HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-14-86 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public
hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City
Council makes all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission
may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete
and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports
prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and
discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request
to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came
late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
7:30 p.m.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
APRIL 14, 1986
Meeting Convenes
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: March 10, 1986
March 25, 1986
3. Concept Plan for Conditional Use Permit:
Utility Building in an R-R Zone -Bob Koltes, NSP
8:00 p.m. 4. Development Concept Plan for Dayton -Hudson Land;
Betty Herbert and Joe Fogarty, Edina Realty
8:30 p.m. 5. Fire Protection Standards in Planned Building
Groups - Fran Pott, Fire Chief
9:00 p.m. 6. Comprehensive Plan Update
a. 1979 Goal and Policy Statements
b. 1990 Future Land Use Plan and Map
c. Select review items for 4-28-86 meeting.
7. Adjourn
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
MARCH 25, 1986
Chairperson Prince called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in the
City Council Chambers. Present: Williams, Raleigh, Graves,
Novak, Reuther, and City Administrator Overby. Absent: Schiltz,
Moe, Bucheck, Martens, Haacke.
1. Agenda
Delete: 3. Simple Lot Subdivision request by Steve Grabski, 4.
Procedural Guidelines --City Attorney Comments. Add: Revision of
the Current Zoning District Map
2. Minutes: March 10, 1986
A concern was brought up to review in more detail the Steve
Grabski simple lot subdivision. Chairperson Prince stated that
requests can be made if there is an issue that needs more detail.
Tom Armstrong advised the commission that if the City does get
into a lawsuit the Court says that you can actually come up with
reasons for the City's actions that were never mentioned at the
meeting.
M/S/P - Raleigh/Graves - to table the minutes for more detail on
the Steve Grabski Simple Lot Subdivision request on the March 10,
1986 Planning Commission meeting for approval until the April 14,
1986 meeting. (Motion carried 6-0-1<abstain: Prince›).
5. Comprehensive Plan Update
Revision of the Current Zoning District Map
Dan Novak expressed a concern to update the current zoning
district map which has not been updated since 1983. He had been
advised by Washington County that it would cost approximately $800
and if you submit the request now you have a six to eighteen month
lead time before they can get to it.
City Administrator Overby explained that if you had an updated map
you could look at what the current zoning pattern is and how that
is reflected in the discussion on the plan. All the ordinances
are updated now so everything up to the Overlay Distict for I-94
has been properly recordedand filed so the zoning changes can be
incorporated and updated on the map.
Prince felt that this is not the appropriate time to do this
because we will be doing some changes in the action of working on
the comprehensive plan. It would be less costly for the City if
we do it at the end of our comprehensive plan update.
City Administrator Overby will update the small zoning map for the
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE 2
next planning commission meeting.
a. 1979 Goal and Policy Statements
Delete, Add
Residential
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It is the intent of this plan to restrict residential growth in
farm areas as discussed under agricultural goals and policies
Because there are no plans to provide urban service beyond-eet-i—on
33- the MUSA line during the planning period, and because
residential development poses many problems for rural areas,
growth must be controlled.
Gsmer-a-1.1iy., residential growth -sYou-1d- will be guided away from
farmlands, and be restricted to very low densities to prevent the
need for urban services.
Goals for Residential Development
* To -04m4-t-- restrict residential development to areas with access
-to necessary facilities, services and activities for residents.
Policies for Residential Development
Williams - When Rob Chelseth was here he kept saying how he
thought it was a meaningless exercise to develop 1 per 40 in Ag, 1
per 10 for Rural Residential and explained why. But there is
another philosophy behind this, one of a real delaying tactic to
hold some land available for future development twenty or thirty
years down the road.
Raleigh - In my opinion why couldn't you put a smaller number of
homes, such as four per 40 acres. To me seven homes per forty
acres gives a bonus of three saleable lots when there shouldn't be
a bonus at all.
Novak - I think one home per 10 acres or one home per three acres
is a terrible legacy to leave a City even though we are not
planning on any type of utilities at this point. I have the
following suggestion for "putting the brakes" on development in
the City: restore the Ag category, downzone some land by taking
some R-R land and make it Ag, take some R-1 land and make it R-R,
and take some commercial land and downzone it to R-1, R-R or Ag.
Graves - I think you have to have something in-between. You need
to have an opportunity for somebody to come in who wants to have a
little place to have a horse and not have forty acres, because he
isn't going to farm and what is he going to do with the rest of
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the acreage.
Armstrong - Nobody is entitled to a zoning of more than what they
are using. In zoning it is a legislative decision and as long as
there is a reasonable use for the land they can rezone it.
Prince - After we do the comprehensive plan we can review the
zoning code to address lot shape and extensions of roads in the RR
code. The transfer of density should be outlawed under the cluster
development standards.
Williams - I would be in favor of reducing the amount in RR and
making another kind of zone. In Grant Township there are specific
areas that are horse zones.
- -In rural residential zones with marginal agricultural soils,
woodlands, and similar characteristics, residential development
will be permitted on ten acre lots or at a density of -s..re-venr four
homes per 40 acres.(Also refer to cluster developments).
- -Residential development in R-1 zones (-be re-e r-8-- 30 4 is
per-40-1110 will be located within or adjacent to existing
urbanized areas, where necessary public services and utilities can
be provided. (address R-R lot shape in zoning code, transfer of
density, change R-R land to Ag on zoning map and land use plan
map).
Dan Novak suggested that the individuals on the City Council could
be contacted to discuss our reasons for the major change of these
two residential development policies.
- -Urban residential development in R-2 zones (4 huinc,o -p-er--a-c-re
or--riglrer) will be permitted only in areas with central sanitary
sewer, as well as other necessary public services and utilities.
- -Multi-unit residential developments in R-4 zones will -not be
permitted in areas withebt-t-central sewer and water utilities, or
in areas where other major municipal services (police/fire
protection, schools, etc canRist-be provided on a cost effective
basis. (Amended 4-14-86)
City Administrator Overby explained that in the section of the
zoning code that controls mobile home parks that are platted and
developed you have controlover the development of the park, can
rezone to R-3 to begin with and they have to meet the performance
requirements.
- --Mobile homes will be located in mobile home parks (R-3 Zones)
where public services such as sanitary sewer can be provided for
such high density developments or where allowed by statut?s. (Amended)
--All residential units should be designed, sited, and constructed
to conserve energy in lighting, cooling, and heating processes
according to the Lake Elmo City Code and the Uniform Building Code...
There was some discussion of eliminating this policy altogether
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MARCH 25, 1986 PAGE 4
--On-site sewage treatment systems will consist of a septic tank
and drainfield and an alternate drainfield site located in soils
capable of treating wastes without posing pollution problems.
Page 90.
--Programs will be studied to encourage the rehabilitation of
existing older homes to meet Metro Council requirements .
--Information regarding the natural features of a site, including
soils, natural drainage patterns, topography, groundwater,
wildlife habitat , etc., will be used extensively in determining
land use and development practices.
Commercial -Indus -tali -al
Existing commercial -a.nd- i-n &as-M48-k development in Lake Elmo is
centered around the "old village" in eastern Lake Elmo. Pressures
for additional commercial uses have occurred near or adjacent to
Lake Elmo's three major highway corridors, Highway 12, Highway 2.1-2-
5 and Highway36 . Although there will continue to be a need for
industries and commercial operations which serve the community,
large scale intensive commercial-indus4r4e4 use are generally
unsuited for a rural community with limited municipal services.
Consequently, all proposed commercial-end-tdustrial uses should
be carefully evaluated to avoid potentially serious consequences
such as groundwater pollution, increase in traffic, noise and
light pollution, compatibility with residential areas or the
costly extensionstot municipal services.
Prince thought these might be covered under the Goals and
Policies. Novak asked about the possible elimination of the
industrial category and to expand the definition of commercial.
The commission looked favorably on this suggestion.
City Administrator Overby asked if the commission would want alot
of CUP's regulating manufacturing in a GB zone or do you want them
there to begin with. He suggests to specify if you are going to
have any zones with light industrial or call it whatever you want,
shorten the list under what is called industrial now, and state
where you want those, but don't leave a loophole to put them into
GB. Now under GB it's mostly retail and convenience type
businesses, and I don't think you want manufacturing thrown in
with those.
Prince suggested the commission reread this section and the next
meeting will be to go over page 90 to the top page of 93.
City Administrator Overby will make an invitaion list for farmers
and resident large landowners to come to a Planning Commission
meeting and discuss alternative uses for their land.
M/S/P Prince/Williams - to adjourn the Planning Commission Meeting
at 10:05 p.m. (Motion carried 7-0).
Amended 4-14-86