HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-11-87 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public
hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City
Council makes all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission
may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete
and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports
prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and
discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request
to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came
late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
MAY 11, 1987
7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: April 27, 1987
May 4, 1987 (to be handed out)
3. Upcoming Requests
4. Pre -Application Sketch Plan:
Packard Park 2nd Addition
5. Preliminary Plat Approval: Springborn's
Green Acres 2nd Addition
(continued from 4-27-87).
6. Comprehensive Plan Revisions
A. Wording changes in Chapters I, II, III
7. Other
8. Adjourn
A` PkOYED
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES;'
MAY 11, 1987
Chairman DeLapp called the Planning Commission meeting to order at
7:31 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: DeLapp, Williams,
Bucheck, Reuther, Enes, Simpson, Stevens, Hunt, Haacke and City
Administrator Overby. Absent: Raleigh, Johnson.
1. Agenda
M/S/P Haacke/Bucheck - to approve the May 11, 1987 Planning Commission
agenda as presented. (Motion carried 9-0).
2. Minutes: April 27, 1987
May 4, 1987 (handed out)
The May 4, 1987 Planning Commission minutes will be approved at the
May 18th Planning Commission meeting.
M/S/P Bucheck/Simpson - to approve the April 27, 1987 Planning
Commission minutes as presented. (Motion carried 9-0).
The Planning Commission decided to add the Statute of Limitations as a
work item.
3. Upcoming Requests
May 18, 1987
Preliminary Plat, Lake Elmo Heights, Second Addition
More Comprehensive Plan revision items.
June 8, 1987
PUBLIC HEARING: Preliminary Plat for Packard Park Second Addition,
Gene Peltier
4. Pre -Application Sketch Plan: Packard Park 2nd Addition
The Lake Elmo platting ordinance requires that "the subdivider shall
meet with the Planning Commission and prepare a sketch plan which
explains or illustrates the proposed subdivision and its purpose. The
Planning Commission shall accept the information received, but takes
no formal or informal action which could be construed as approval or
denial. of the proposed plat." The development application form, list
of adjoining proeprty owners, Valley Branch permit application and
plat map were included for the Commission's review.
Bruce Folz, representing Gene Peltier, presented the Pre -Application
Sketch_Plan of Packard Park 2nd Addition. This property is bounded on
the east by Legion Avenue, the property to the north is owned by Earl
Goerss and the property to the south is owned by Peter Durand. About
two or three years ago, they came to the City to ask to rezone the
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MAY 11, 1987 PAGE 2
eastern portion for Phase I. The City rezoned the east 1,090 feet
• from Rural Residntal to R-1. What they are asking now is to plat
this property and do the first phase which is an 8-lot subdivision
plat.
The City put together a Section 24 street plan which showed the
• planned roadways through three major landowners; Earl Goerss, Dr.
Lundholm and Don Durand. The Planning Commission requested a copy of
this street plan.
Marge Williams had a concerned about the ponding area. She had talked
to Cliff Adkins and found that this development would be using his
pond. Bruce Folz responded that, for the first phase, three would be
no ponding required. In the second phase they would have to get an
easement from Adkins to allow the 100 year overflow to come down
(about 30 feet between Peltiers property and the 100 year flood
elevation). Gene Peltier asked Peter Durand about buying the land
down to the ponding areas because it would be good planning. Durand
did not want to sell it, but might consider it if it was around
$10,000 an acre. Another concern Williams brought up was if Durand,
• Lundholm or Goerss were to develop, how would this affect the whole
ponding situation. Folz added that City Engineer Bohrer will make the
ponding recommendations that they will be going by.
is one home
Ann Bucheck stated that there ar-e-two-Y.eraes in Eden Park that had to
have the septic system replaced because it was under water. The other
home is pumping water out of their basement because of the high water
table. Folz responded that elevations were set, but the City allowed
the house and drainfield to be put in too low. There is land that was
donated to the City to be park land which is completely under water.
• Ann Bucheck also brought up that the first phase is in R-1 zoning, but
the third additon is in RR zoning. Folz responded that before this
was to be developed, it would have to be rezoned to R-1. Folz added
that the comprehensive plan calls for this Section 24 area to be R-1
and is just a matter of time. Bucheck answered that the Future Land
Use map doesn't show that it will be rezoned. Folz said that it is
not economicaly feasible to put the roadway through there under RR
zoning.
Bucheck asked if there will be convenants for underground utilities.
Bruce Folz said that our ordinance requires underground utilities.
Ann brought up a home that has a telephone pole in the Eden Park area
and was concerned when this was going to be put underground.
Ed Stevens asked for future road plan maps. City Administrator Overby
stated that in 1986 nobody on the Planning Commission wanted a street
plan because it would anticipate development.
Linda Stone from Eden Park had a concern how the school buses are
going to make that turn going into the cul-de-sac in the Winter. Folz
responded that the cul-de-sac is on top of the hill and very flat and
they will have about a 6% grade on the hill.
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MAY 11, 1987 PAGE 3
5. Preliminary Plat Approval: Springborn's Green Acres 2nd Addition
(continued from 4-27-87)
M/S/P Enes/Haacke - to remove off the table the applicaation for
preliminary plat approval of Springborn's Green Acres 2nd Addition.
(Motion carried 9-0).
The prelimiary plat is identical to the 1978 concept plan except that
the applicants are only proposing eleven lots where the previously
approved concept plan was for twelve lots. This one lot reduction was
a condition of the 1984 approval for a simple lot subdivision of Lot
9, Block 2 of Phase 1. The condition was required so that the overall
density of the subdivision would not change. The land is properly
zoned R-1. Lots 1-7 of Block 1 are 1.12 acres to 1.33 acres in size
and therefore less than the 1.5 acre required today. This lot size
was approved in the PUD concept plan and complied with the average lot
size requirements at that time. All lots have the required frontage
on a public street.
The street was allowed to exceed the maximum length for a cul-de-sac
in the concept plan approval. The concept approval assumed that this
street would become a through street in the future. The applicants
had proposed a rural type street with side ditches for drainage.
Present engineering standards require an urban type street with
bituminous berm curbs. -The proposed street grades are well within the
City standards. Chairman DeLapp had a problem with an urban street and
would rather see a rural street.
Bruce Folz explained that soil borings were taken on Lot 1 where some
mottling was found 5 feet down. Folz will have complete tests on all
four lots and will not have the information for about a week. This
may require a change in lot configuration (approx. 30 feet north).
Steve DeLapp had talked to the Springborns about establishing
covenants for this development. Mr. Springborn wants to see if this
goes through first, before they establish their convenants.
Ed Stevens suggested items for general discussion of runoff, lot size,
street width and statute of limitations which would be a benefit to
the Planning Commission members.
a M/S/P Haacke/Simpson - to recommend that the City Council approve the
preliminary plat for Springborn's Green Acres 2nd Addition; contingent
upon the conditions noted in the City Engineer's review letter of
April 24, 1987 and to look at an urban street versus a rural street.
(Motion carried 8-1<Williams: the overall plan iS good, but feels we
should address the problem of the statute of limitations before she
could approve this plat›).
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6. Comprehensive Plan Revisions
MAY 11, 1987 PAGE 4
A. Wording changes in chapters I, II, III
City Administrator Overby provide the first part of several revison
items concerning page numbering, titles and numbering for tables,
charts and maps; and assorted changes in wording as proposed by the
Planning Commission on 10-27-86, but which were not incorporated into
the final draft revision approved 11-18-86 by the City Council.
M/S/P Enes/Simpson - to approve the 5-1-87 comprehensive plan
revisions and ask the staff to incorprate these correction into the
Comprehensive Plan and subject to a final review. (Motion carried
7-2<Williams: should not look at this out of context and disjointed,
but wants to look at it typed and then sent to the City Council;
Bucheck: she felt she could do these corrections herself and when all
the changes are made, then that will be the time to type it>)
M/S/P Simpson/Hunt - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at
9:25 p.m. (Motion carried 9-0).