Arleen Meyer in Section 3.
The public hearing opened at 7:45 p.m. in the City Council
chambers.
Mr. Robert Meyer proposes to subdivide a 10-acre lot from his
father's 53-acre parcel. Presently, the entire 53 acres are in
Agriculture Preserve. A subdivision of this type is allowed under
state law as long as at least 40 acres remain in Ag Preserve. No
other dwelling can be built on the property. The 10-acre lot
would then have to be rezoned to RR to allow a lot of that size.
All property owners within 350 feet had been notified of this
public hearing and a few were present for the hearing.
M/S/P - Prince/Kuettner - to recommend to the City Council to
adopt an ordinance rezoning the 10 acre parcel from Ag to RR.
(Motion carried 7-0).
M/S/P - Prince/Kuettner - to recommend approval to the City
Council to grant a large lot subdivision to subdivide the 10.1
acres from the existing 53 acre parcel. (Motion carried 7-0).
3. Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat and Final Plat for Don
Bishop - Clapp/Thommsen off of CSAH 6.
The public hearing was opened to the public at 8:12 p.m.
Although the applicants did not appear for the public hearing,
several property owners were present to represent the
neighborhood. All property owners within 350 feet were notified
of the public hearing.
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Denis Conlin, 2915 Inwood Ave. N., stated he has no problems with
the new proposed plan. Conlin would not like to see any sewer or
water come in. He asked what were the chances of double homes or
townhomes being built there. This would be permitted only in an
R-2 or R-4 zoning.
M/S/P Kuettner/Lyall - moves to continue the public hearing at the
August 12th Planning Commission Meeting. (Motion carried 7-0).
4. Large Lot Subdivision for Gordon and Betty Lundholm at
2737 Lake Elmo Avenue.
Mr. Lundholm proposes to subdivide his property presently
consisting of two parcels into three lots. The applicant is
asking for a waiver of subdivision regulations which require
platting.
Mr. Lundholm stated that he has already donated a 30 foot wide
right-of-way for Legion Avenue. Therefore, the recommended road
easement at the easterly edge of 0370 has already been done.
There was discussion on cleaning this up, but not to include
Lundholm's request to split off the easterly section lot 0370 for
two reasons. There is no road frontage at the present time and a
contour map should be brought in to determine the amount of
buildable land. The Commission questioned the southerly portion of
0360 being zoned as R1 and requests the staff to determine whether
it is R-1 or RR. It was shown that according to the zoning map it
is zoned R-1.
M/S/P Prince/Kuettner - to recommend to the City Council to take
the northern portion of 0360 be adjoined to lot 0370 and the
southerly portion 0360 easterly line be pushed back to the 400
foot line from Lake Elmo Avenue to enlarge that lot to 1-1/2
acres. (Motion carried 7-0).
5. Site Plan Review: Rick Christenson representing the Maplewood
Family Physicians proposed clinic on Lots 1 and 2 of Brookman
Addition.
Mr. Rick Christenson of Anderson/Dale Architects, representing the
Maplewood Family Physicians presented a model of the proposed
physicians clinic and a site plan for Lot 1, Block 1 of Brookman's
Addition. The Maplewood Family Physicians have two clinics. One
right off of St. Paul Avenue and, secondly, at the Sun Ray
Shopping Center by Byerly's. The property for the Lake Elmo Clinic
was purchased on July 1, 1985.
The applicants proposed to comply with the Watershed District's
recommended building elevation of 930 because the existing
building cannot meet this elevation. There are 58 parking spaces
proposed. They will make the appropriate adjustments for the
septic field, but have set aside 10,500 square feet for this.
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Kuettner expressed concern about the traffic trying to get out of
the parking lot and onto Highway 5.
M/S/P Prince/Kuettner
plan and a simple lot
an east/west lot line
renumbering the lots)
6. Discussions:
A. Signs
- to recommend to the City Council the site
subdivision (rearranging the lot lines from
to north/south lot line and include
(Motion carried 6-0).
Lundquist suggested that if the entire sign ordinance would need
to be rewritten, the commission should get copies of other
ordinances to compare with and obtain professional help.
Kuettner feels the sign
that could be changed.
is done, someone should
their input.
ordinance is good, but it is the format
Also, suggested that when the rough draft
attend a Business Association meeting for
Chairman Nazarian will go over the sign package and this will be
presented at some later date.
B. Golf Courses in RR Zone.
Prince questioned where should golf courses fall in the zoning
code. They are only allowed by Conditional Use Permit in R-3.
Kuettner raised the questign of what is the difference between a
public and a private golf course. Nazarian would like the
commission members to come in with ideas next time on how to treat
the location of golf courses given as we already have a Tartan
Park and a Cimarron golf course in two different zones.
C. Hutchinson Property
Discussion on the Hutchinson Property was tabled and tentatively
set for the August 26th Planning Commission Meeting.
M/S/P Prince/Lyall to adjourn the Planning Commission Meeting at
9:58 p.m.
To: Planning Commission
From: Marilyn Banister, Acting City Administrator
Re: Agenda Memo for July 22, 1985 Planning Commission meeting
1. Minutes: Attached for your review are the July 8, 1985 Planning
Commission minutes.
2. Public Hearing for Rezoning from AG Preserves to RR and large lot
division for Robert Meyer and Frank and Arleen Meyer in Section 3.
Attached is the application, site map showing the proposed
subdivision, a letter from the Metropolitan Council stating that what
the Meyer's propose is allowed in AG Preserves and a list of the
property owners that were notified of this public hearing. Larry
Bohrer does have some concerns and his report will be sent to you
under separate cover.
What the Meyer's propose is to divide this 12 acres off of the entire
54 plus acres that is in AG Preserves so that their son (Robert Meyer)
can build a home on this 12 acres. Please read the letter from the
Metropolitan as it explains that what the Meyer's propose is allowed.
However, because the 10 to 12 acres that the Meyer's propose to
subdivde does not qualify for AG Preserves, a rezoning to RR is
necessary. It should be pointed out that although this 10 to 12 acres
would not be in AG Preserves, (because of our zoning regulations it
must be RR), it is still included as part of the original AG Preserves
agreement, and therefore, no other home could be constructed on the
remaining 43 acres until such time as the Meyer's initiate expiration
of their AG Preserves status, and expiration takes place eight years
after that notice is given. All of the benefits and restrictions of
agrucultural preserves status continue until actual expiration eight
years after notice. Another point that should be made is that this
rezoning is entirely at the discresion of the local governing body.
If any Commission member would like to read the complete Metropolitan
Agricultural Preserves Act, it is available at the city office.
Mr. Meyer should be present at this public hearing to answer any
questions you may have.
If the Commission finds this application favorable, its recommendation
to the City Council should be to adopt an ordinance rezoning the 10 to
12 acre to RR, and a second recommendation should be to grant the
large lot division.
3. Public Hearing for preliminary plat (and final plat) for Don
Bishop Clapp/Thommsen at 8451 Stillwater Blvd. N. (That part of the
NW1/4 of Section 21, T29N, R21W which lies south of CSAH 6 containing
145.2 acres more or less.
What Mr. Bishop proposes is to subdivide part of this tract shown on
the preliminary plan as Phase I (11 lots) under a clusster
development. A variance for lots exceeding the 2.0 acre maximum will
be heard by the City Council.
AGENDA MEMO FOR JULY 22, 1985 PLANNING COMM. MEETING PAGE 2
Attached is the application, map, and list of residents receiving
notice of this public hearing. Larry Bohrer's report will be sent to
you under separate cover.
Bruce Folz will be at this meeting, representing Mr. Bishop, to
address any concerns of the Planning Commission.
4. Simple lot division for Gordon and Betty Lundholm at 2737 Lake
Elmo Avenue.
Attached is the application and site map. What Dr. Lundholm proposes
is to add on to parcel 0360 approximately 130 feet by approximately
500 feet, and to subdivide prarcel 0370 as shown. There presently is
no home located on parcel 0360, and by increasing the size of this lot
it would be more conforming to the city code.
Dr. Lundholm is well aware that he would be landlocking the parcel in
the back, and that this would not be a buildable lot, but he has no
plans to do anything with this property until such time as Legion
Avenue would come thru.
The applicant is in reality asking for two sale lot divisions; one
for parcel 0370 and the other for parcel 0360. The City Council has
had a few applications before it recently where similar requests were
made. The Council has waived the platting requirements (which is
required when more than one subdivision is requested on an unplatted
parcel of land), because the applicants were not creating new lots,
(as in parcel 0360) they were making some non -conforming lots more
conforming to the city code.
Larry Bohrer's report on this application will be sent to you under
separate cover. Dr. Lundholm should be present at this meeting to
answer any questions you may have.
5. Site Plan Review: Lake Elmo Family Physicians
Mr. Rick Christenson of Anderson/Dale Architects, representing the
Lake Elmo Family Physicians Clinic, will present the site plan for a
proposed physicians clinic on Lot 1, Block 1 of Brookman's Addition.
This clinic is proposed to be 4500 square feet, with an additional
2600 square feet of area for lease space. This building will connect
with the existing building that is now owned by Bill Stouvenel for a
total square footage of 10,100 square feet.
The proposal will actually. include Lots 1 and 2 of Block 1 of
Brookman's Addition, with some minor lot line changes being proposed
by the developer. Since the lot line alterations will not change the
size of Lots 1 and 2, this may be able to be done administratively.
Mr. Christenson will be present with a model of the proposed clinic,
plus soil information and maps, and should be able to answer any
questions from the Commission. He will meet with Larry Bohrer on
Friday, July 19, 1985 and we should have some kind of a report from
Larry available for the meeting.
AGENDA MEMO FOR JULY 22, 1985 PLANNING COMM. MEETING PAGE 3
1. Attached is
2. Attached is
approval of the
6. Discussions:
1. Signs: Fred Nazarian and Carol Kuettner should have more
information regarding our current sign ordinance to present to the
Commission.
Regarding the sign on Highway 5 that has been discussed at previous
meetings, I have talked with Bill Keane from the Minnesota Department
of Transportation and he states that there is no State law on setback
requirements, nor is there a law governing the size of signs. The
State's permit fees are based on the square footage of the sign, but
there is no law as to how big, small or high the sign can be. The
spacing on an interstate highway is 500', plus they have to be at
least 100' away from school or church property. Also, the State only
allows signs in Commercial, Industrial or Business Zones. However,
Mr. Keane stated these rules apply to new permits, and the State does
not get involved in enforcing codes for existing signs.
2. Hutchinson Property: I am still waiting for an opinion for
the City Attorney as to whether or not the City can change the Comp.
Plan without this being requested by the property owner.
I have enclosed the ordinance (7949) granting a rezoning from RR to
Industrial to the Hutchinson property, a memo from Larry Whitaker, and
a memo from Ray Marshall in which this rezoning was recinded. The
Hutchinson property is now RR - it is not AG.
3. Golf Courses in the RR zone.
OTHER INFORMATION
the most recent Newsletter.
a letter from Washington County regarding the City's
boarding care home.
3. Update on City Council action from July 16,
1985:
- Approved a 3.2 beer license transfer at Cimarron Park.
- Heard the concept plan from Sam Emerson regarding the golf
course and approximately 70 homes at the southeast corner of CSAH 13
and CSAH 70. The Council seemed receptive to this concept plan
although it should be noted that Mr. Emerson has made no formal
application to the City.
- Agreed to enter into a one year contract with Bellaire
Sanitation for a recycling center in Lake Elmo (location to be
selected by Bellaire and the City.
- Approved a simple lot subdivision and variance to platting
requirements to Augustine Taylor.
AGENDA MEMO FOR JULY 22, 1985 PLANNING COMM. MEETING PAGE 4
- Approved a variance for drainfield setback and road vacation
for David Strusinski in Lane DeMontreville.
- Larry Bohrer provided a feasibility report on the proposed
pumping to Shafer pit from Lake Jane. It was Larry's contention that
this pumping would not be feasible as presented. The City Council
will go ahead with the public hearing that has been scheduled for
Wednesday, July 24th at 8:00 p.m. although it is my understanding that
the project will not be ordered.
- The discussion with County Commissioner's Schaefer and Evert
has been postponed until the August 6, 1985 City Council meeting.
- Approved the request from the Maintenance Foreman to keep our
MEED employee thru September, 1985 to work in the parks.
- Regarding the advertising sign on Highway 5, the Council asked
if there have been any complaints regarding this sign and indicated
they had no major concerns with the sign. Carol Kuettner explained
the concerns of the Planning Commission. The Council instructed the
Administrator to contact the property owner and/or Naegle Sign Company
and suggest they come in and apply for a variance to the code so that
the sign can remain.
- Accepted the
article will appear
- Will continue
Administrator.
resignation of Newslette Editor, Mary Meyer and an
in the Newsletter seeking a replacement.
to review the applications for City
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LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
( JULY 8, 1985
Chairperson Nazarian called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in
the Council chambers. Present: Schiltz, Kuettner, Novak,
Lundquist, Johnston, Prince, Lang and Moe (arrived 7:16). Absent:
Lyall, Graves.
1. Minutes: June 24, 1985
M/S/P Schiltz/Kuettner - to approve the minutes of the June 24,
1985 Planning Commission meeting as presented. (Motion carried
6-0-2<Lang, Prince>)
2. Large Lot Subdivision for Leroy Augustine at 2490 Manning
Avenue South:
Mr. Glen Taylor, contractor for Mr. Augustine, presented what Mr.
Augustine is proposing to do. It is actually two simple lot
subdivisions. He proposes to create parcels A and B, while at the
same time adding a parcel of land to the existing parcel (2500
owned by Mr. Schmidt). Mr. Schmidt has asked to purchase this
parcel of land from Mr. Augustine as there was some confusion when
his house was built, and it appears that his house was constructed
very close to the property line. Mr. Schmidt would like this
property to prevent a house from being constructed on this parcel,
close to his existing house, in the future. Mr. Augustine has
indicated that the property that would be added on to the Schmidt
property would be of no use to anyone else.
The City Code states that "Platting shall be required for the
subdivision of a tract of land which is to be divided into two or
more lots or parcels for the purpose of transfer of ownership,
building development, or for tax assessment purposes and anyone of
the resulting lots or parcels will have a land area of less than
five (5) acres".
Johnston - asked if the septic system is 3 feet vertically from
the 100 year high flood mark. Would like a clarification for the
City Council.
Nazarian stated that the land going to Mr. Schmidt should be
deeded as strictly as a single parcel of land (100 x 295 foot
strip should be added legally so that it is a single parcel of
land, not to be subdivided at any further time).
M/S/P Prince/Kuettner - to recommend to the City Council adopting
a resolution approving a large lot subdivision for Mr. Augustine
at 2490 Manning Avenue contingent upon the applicant meeting the
requirements outlined in the City Engineer's memo dated July 3,
1985. (Motion carried 8-0).
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
3. Work Plan
1. Signs (continue discussion)
Lundquist -
advertising
advertising
Prince - we
definitons,
JULY 8, 1985 PAGE 2
suggested they discuss the distance between
signs. Our code does not say specifically between
signs and this should be clarified.
should come to some sort of consensus on the
distance between signs and the size of the signs.
Kuettner referred to the beginning of the sign ordinance. The
purpose of this section is to protect and regain the natural and
scenic beauty of the roadside through the City, etc., and we could
restrict the type of sign, (size, elevation) on that basis. She
suggested limiting advertising signs only to the I-94 corridor.
Novak - would like to prohibit the possible eight advertising
signs along the I-94 corridor.
The sizes of the two basic signs that Neagle will put up is 12' x
25' and 14' x 45'• Prince and Johnston would like to see the 300
foot 12' x 25' sign.
The Commission requested information regarding the size and
setbacks for signs from Mn/Dot.
2. Hutchinson Property
In our comp. plan the Hutchinson Property is zoned industrial for
the future and the Planning Commission has to address this fact.
Do we want to do anything and if we do want to change it how do we
do it. Restrictions on the Hutchinson property was requested by
Nazarian as currently zoned. Johnston brought up the restrictions
of the surface water run-off. A suggestion was made to invite the
parties together and discuss their needs and interests and review
the restrictions. What is allowed in our industrial zone Nazarian
questioned. Copies of 301-45, 46 and 47 have been requested for
Dan, Dave, Dean and will be sent. Nazarian would like the
commission to come in with some preferred opinions as to what you
would like for the next meeting.
3. Other
The Planning Commisson meetings will be held at 7:30 effective
with the July 22, 1985 meeting.
A memo was discussed from Zack Hansen regarding the Public Works
Garage Site as the best composting site.
Referred to a letter regarding the 201 Program -on -site sewer
project written by Attorney's Holmes and Graven objecting to this
program on the grounds that the program proposes an expensive,
inadequate and unreasonable solution to the problems of sewage
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JULY 8, 1985 PAGE 3
disposal within the City and the 201 Program is no solution, but
a patchwork attempt to rescue a few septic systems.
Nazarian complemented the Planning Commission on the work done on
the I-94 Overlay and Comp Plan Amendment and the work done on
Hecla. Both were approved by the City Council with a 5-0 vote.
Lundquist brought up that it may be necessary to amend the code
for golf courses and would like this item to be on the agenda for
the next meeting.
Prince suggested to proceed with our own recycling program and has
contacted Bellaire Sanitation and will make a presentation at the
July 16th Council Meeting. Bellaire Sanitation is the only one
that bid for the the County, but a letter will be sent to each
license collection service and ask if they would be interested.
M/S/P/ Moe/Johnston - to adjourn the meeting at 8:48 p.m. (Motion
carried 8-0)