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MARCH 9, 1987
Chairman DeLapp called the Planning Commission meeting to order at
7:30 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: DeLapp,
Bucheck, Hunt, Reuther, Simpson, Johnson, Haacke, Raleigh Absent:
Williams, Enes, Stevens.
1. Agenda
M/S/P Raleigh/Reuther - to approve the Planning Commission agenda
as presented. (Motion carried 9-0).
2. Minutes: February 23, 1987
MIS/P Reuther/Raleigh - to approve the February 23, 1987 Planning
Commission minutes as amended (Motion carried 7-0-2<Bucheck,
DeLapp>).
3. Upcoming Requests
The City Staff and the Planning Commission had agreed at the last
meeting taht the staff would report on upcoming requests for PZC
review, including public hearing meeting dates.
a. Concept Plan for Packard Park (R-1) Subdivision;
Gene Peltier
The staff has not received all the necessary materials. A public
hearing will be scheduled for April.
b. Public Hearing: Request for Rezoning from A to GB for
former Lehman building on Hudson Blvd. to allow manufacturing uses
under a Conditional Use Permit.
City Administrator Overby informed the Commission that Mr. Howard
Gelb of Trans -City Investments would be making a request for
rezoning from Ag to GB to encompass all the manufacturing uses
that are there. These uses would have to be allowed under a CUP
which would go with the owner. The public hearing will be
scheduled for April 27, 1987 based on the applicants ability to
make application.
4. Sketch Plan - Large Lot Subdivision & Rezoning:
Robert Turrentine, Washington County
Assistant County Attorney Robert Turrentine was present to
describe Washington County's proposal to purchase approximately
9.3 acres (figure chosen because it makes a nice even line from
Richert's property) of land located directly south of the County's
aeration system in West Sunfish Park. The land would provide
additional surface area to accomodate runoff and infiltration
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needs originating from the treated water coming out of the
aeration system. This process will take an estimated 5-10 years.
Turrentine stated the have no use for this land and a condition
could be added that the land be deeded to City after they are done
with it.
Ann Bucheck asked if the City was interested in acquiring more
land for the park. City Administrator Overby responded that the
City might be interested in accepting more land for parks. The 3-23-87
eftyLs-positron rs-that-we-have-eneugh-park-i-aed- The Parks Amended
Commission has talked about putting in bushes or trees, but they
realized that the cleanup operation would have an impact and has
no plans for developing this park. It is a long-term work plan.
Overby added that the MPCA has some authority over types of uses
allowed in the landfill site.
City Administrator Overby stated that this parcel would have to be
subdivided from the remainder of the Nippoldt property (70 acres).
Also, the land would have to be rezoned from the present
Agricultural zoning to Public Parks zoning in order to allow the
new 9-acre lot.
Steve Raleigh asked if this would create a land -locked parcel. If
it was part of the public park, there would be no access problem.
Raleigh felt we should keep track of the size of the pond and the
amount of water that will go on this property. Administrator
Overby answered that the City Engineer would look at that lot to
see that it is designed to take the infiltration, rather than
allowing the water to run off the site.
Lee Hunt asked if we were to turn the County down, what would the
alternative be. Turrentine felt that Nippoldt would probably sue
the County and make them stop which means the County would have to
reduce their pumping.
Some concerns the Planning Commission had were: what will happen
in twenty years, whose responsibility will it be if it needs a
clean up, what is the current use and the long-term intention,
some engineering studies needed as to what is happening out there,
preferred P-Public zoning, and was a statement from Mr. Nippoldt
needed. This application requires a public hearing.
5. Transfer of Industrial Uses to General Business Zoning
District
This subject was discussed at the last PC meeting (2-23-87). The
following items were agreed upon at that meeting:
1. The City should provide a review on the proper
method for limiting Industrial uses.
Goals:
a. No change in existing industrial -zoned land.
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b. No additional uses.
c. Feasibility of requiring Conditional Use Permits.
d. Provision for non -conforming situations.
Marge Williams expressed two points here:
(1) Eliminate the industrial zoning district.
(2) Rezone existing industrial uses/parcels to
General Business zoning, with Conditional Use
Permits or allowed to continue as non -conforming
uses that are "grandfathered in".
e. Distinction between Industrial zoned land in use and
Industrial zoned land not in use.
City Administrator Overby recommended that Industrial uses should
only be allowed in the General Business zoning district under the
Conditional Use Permit process. The CUP gives the City some
measure of control over such conditional uses. However, it should
be clearly understood that an industrial -manufacturing use which
fits one of the conditional use categories listed in General
Business zoning would have to be allowed by the City in any
General Business zone area in Lake Elmo. Thus, the Planning
Commission should carefully select which conditional uses are
allowed.
Rob Chelseth, the City's Consulting Planner, had suggested that
the City retain the Industrial zoning district --but only have
industrial zoning apply to parcels of land with existing
industrial uses in operation. Also, the zoning district should be
amended to list only those existing industrial uses as allowed
uses. This method limits the industrial zoning to existing,
allowed uses. Any other property could only request rezoning to
Industrial for one of those specified allowed uses.
Another argument Chelseth made for this method is that retaining a
limited version of Industrial zoning would be more defensible in
court than to have conditional industrial uses in the General
Business zoning district.
City Attorney Knaak continues to recommend that the existing
industrial businesses be specified as conditional uses in GB, and
that the Industrial zoning district ordinance be eliminated.
City Administrator Overby recommended that the Planning Commission
follow the City Attorney's advice. Also, the GB zoning district
should be amended to create a new sub -part which lists all
conditional uses, including those former industrial zoning uses
transferred to the GB zoning district.
Steve Raleigh pointed out the major complaints of an industrial
site is traffic and noise (traffic and operating).
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Chairman DeLapp suggested the name Industrial be replaced with a
"friendly" zoning and then Chelseth's solution would be acceptable
to him. DeLapp referred to Councilman Graves concern, with the
elimination of Industrial zoning, we did not have any intent to
eliminate any business we have. Graves would not vote for an
ordinance that would prevent a business from rebuilding if they
burned down.
Comments of the Planning Commission members were:
Bucheck: She could be swayed either way. She would like the City
Attorney's advice on what could be backed up in court.
Raleigh: He is not quite sure of the idea that allowing a CUP in
one corner necessitates that the same CUP be granted somewhere
else. The new second district should have a reasonable name and
only list the uses that exist.
Simpson: doesn't like the CUP idea. He prefers giving the zoning
a reasonable name and limited uses.
Haacke: prefer a reasonable name and listing uses.
Johnson: state the things we don't want and go with the CUP with
a GB zoning. Prefer limited manufacturing as defined in the code.
Reuther: suggest they be in their own zone, whatever the name
will be. These will be the only businesses defined.
Hunt: would like to know the defensible position of this change
because they are going against what the City Attorney recommends.
The consensus of the Commission was to create a new district in
name with probably types of uses. DeLapp rephrased this to leave
every business that is currently in an industrial zone to allow
them to maintain an existing business in a separate zoning
category with a different name than industrial, but the category
would have eliminated all uses that are not currently carried out.
M/S/P Haacke/Raleigh - to change the name of the Industrial zone
to an unnamed category and go through and eliminate the industrial
uses that are not being utilized. (Motion carried 7-1<Johnson:
should call it General Business and give them a CUP>).
At a later time the Commission will look at the business district
to see where it fits in. (See page 40, 7, 8, 9 & 10).
6. Comprehensive Plan
A. Metro Council Review - Chapters I -IV
Chapters I thru IV of the 1986 Comprehensive Plan were adopted on
11-18-87 by the City Council for an interim six month period. The
interim ordinance was published on 11-26-86 and will expire on
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5-26-87. The 1986 Comprehensive Plan was submitted to the Metro
Council and area units of government on 1-23-87.
City Administrator Bob Overby received a letter from Metro Council
Chair Steve Keefe, dated February 13, 1987. Keefe indicated that
the agency will conduct its review of the Lake Elmo Plan within 90
days from receipt of the proposed amendment. The 90-day review
will end on 4-30-87.
Staff review concerns were as follows:
1. The Metro Council staff has indicated there may be a
potential impact on the aviation system (Lake Elmo Airport)
due to the proposed plan amendment. They have met with the
City Administrator and requested that the City provide more
information in regard to a concern about residential
development of land located west and southwest of the
airport.
2. Resolve an inconsistency between the 1986-2000 Future Land
Use map, which indicates numerous areas of agricultural
future land use and the current zoning of those areas
which is Rural Residential.
3. Provide more information on the potential housing
densities to be allowed within the Metro Urban Service
Area, based on the Future Land Use Plan.
The City staff will be preparing information to address these
concerns and present the recommendations to the Planning
Commission for review.
The Metro Council staff has told the City Administrator that the
agency review of the Lake Elmo Comprehensive Plan Amendment should
be completed first. Then, Lake Elmo may submit its revisions to
the new/amended plan for Metro Council review in a second Plan
Amendment submittal process.
B. Chapter V - Technical Data Appendices
This information has been prepared in draft form for 3 of the 11
proposed appendices. Revisions to these first three appendices as
well as corrections and re -writing of the other 8 appendices needs
to be done this year. Once the draft appendices have all been
reviewed and approved by the City, the information must be
submitted to the Metro Council as another amendment to the City's
Comprehensive Plan. City Administrator Overby will present this
information for review and then submit the material to the Metro
Council.
7. Other
Chairman DeLapp encouraged the Commission members to suggest
topics that they would like to see brought up as agenda items.
DeLapp suggested lookingAat the definition of setbacks for R1
as an example
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zoning.
M/S/P Johnson/Bucheck - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting
at 9:28 p.m. (Motion carried 9-0).
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The Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public
hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City
Council makes all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission
may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete
and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports
prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and
discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request
to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came
late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
MARCH 9, 1987
7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: February 23, 1987.
3. Upcoming Requests
4. Sketch Plan - Large Lot Subdivision & Rezoning:
Robert Turrentine, Washington County
5. Transfer of Industrial Uses to General Business
Zoning District
6. Comprehensive Plan
A. Metro Council Review - Chapters I -•IV
B. Chapter V - Technical Data Appendices
7. Other
8. Adjourn