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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-28-85 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final decisions on these matters. Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application. For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated. AGENDA LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION OCTOBER 28, 1985 7:30 P.M. Meeting Convenes 1. Minutes - October 7, 1985 2. Planning Commission Meeting Time 7:45 P.M. 3. Simple Lot Subdivision at 3200 Lake Elmo Avenue Applicant: Constance Smith 4. Section 32 Discuss revised draft of Land Use Concept Plan 5. Temporary Commercial Buildings 6. Index for City Code Book 7. Procedure Sheet 8. Water Project Update 9. Development Adjacent to Lake Elmo 10. Other a. Planning Institute LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 7, 1985 Chairman Nazarian called the meeting to order at 7:38 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. Present: Prince, Lundquist, Novak, Moe, Lyall (Arrived 8:20), City Engineer Bohrer, City Planner Chelseth and City Administrator Overby. 1. Minutes - September 23, 1985 M/S/P Lundquist/Pr.ince - to approve the minutes of the September 23, 1985 Planning Commission meeting as presented. (Motion carried: 4-0-2<abstain: Moe, Lyall>). 2. Section 32 and 33 Land Use Plan City Engineer Bohrer explained that the City has received petitions for installing sanitary sewer, water systems, and drainage improvements in Section 32 and a portion of Section 33 within the municipal urban service area of Lake Elmo. The City Engineer has to prepare reports on the sewage flows, the water consumption demand, and what the aeTaSs-water runoff characteristics are going to be. These are dependent entirely upon anticipated land use in the area. When the land use plan was developed for the property owners it was predicated on the fact that the Waste Energy Plant was going in here and a large area was designated for potential industrial use. Now that the Waste Energy Plant will be located in Newport, Bohrer would lke the property owners input as to any changes so he can get the reports done and back to the City in a timely manner. Chairman Nazarian pointed out that one thing that happened in the area south of Hwy. 5 and east of 694 was that the Canadian Northwestern Railway came in with a plan for their auto unloading facility there. Oakdale turned it down because in their opinion it was not a suitable use for that land, but were looking for light industrial in that area. Rob Chelseth mentioned that industrial land can take greater advantage of an attractive environmental setting as residential eats up alot of land with grading and changes and brought up the possible impact of freeway noise on a residential area. Johnson, Connco Shoes, asked if there was any validity in that Oakdale has requested access to some of the sewer availability if the sewer came up the street. Chairman Nazarian answered that Oakdale did request this once if it crossed loth St. Bohrer went on to say that Oakdale is not asking to use Lake Elmo's sewer capacity, but the area north of 10th St. is sewered now but they have to pump their sewage with pump stations which is expensive. Eventually, they would like to get rid of these pump stations and have the sewage run by gravity. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 7, 1985 Page 2 During discussions between the Lake Elmo and Oakdale planning commissions it was brought up that Oakdale cannot put sewage through Lake Elmo because the restriction is down in the metropolitan sewers. Oakdale asked if Lake Elmo is going to put in sewer and would they consider sizing the pipe bigger or burying it deeper with Oakdale picking up the additional costs. If and when the bottlenecks in the metropolitan sewers get taken care of, then Oakdale could run sewage through there. Chairman Nazarian brought up that south of 15th St. that usedto be swampy is now being developed as townhomes and known as Oakdale Ponds. They have taken all of the area that must hold water to comply with the 1% rule and turned it into actual ponds and use that as a part of the sales pitch. This same type of concept could be used because dealing with wetlands is not always negative because of the way Oakdale handled it. In the area considered transition zone which Enright and Fraser are property owners, Mr. Bob Fraser would like to see general business. Mr. Enright was not at the meeting to voice his opinions. Mr. Joe Brockman would like the Industrial District taken off and would like to see office and general business with some mixture of R2 and R4. The Energy Park District is owned by Hildebrandt, Dreher and Enright. Bob Dreher would like his area R2 and R4. Mr. Hildebrandt nor Enright was there for their input. Mr. Kurvida does not have any plans for developing because his home site is inside this sewered area and most of the land east of it is not sewered, but he would go with R1-R2. He questioned the plan for section 33. Bohrer answered the plan is not definite until the city updates their comprehensive plan for 1990-2000. See attached land use concept plan. Bohrer explained the two ways for assessment for utilities are trunk charges and lateral charges. Trunk charges are based on the amount of land you own and the amount of sewage that is going to come off that land. Lateral charge is for the land that can, today, hookup to the sewer directly. The property along the routes where the sewer would go will have a combination of two charges, but where the properties do not directly abutt the trunk sewers will only have one type of charge. If Mr. Kurvida was never to use his sewer rights, they could be sold/transferred to another area if the M.U.S.A. line is extended to the east. Bohrer mentioned that our sewer allotment in the Metropolitan System is about 458,000 gallons per day. Within this area, by the time you take out all the roads and everything, there is 458 acres in that area. If the sewer capacity were equalized everyone could use a 1,000 gallons per acre. Single family homes would be 4 houses per acre, 9,600 sq.ft. of office space per acre or 28,000 LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 7, 1985 Page 3 sq.ft. of warehouse space per acre. Residential allocation is not based on square footage, but other allocations are. Chairman Nazarian stated there will be a 3-day cooling off period to look at the concept plan and to let Larry Bohrer know of any changes. A copy of the new land use concept map will be mailed to the property owners for further input. Johnson, Connco Shoes questioned the surface water storage areas and to what degree will that influence the acreage that is available to build on. How different is this area from a typical area. Bohrer explained that Ramsey/Washington Metro Watershed District believes in more central ponding areas or more regional ponding areas. The other areas of Lake Elmo are in the Valley Branch Watershed District which believes that every developer provides their own storage on their own property. 3. Astro Video Site Proposal Mr. Jerry Durheim of Astro Video expressed his interest for a non -permanent building site located where Connco Shoes is located now for retail trade of satellites for televisions. Durheim has worked out a tentative agreement with Connco Shoes for a 10,000 sq.ft. lease for a temporary landscaped building. Our code does not allow a second detached building. If a permanent structure were to be built, the land would have to be split and then you have the minimum district requirements. The service connection will be a hook up from the Connco Shoe advertising sign and the toilet facilites will be provided by Connco's indoor facilities otherwise the use of satellites of a different kind. There is nothing in the code to cover short-term or long-term temporary buildings and Chairman Nazarian would like to get together with City Administrator Overby and City Attorney Knaak on this. Johnson, Connco Shoes, stated that this is a good location and has no opposition to this proposal and feels it would be compatible with the uses they have there. M/S/P Prince/Moe - to table this until the October 28th Planning Commission Meeting. (Motion carried 6-0). M/S/P Moe/Lyall - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at 10:00 p.m. (Motion carried 6-0). Amended Surface water LAND USE CCNCEPT PLAN SECTION 32 AND WEST I/4 SECTION 33 SCALE: I"=800' JANUARY 1983 REVISED 4/85 REVISED 10/85 0) 0 : I � 10th STREET C$AH 7Q i Rim. 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