HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-27-87 PZMLAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JULY 27, 1987
APPROVED
Chairman DeLapp called the Planning Commission meeting to order at
7:31 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. Present: DeLapp, Simpson,
Raleigh, Enes, Stevens, Haacke, City Engineer Bohrer (arrived 7:43
p.m.), and City Administrator Overby. Absent: Williams, Bucheck,
Johnson, Hunt, Reuther.
1. Agenda
M/S/P Haacke/Stevens - to approve the July 27, 1987 Planning
Commission agenda as presented. (Motion carried 6-0).
2. Minutes: June 22, 1987
M/S/P Stevens/Simpson - to approve the June 22, 1987 Planning
Commission minutes as amended. (See page 8--Federal Land Company).
(Motion carried 6-0).
Minutes: July 13, 1987
M/S/P Stevens/Raleigh - to approve the July 13, 1987 Planning
Commission minutes as amended. (See page 3, 4. Federal Land Company
and page 4, 5. Ed Gorman). (Motion caried 4-0-2<Abstain: Simpson,
Haacke›).
3. Upcoming Requests
August 10, 1987
PUBLIC HEARING: Ordinance amendment to allow a bakery,
bakery/restaurant, retail bakery, wholesale bakery or catering
business in the General Business zoning district.
City land uses on MnDOT-of-Way, 4th Street & Ideal Avenue
4. PUBLIC HEARING: Comprehensive Plan Amendment to Update
the Functional Road Classification
The need to update the City's functional road classification has
existed since the Comprehensive Plan was partially revised in 1986.
The urgency of revising this element became more apparent during the
discussions between MnDOT and the City in regard to the City's plans
to have the Municipal State Aid designation changed from Kimbro
Avenue-50th Street to Kimbro Avenue-43rd Street. This change cannot
be approved by MnDOT until the City submits a revised plan map for its
functional classification of local roads in Lake Elmo.
City Engineer Bohrer prepared a revised Functional Classification map
as a proposed amendment to the 1986 Comprehensive plan. City
Administrator Overby handed out copies of the Transportation
Facilities section of the 1979 Comprehensive Plan, which explains the
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purpose of the road classification and its relationship to municipal
i road projectS in Lake Elmo.
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 7:45 p.m. in the City
Council Chambers.
There were no comments for or against the comprehensive plan amendment
to update the Functional Road Classification.
City Engineer Bohrer explained that the principal arterial streets,
Interstate 94 on the South and 94 on the West, are unchanged in the
new plan. The Intermediate arterial street, Trunk Highway 36, stays
the same in the proposed plan. In the old plan the Minor Arterials
consisted of Highway 5, Manning Avenue on the East, Inwood Avenue on
the West and 10th Street or County Road 70. In the proposed plan CSAH
19B has been added as a minor arterial street. The most heavily
travelled road in Lake Elmo is 20th Street because of Tartan Park.
The biggest change are in the collector streets because recently the
City asked the Dept. of Transportation to have one of its Municipal
State Aid roads turned back to a local street and a new road with a
higher traffic count be classified as municipal state aid. The
definition of a Municipal State Road where Minnesota law provides that
a portion of the state gasoline tax comes back to he counties and the
cities in the form of county state aid and municipal state aid. In
the case of municipal state aid a City with about 5,000 in population
can designate up to 20% of its local road mileage as Municipal State
Aid Streets which provides for additional funds for construction,
engineering, right-of-way acquisition for collector type roads. There
are mininum design standards and construction standards that have to
be followed.
The proposed changes for 1987 Functional Classification map are:
a. Collector changed from Hytrail to DeMontreville Trail
b. Collector changed from Lake Jane Trail to 42nd Street
c. Collector changed from 50th Street to 43rd Street
d. Kelvin Avenue removed from Collector status
e. CSAH 19B added as minor arterial
f. CSAH 15 alignment changed due to construction
g. All other Municipal State Aid Streets added as collectors
Chairman DeLapp closed the public hearing at 8:45 p.m.
M/S/P Haacke/Enes - to recommend that the City Council approve the
revised Functional Classification for roads in Lake Elmo as presented
by the City Engineer. (Motion carried 6-0).
City Engineer Bohrer reported that there is a plan to overlay 10th
Street in 1989 from Manning Avenue to Inwood Avenue. This street took
a beating because it was the haul road for the I-94 construction. The
County would like to designate this as a County State Aid highway and
they will be doing a jurisdictional study to see if there are some
county state aid highways that do not function as such (DeMontreville
Trail for example). Bohrer would like to see County state aid status
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on highway 13 because then the City can designate 15th Street as a
Municipal State Aid Street (criteria for selection is it must start
and stop at another type of state aid road.)
-+ The question was asked when 50th Street would be blacktopped. Bohrer
answered it probably would not be unless it becomes a severe
maintenance headache for the City or the citizens petition for it.
M/S/P Haacke/Stevens - to recommend to the City Council that the
presently existing road map of the Comprehensive Plan be replaced by
the updated Map No. 10 submitted on 7-27-87 as Item #4. (Motion
carried 6-0).
- 5. Metro Council Strategic Planning Process
This subject was discussed at the June 8th meeting. It was agreed
that Commission members would note their own areas of interest,
prioritize the issue areas and add new issue areas if needed.
A Metro Council staff person told the City Administrator that
immediate feedback is not needed, as their timeline is open-ended for
this subject area. The intent is to initiate an ongoing method of
communication in the Twin Cities region. It was suggested that Mr.
Pat Scully, Lake Elmo's district representative on the Metro Council
be invited to a Planning Commission meeting. A Metro Council staff
person could also be available to attend.
New information was given to the Planning Commission such as the July
17th letter listing the Metro Council's work priorities for work in
1988. There will be a public hearing on the agency's 1988 Work
,Program and Budget, scheduled for September 10, 1987.
Chairman DeLapp commented that he could not find any emphasis by the
Metro Council on excellence. All they are concerned about is
minimizing the bad and not maximizing the good (housing, health,
education).
Barb Haacke felt these were very broad issues and any particular issue
that they might feel is relative to Lake Elmo could fit into the first
six items.
M/S/P Stevens/Enes - The Planning Commission finds itself unable to
come up with a priority list; therefore decides the matter
undiscussed. (Motion carried 6-0).
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6. Metro Council Population Estimate for Lake Elmo
Every year the Metro Council provides its estimate of local
population, housing types, household and persons per household. An
- estimate for April 1, 1987 and the 1986 data was handed out for
comparative purposes. City Administrator Overby calculated the
numerical and percentage changes from April 1986 to April 1987 to be
as follows:
1987 1986 No. & % Change
Housing Units 2,045 1,989 +56 2.8%
Household 1,994 1,939 +55 2.8%
Population 6,090 5,935 +155 2.6%
Persons/Household 3.04 3.06 -0.02 NA
The Metro Council estimates indicate a higher numerical and percentage
annual growth rate from 1986 to 1987 than was projected by the Metro
Council's own population projections in the 1986-Metro Development and
Investment Framework (+66 persons per year, 1986-1990 at 1.11% per
year). The estimated growth is also higher than the straight-line
population trend projection that was prepared by the City in 1986.
The Metro Council data appears to confirm what was stated in the 1986
Lake Elmo Comprehensive Plan, namely: That the Metro Council's
population growth forecasts for years 1990, 1995 and 2000 predict a
growth rate trend that is lower than the actual rate of growth that is
occurring in Lake Elmo.
The average annual growth rate in the 1986 MDIF was predicted to be 66
or 67 new residents per year, or a 1.1% annual increase from 1986 thru
1990. Then from 1991-2000, 40 persons per year or 0.6%. The average
growth rate from 1986-2000 is 47.5 persons per year or 0.8% per year.
The City's straight-line growth projections (based on actual
population change from 1980 to 1986) indicates a potential 117 new
'residents per year or 1.9% growth from 1986 thru 1990.
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The consensus of the Planning Commission was in agreement with the
--•Metro Council's population estimate for Lake Elmo.
7. Comprehensive Plan Revisions
A. Appendix A. Population
-1 The draft appendix was last discussed by the Planning Commission on
•November 24, 1986. There were discrepancies in the data in the
ipopulation projections, so the Planning Commission tabled action on
- the draft appendix. City Administrator Overby tried to correct the
data problems in the original draft table. The corrections were
•included in the revised table of Metro Council projections, and the
revised Lake Elmo straight-line numerical increase table that are both
included at the end of the draft appendix.
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Two new population projection tables were included. One assumed a
constant annual percentage increase and constant household size. The
other assumes a constant annual percentage increase and decreasing
household size.
City Administrator Overby suggested choosing either the second or
third tables which use the constant percentage annual rate of
increase. The Planning Commission's choice depended on whether they
thought household size would stay the same in Lake Elmo thru the year
2000, or whether household size will decrease as predicted by the
Metro Council. The actual difference would be more growth in the
number of households if there is a decrease in the persons per
household size.
Commission member Stevens expressed his opinion that the rural
atmosphere of Lake Elmo cannot be maintained if residential building
permits are granted at the rate and lot size of the past year and if
commercial permits are granted in addition. The Planning and Zoning
Commission would prefer to see a slower rate of development in line
with the Metro Council forecast. The Commission recommends that
current land use be maintained, as described in the comprehensive
plan. Only acres of R-1 remain in the City after these are developed,
areas zoned for larger lots are likely to be developed more slowly, so
that after the population growth has finished its present bulge, we
may expect a slower growth and comformance with the Metro Council
plan.
Former Planning Commission member Dan Novak explained what he sees
happening in Lake Elmo is that all of the unplatted R-1, which has
been available for a number of years and apparently the market is now
right, is being platted. At the current rate that it is being
'platted, he would guess within a couple of years the R-1 acreage will
be completely consumed. This will put the City into an interesting
'dilemma because with that depleted there will be a lot of pressure to
'take the RR acreage and upgrade it to R-1 zoning. Since the City has
demonstrated a lack of willingness to downzone to current use, the
only other option the City would have to keep it rural is to settle on
a population forecast.
'Commissionmember Raleigh felt the Commission could adopt Table I which
'provides for a much more limited growth (Metro Council projections)
land much more conservative of the four different estimates. This can
'be done without jepoardizing the acceptance of the appendices by the
'Metro Council because they look upon the 1987 figures as a bulge
'rather than a prediction of the upcoming averages for the next 15
years. The Commission can still present a viable comprehensive plan
with a viable set of appendices and have it approved.
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City Administrator Overby stated that if the Metro Council tells the
City its data is inconsistent they would have to admit this about
their own data.
Charman DeLapp commented while you could create market forces to come
up with any population by the year 2000, the lower the number is the
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M/S/P Simpson/Raleigh - to accept Table I which comes from the
,J Metropolitan Council be put into the Comprehensive Plan without the
local trend data on it. (Motion carried 5-1<Haacke: she likes Table
1 3 which shows 3.0 persons per household with 1.97% growth. By making
this recommendation, in no way does she feel we should go out and
market the City and she feels this table is a good compromise.)
M/S/P Raleigh/Enes - to have the City Staff adjust the appendices and
have the draft ready for the next time they consider the Appendix.
(Motion carried 6-0).
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more the people would come here because they really wanted to live in
Lake Elmo because they went out of their way to live here and wanted
to be good neighbors and respectful for what we have and to conform to
our comprehensive plan. If we start marketing the town, the quality
of life will change.
Haacke is not in favor of any marketing, but we should be realistic
between the most conservative figures and the most liberal figures.
If Section 32 and 33 is brought into this would affect the population
growth. DeLapp did not want to factor in Section 32 and 33 because it
is a totally different ballpark. Raleigh asked if they should make up
two different comprehensive plans to include the portion within the
MUSA line and one for the portion outside of the MUSA Line because (Dar
goals may be different for different parts of the City. Overby
responded that the City does not have a good handle on how many people
will be living in Section 32 and 33 as opposed to working there.
M/S/P Enes/Simpson - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at
10:45 p.m. (Motion carried 6-0).
The Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings
and make recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes
all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may
postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may
for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by
the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on
the application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been
discussed, please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning
Commission" slip; or, if you came late, raise your hand to be
recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
JULY 27, 1987
7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: June 22, 1987
July 13, 1987
3. Upcoming Requests
7:45 p.m. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: Comprehensive Plan Amendment
to Update the Functional Road Classification
5. Metro Council Strategic Planning Process
6. Metro Council Population Estimate for Lake Elmo
7. Comprehensive Plan Revisions
A. Appendix A. Population
8. Other
9. Adjourn