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LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
FEBRUARY 9, 1987
Chairman DeLapp called the Planning Commission meeting to order at
7:30 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: DeLapp,
Williams, Bucheck, Raleigh, Reuther, Haacke, Simpson, Stevens,
Enes, Johnson (arrived 7:45 p.m.), City Planner Rob Chelseth and
City Administrator Overby. Absent: Hunt
1. Agenda
Add: 8. Discuss the Transfer of Industrial Park Uses to the
General Business Zoning District, Hand out Annual Planning
Institute Brochures
M/S/P Williams/Bucheck - to approve the February 9, 1987 Planning
Commission agenda as amended. (Motion carried 9-0).
2. Minutes: January 26, 1987
M/S/P Raleigh/Simpson - to approve the January 26, 1987 Planning
Commission minutes as amended. (Motion carried 8-0-1 Abstain:
Haacke).
3. Preliminary Plat: Lake Jane Highlands, Raymond Mester
City Administrator Overby handed out copies of a letter sent to
City Engineer Larry Bohrer from Northern States Power Company.
In the letter, NSP gave its approval of the plan subject to the
following: That a 20 foot wide access strip be maintained between
and along the east edge of the pond and the East line of NSP's
easement. NSP would have no objection to extending the holding
pond northernly so the pond has its required area.
Bill Rassmussen, engineer from Milner Carley & Assoc., submitted a
new plat. Lot width for lots 1-3, which are in the Shoreland
District has been revised to 150 feet in conformance with
Shoreland Regulations. Lot width for Lots 4-8 now meet or exceed
the 125 foot zoning district requirement. The plan has been
revised to show the filling required in the front yards and in Lot
8 to provide proper drainage to the street and pond. The grading
plan has also been revised to show the pond 10 feet farther to the
north and they relocated the overflow pipe, as per the City
Engineer's recomendation dated 1-22-87.
City Engineer Bohrer made the following recommendation in his
letter dated February 4, 1987 to the Planning Commission: The
revised preliminary plat, dated January 29, 1987, and revised
grading and drainage plan, dated January 30, 1987, meet all of the
City requirements and can be approved. There were two suggestions
which do not affect the preliminary plat approval, but can be
incorporated into the final plat. Firstly, the drainage easement
between the storm sewer outlet and the pond should be 40 feet
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FEBRUARY 9, 1987 PAGE 2
wide, not 20 feet as shown. Secondly, the entire area designated
as drainage easement in the rear of Lot 7 is not needed for
easement. The developer may consider decreasing the size of this
easement.
A concern about the steepness of Jane Count North prompted a
request for the City Administrator to contact the Fire Chief and
Deputy Sheriff to determine if either party was aware of past,
present or potential problems with that street from a fire
fighting access or safety -traffic aspect. Both individuals
responded that they have had no problems with Jane Court North and
do not anticipate any problems arising as a result of this
proposed development. City Maintenance Foreman, Dan Olinger,
confirmed that they do have problems plowing Jane Court due to the
steep incline. He suggested that perhaps Jane Court could be
extended south around the existing homes and be connected to 45th
Street to provide better access. This alternative is not in the
City's street plan.
Ann Bucheck asked where does the City stand legally if there is a
fire and the fire truck cannot reach the people. The City
Administrator stated he could contact the City Attorney to look at
the access and liabiliity concerns before the Council reviews this
application.
Mr. Romaine Buhl, 9447 Jane Court and Phillip Koubele, 9441 Jane
Court N,. stated that the stream flows between their lots and
Koubele has an erosion problem. Rassmussen explained that the
preliminary plat will be looked at by the Valley Branch Watershed
District. The City Engineer had found that the size of the
holding pond was adequate.
Marge Williams stated that the plat has met all the code
requirements, and has faith in our City Engineer that he has
looked at this carefully. Having a cul-de-sac off a cul-•de-sac
creates a very dangerous situation and she would like to see this
concern addressed before recommendation for approval. She would
reject this plat on public safety issues.
Steve Raleigh had a problem holding Mr. Mester financially
responsible for fixing the problem with the Dawcin Acres
development. The approval of that plat was a mistake. The
addition of eight new homes may compound the parking problem at
the bottom of the hill in case of a snowstorm, but the safety of
the hill still remains in question. The chances of extending the
road to 45th Street is probably less costly than degrading the
entire hill. Mr. Mester is meeting the code requirements, but the
safety issues of Jane Court North should be addressed by the City.
M/S/F Haacke/Reuther - to recommend to the City Council approval
of the Lake Jane Highlands Preliminary Plat subject to the VBWD
approval of the drainage concerns and the City Council addressing
the safety issues of Lake Jane Court such as considering a
possible extension to 45th St. off of Jane Court N. (Motion
failed 2-7 <DeLapp, Williams, Bucheck, Raleigh, Reuther, Stevens,
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Simpson›).
Ann Bucheck had a problem with the motion because she would like
to see the City address the issue of safety and a recommendation
made before it is approved.
Steve Raleigh could not support the motion because he did not
believe the safety issue was stated strongly enough. He would
like to recommend to the City Council that approval of this plat
be contingent upon the correction. of the safety problem of the
hill on Jane Court N.
M/S/P Raleigh/Bucheck - to recommend to the City Council approval
of the Lake Jane Highlands preliminary plat contingent upon the
correction of the safety problems that exist upon the hill on Jane
Court North by whatever means the City Council feels necessary
with a recommendation to extend Lake Jane Court to 45th or 47th,
and contingent on the approval of the drainage requirements by the
Valley Branch Watershed District. (Motion carried 7-2<Haacke,
Johnson›).
Barb Haacke and David Johnson voted against the motion because
they felt the safety issue should be looked at, but should not be
a contingency.
4. PUBLIC HEARING: Concept Plan and Preliminary Plat
Lake Elmo Heights 2nd Addition
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 8:35 in the City
Council Chambers.
The Planning Commission accepted the request by John Stibbe,
attorney for developer Don Bishop, that this matter be taken off
the planning commission calendar and be put on the City Council
agenda of February 17, 1987.
Chairman DeLapp'cl.osed the public hearing at 8:38 p.m.
Williams and Bucheck felt that because the Lake Elmo Heights 2nd
Addition plat was never approved, they should conform to the
present cluster standards.
M/S/P Reuther/Williams - to recommend to the City Council that the
new cluster standards (4 per 40 acres, 5 to 7 acres lots, no
housing density transfer) apply to the Lake Elmo Heights 2nd
Addition preliminary plat. (Motion carried 9-0).
5. General Concept Plan: Interstate Freeway Service Center
Planned Unit Development at Co. 15 & I-94;
Erickson Diversified Corp.
Mr. Gregory Erickson and representatives from the Erickson
Diversified Corporation presented their concept plan of Phase I
(32 acres) of a Planned Unit Development on 64 acres located at
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FEBRUARY 9, 1987 PAGE 11
the intersection of Manning Avenue (CSAH 15) and the I-94 frontage
road.
A staff review of Erickson Diversified Corporation Concept Plan
for a Planned Unit Development dated February 2, 1986 from City
Administrator Overby bad been given to the Planning Commission
members. Mr. Erickson picked up a copy of this staff review at
4:00 p.m. on February 9, 1987 and was surprised with the reception
by the City Staff. City Administrator Overby responded that
Planner Carl Dale came in to talk to him in November of 1985, and
from that time on, the City had only told the applicant that the
City would not look favorably on this project in this area. This
project was not consistent with the current Comprehensive Plan and
not consistent with the old 1979 plan because commercial
development was not allowed east of Cty 17 until after 1990. We
are operating under the Planned Unit Development requirements in
the code. We are at the first stage of the PUD application which
is the general concept plan whichwas addressed in the staff
review.
Chairman DeLapp stated the Planning Commission had received their
booklet and was well informed on what Erickson was proposing.
DeLapp explained that the primary subject they were concerned with
was the Land Use Plan and how consistent is this particular land
use with the Comprehensive plan. This concept plan is not
consistent with what we have in the plan. The Commission has to
decide if they are going to re-examine the plan for changes to
make this proposal consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
Rob Chelseth summarized that the planning commission is very
comfortable with the expression of the Future Land Use Plan map.
This type of use is not consistent with the type of future land
use district that is on the Future Land Use Plan Map.
Commission member Marge Williams appreciated the staff taking time
to write up a staff review. Williams felt the Erickson PUD Phase I
project was not consistent with the 1986 Lake Elmo Comprehensive
Plan. She understood their desire to build hede, but they (the
Planning Commi.sson) had spent a great deal of time on the
Comprehensive Plan and she was not in favor of going back and
redoing the Comprehensive Plan for this specific project. Williams
added that the comprehensive plan, which was well thought of and
not taken lightly, is a formal guide for the direction we want the
to take.
Steve Raleigh felt the documentation was excellent in quality and
had no questions left in his mind as to what they are proposing.
An approval by the Planning Commission of this proposed plan would
compromise the goals that they have worked on. They would be
compromising, in one step, the future Land Use Map. They could
not in good faith turn down the next application nor limit
development to the SW first, could not fulfill the goals in the
overlay district, and would end up with exactly the opposite of
what the Commission started out to do with the Comprehensive Plan,
Future Land Use Map and the Overlay District which was to have
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development progress from the southwest eastward. The decision to
push for development in the SW corner first is justified because
that corner of the City is within the urban services area.
Ann Bucheck stated that Erickson gave an excellent presentation.
Her concern was that we have a Comprehensive Plan and in this plan
it states that we would like to start development in one corner of
our city. We had public hearings for our new comprehensive plan
where we talked about Section 32 & 33 which would be the area for
the development to go. This proposal does not conform to our
Comprehensive Plan.
Barb Haacke voiced her concern about the size of the project being
in a non•-sewered area. DeLapp respondedthat the Met Council was
not in favor of a private treatment facility.
M/S/P Williams/Raleigh - to recommend to the City Council denial
of the Erickson PUD General Concept Plan based on reasons listed
in the staff review of 2-2-87 with the recommendation that the
City Administrator state these reasons in an abbreviated manner.
(Motion carried 9-0).
6. Lake Elmo Representative to Stillwater Area Economic
Development Corporation
The City Council considered this request on 2-3-87 and asked that
the Planning Commission discuss whether Lake Elmo should have an
official representative to the Stillwater Area Economic
Development Corporation.
M/S/P Williams/Johnson - to recommend to the City Council that a
representative be sent to the Stillwater Area Economic Development
Corporation. (Motion carried 8-1<DeLapp: we can do very well by
the way City Administrator Overby has handled it›).
The Planning Commission felt that a representative should either
closely follow the City's planning and development philosophy as
described in the 1986 Comprehensive Plan or at least act as a
"neutral observer". Therefore, the following motion was made.
M/S/P Williams/Raleigh - to recommend to the City Council the
appointments of Robert Enes to serve as the City's representative
with Barbara Haacke as the alternate to the Stillwater Area
Economic Development Corporation. (Motion carried 9-0).
7. Discuss Amendments to Interstate Corridor Overlay District
There was discussion on the various commercial, public and
institutional facilities listed with their SAC units in the
Interstate Corridor Overlay District because this list can be
misconstrued. It is in the code now because it has been published
in that format, but can be changed to eliminate the list. City
Administrator Overby stated that a request for SAC unit
determination would be made by the City Engineer prior to the
issuance of the Building Permit. We are not bound by the Metro
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Waste Control Commission's criteria.
Williams felt the SAC unit information is helpful and should be in
an appendice as information, but not published as part of the
ordinance. This was agreed with by the rest of the Planning
Commission.
DeLapp stated that the Metropolitan Council has had a policy of
not permitting any package sewer treatment systems other than
those that are municipally owned in existing areas. City
Administrator Overby added that no matter where that system is
there will not be regional funding for it outside the urban
services area.
M/S/P Bu.check/Williams - to recommend eliminating package sewer
treatment systems. (Motion caried 8-0-1<Haacke>).
Item #10 - City Attorney Knaak felt it would be reasonable to
allow a limited transfer of SAC unit densities. Raleigh disagreed
with the City Attorney for transfer outside of the MUSA area
because he felt the transfer of density is a reasonable approach
for those areas inside the MUSA line simply because if a problem
develops in that area it has a second solution. There is always
the possibility of sewering those areas. Transfer of density
outside of the MUSA line is poor planning.
Rob Chelseth suggested allowinn no transfer of density of SAC
units inside or outside the MUSA Line without central sanitary
sewer.
M1s-tr-wrrimu/Ina-ern to recommend aiIowTng trans3'er-oY-SAC
unit-deTiwfty -witnnrtne lvluST-line. (Nfo£Ion cT eda 8 5J�ynsori> 7.
See Pave 7 0/l
Item #11 Passed
Item #12 Signs - More information is needed on sign packages and
this will be put on as a work item. It should be decided if the
sign ordinance is adequate or should they review it in depth.
Item #13 is on the schedule for the next Planning Commission
meeting.
M/S/P Haacke/Raleigh - to add the discussion on the transfer of
Industrial Park uses to the General Business Zoning District as
the first item on the February 23, 1987 agenda. (Motion carried
9-0).
M/S/P Haacke/Reuther - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting
at 10:145 p.m. (Motion carried 9-0).
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Amended 2-23-87)
Based on the discussion of transfer of density of SAU Units, the
following motions were made:
M/S/P Raleigh/Williams - to recommend an amendment to the Overlay
District to not allow any transfer of density of SAC Units in those
areas that are outside the MUSA Line. (Motion carried 8-1 Johnson:
It is too restrictive and does not allow for any reasonable
development).
M/S/P Haacke/Reuther - to recommend an amendment to the Overlay
District to allow no transfer of density of SAC Units within the
MUSA Line. (Motion carried 8-1 Johnson: too restrictive, it might
allow for development prior to the engineering of the public
sewered service).
The Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council.
One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make
recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final
decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may
postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for
other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by the
City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the
application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed,
please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip;
or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
FEBRUARY 9, 1987
7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: January 26, 1987
3. Preliminary Plat - Lake Jane Highlands,
Raymond Mester
7:45 p.m. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: Concept Plan and Preliminary
Plat,
Lake Elmo Heights 2nd Addition
5. General Concept Plan: Interstate Freeway Service
Center Planned Unit Development at Co. 15 & I--94;
Erickson Diversified Corp.
6. Discuss Amendments to Interstate Corridor
Overlay District.
7. Lake Elmo Representative to Stillwater Area
Economic Development Corporation.
8. Other
9. Adjourn