HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-12-85 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public'
hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City
Council makes all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
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may postpone consi'dcrationi of an 'applit'ati°oni that is incomplete
and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports
prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and
discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request
to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came
late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
7:30 p.m.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
NOVEMBER 12, 1985
Meeting Convenes
1. Minutes October 7, 1985
Minutes October 28, 1985
2. Introduction of New Members
3. Final Plat Approval -
Phase 2 of Tartan Meadows
(Note: The City Engineer's review of this
Final Plat application will be mailed under
separate cover).
4. TENTATIVE - Subject to Request by Applicant to
be on the Agenda.
Simple Lot Subdivision
at 3200 Lake Elmo Avenue
Applicant: Constance Smith
5. Revised Section 32 Land Use Concept Plan -
Approval and Forwarding to City Council
6. Information needs of members:
a. Does everyone have a current, updated
copy of the 1979 Comprehensive Plan?
b. How should new members become acquainted
with their role and responsibilities?
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8:15 P.In• 7. Revion§/Mii,endments to the 1979 pomprehensive
Plan
City Engineer Larry Bohrer and City Planner
Rob Chelseth will be present to help explain
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LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
OCTOBER 28, 1985
Chairperson Nazarian called the meeting to order at 7:36 p.m. in
the City Council Chambers. Present: Moe, Lyall, Graves,
Lundquist, City Administrator Overby. Absent: Prince, Lang,
Novak, Schiltz.
This was not an official Planning Commission meeting due to the
lack of a quorum.
1. Minutes - October 7, 1985
Tabled until Planning Commission meeting on November 12, 1985.
2. Planning Commission Meeting Time
Consensus of the Commission was to keep the starting time of the
Planning Commission Meetings at 7:30 p.m. Because of Veteran's
Day falling on Monday, November llth, the next Planning Commission
meeting will be held on Tuesday, November 12, 1985.
3. A. Simple Lot Subdivision at 3200 Lake,Elmo Avenue
Applicant: Constance Smith/Matt Northrup
Constance K. Smith proposes to subdivide her 5.9 acre parcel at
3200 Lake Elmo Avenue into two lots. Since the property was
previously platted as Lake Elmo Park, it can be divided by a
Simple Lot Subdivision. The property also abuts Lake Elmo which
means shoreland regulations apply.
In his letter to the Planning and Zoning Commission dated October
24, 1985, City Engineer Bohrer stated that the proposed lots meet
all of the requirements for lot size and setbacks of the Zoning
Code.
Regarding shoreland regulations, Bohrer stated the proposed new
lot can meet these regulations for the house and septic system
setback and minimum building elevations. The lot probably does
not meet the lot width requirements in the Shoreland District.
The City Code requires a lot width of 150 feet, but does not
describe where the 150 feet is to be measured. Bohrer checked
with the DNR and the intent of the State Shoreland Regulations is
that there be 150 feet of lake frontage. The original parcel only
has 280 feet of lake frontage so it is impossible for each lot to
have 150 feet, but by reducing the road frontage and increasing
the width at the lake, the intent of the Shoreland Ordinance
could be more closely met.
Percolation tests and soil borings were furnished to show .hat an
adequate septic system could be constructed on this new lot. But,
assuming a four bedroom home and using the slower of the two perc
rates, the area tested is sufficient only for the primary
drainfield.
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City Engineer Bohrer recommended the subdivision not be approved
until the following conditions are met:
1. Revised lot width more conforming to shoreland regulations
of 150 feet minimum.
2. Show location and suitability of alternate drainfield site.
3. Provide a statement by a soil scientist or other qualified
person stating that side hill seepage will not occur on the
primary drainfield site.
Mr. Northrup felt that the second system would not be a problem
because a pump could be put in and that the seepage could be taken
care of at a later date. The reason for the irregular lot shape
was to meet the 1 1/2 acre requirement and have the required road
frontage. The existing house is very large and at some point in
time would like to divide the lot into two lots.
Mr. Northrup expressed concern that he did not receive the
requirement of conforming to shoreland regulations of 150 feet
minimum, but felt that he has met all the requirements given to
him by the City office. Chairman Nazarian expressed his confidence
in the City staff's ability to have provided the required
informtion to Mr. Northrup when he made applicaton.
The Northrups understand that they could get three lots out of
this parcel with a variance for the shoreland. Chairman Nazarian
suggested Northrups contact the DNR and find out about the
requirements for the three lots.
This item will be scheduled on the next Planning Commission
meeting on November 12, 1985 only if the Northrups contact the
City Office and request it.
M/S/P Graves/Nazarian - to table this item until notified by the
Northrups when to put it on the agenda. (Motion carried 5-0).
b. Tartan Meadows
Mr. Willard Morton discussed his preliminary plat for 19
lots in Tartan Meadows which average in size from 1 1/2 acres to
1.9 acres, Mr. Morton stated he has paid $2,700 for park
donations and donated park land. This will be verified by the
City Administrator. Graves brought up that the lots have to be
shown to be buildable and the required ponding should be
addressed. The Final Plat application has to be made with the
City office.
M/S/P Graves/Moe - to table this item until the Planning
Commission meeting on November 12, 1985. (Motion carried 5-0).
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4. Section 32
There was no new information brought up regarding the revised
10/85 Land Use Concept Plan, Section 32 and West 1/4 Section 33.
A suggstion was made by Mr. Enright to add some light industrial
west of Helmo Avenue.
5. Temporary Commercial Buildings
City Administrator Overby and Chairman Nazarian explained to Mr.
Johnson from Connco Shoes that they have looked into the City code
and found that there is no mechanism that would allow a temporary
building in addition to the regular building with two separate
entities of business on Connco's parcel of land.
6. Index for City Code Book
Bill Lundquist will work with the City office staff to complete
the index for the City Code Book.
7. Procedure Sheet
City Administrator Overby will look into the routing sheets that
are needed by the Planning Commission.
8. Water Project Update
There were three water related topics brought up. The Lake Jane
Flood Relief Project is proposed for 1987 at a cost of 4.2 million
dollars. This is not just for the Lake Jane area but upstream
lakes in Washington County. and the downstream impact including
Lake Elmo and Horseshoe Lake.
Another topic was the water supply for the Lake Jane Landfill
area. The representative for the City of Lake Elmo will be Arlyn
Christ for the discussion with Washington and Ramsey County. One
consideration is hooking up to the Oakdale Water Supply System.
The third topic was the test pumping project for 40 acre feet to
be taken off of Legion Pond and move it into Lake Elmo, while at
the same time to hold back the same amount onto Eagle Point Lake
in order to not increase the level of Lake Elmo and also to limit
the downstream impact.
9. Development Adjacent to Lake Elmo
Articles were pointed out regarding new development proposals in
Woodbury and an article on the proposed tax increment district in
Oakdale. City Administrator Overby brought up a concern where
Woodbury abuts Lake Elmo regarding the intersections crossing the
freeways and the traffic demand. Current zoning maps for Oakdale
and the freeway corridor portion of Woodbury were also discussed.
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A copy of the Metropolitan Development and Investment Framework
was handed out. This is the Metropolitan Council's plan and
program for managing metropolitan resources in order to bring
about the orderly and economic development of the seven -county
Metropolitan Area. The MDIF sets general directives for all
planning carried out under the Council's auspices, including
transportation, solid waste, parks and airports. City
Administrator Overby will look into how they arrived at the Lake
Elmo population and household figures.
10. a. Planning Institute
Planning Commission members Lyall, Moe and Novak are
interested in attending the 1985 Annual Planning Institute at the
Earle Brown Center held on November 22, 1985 in St. Paul at a
charge of $40 per person.
b. Legislation Passed
New legislation was passed during the 1985 Session which
clarifies the lines of authority between a local planning
commission and the city council. The sections referring to a 60
day time period and adoption of proposed plans or plan amendement
by a two-thirds vote are both consistent with the Lake Elmo Zoning
Ordinance requirements. The law also specifies that where a
comprehensive plan conflicts with a zoning ordinance, the
ordinance supersedes the plan. Effective July 1, 1985.
c. Work Plan
The Planning Commission's 1985 work plan was handed out
and discussed. Several of the items have been taken care of and
others have been updated.
d. Planning Commission Vacancy
Consensus of the Planning Commission was that they felt a
City Council member could be on the Planning Commission, but not
as a voting member. It was also noted that City Council members
are always welcome to attend.
M/S/P Moe/Graves - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at
9:50 p.m. (Motion carried 5-0).