HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-27-88 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City
Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public
hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City
Council makes all final decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission
may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete
and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports
prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and
discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of
information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request
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late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
JUNE 27, 1988
7:30 P.M. Meeting Convenes
1. Agenda
2. Minutes - June 13, 1988 (These minutes will
be deferred until July 11, 1988)
3. Public Hearings
A. Large Lot Subdivision
Applicants: Will C. Turnbladh
Will & Mary Turnbladh
B. Preliminary Plat - Brookfield 3rd Addition
C. Preliminary Plat - F.J. Crombie 2nd Addition
4. Residential Estates
5. Comprehensive Plan
6. Other
7. Adjourn
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JUNE 27, 1988
Chairman DeLapp called the Planning Commisison meeting to order at
7:35 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: DeLapp, Williams,
Bucheck, Hunt, Johnson (Departed 10:50 p.m.), Enes, Stevens (arrived
7:45 p.m.). Absent: Haacke, Kunde, Simpson, Johnston.
1. Agenda
Add: 6A. Results of Muncipal Board Hearing, 6B. Sign Ordinance
M/S/P Hunt/Enes - to approve the June 27, 1988 Planning Commission
agenda as amended. (Motion carried 6-0).
2. Minutes
These minutes were deferred until July 11, 1988.
3. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. Large Lot Subdivision
Applicants: Will C. Turnbladh
Will & Mary Turnbladh
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 7:43 p.m. in the City
Council chambers.
The surrounding property owners were notified. There was no one to
speak for or against the application.
Chairman DeLapp closed the public herring at 7:44 p.m.
At the June 13th meeting, the Commission reviewed this proposed large
lot subdivision in concept. The applicants are requesting a a large
lot subdivision of 11.5 acres at 11890 50th St. N. (SE 1/4 of the SE
1/4 of Section 1. Township 29N, Range 21).
The proposed lot meets all requirements for a lot in the Rural
Residential zoning district. The Commission was glad to see an
application for a 10+ acre parcel.
M/S/P Williams/Hunt - to approve a Large Lot Subdivision of a 11.5
acre parcel for Will Turnbladh and Will and Mary Turnbladh at 11890
50th St. N. (SE 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of Section 1, Township 29, Range
21). (Motion carried 6-0).
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 27, 1988 PAGE 2
B. Preliminary Plat - Brookfield 3rd Addition
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 7:43 p.m. in the City
Council chambers.
All adjoining landowners within 350 feet of the proposed Brookman 3rd
Addition were notified. There was no one to speak for or against the
application.
Chairman DeLapp closed the public hearing at 7:44 p.m.
Mike Lynskey, Managing Partner, on behalf of the Lake Elmo Business
Park Company, submitted a preliminary plat for a 6 lot subdivision to
be known as Brookman 3rd Addition.
All the lot sizes exceed the 1.5 acre minimum requirement. All lot
frontages exceed the minimum frontage requirements of a public street.
The 39th Street right-of-way will be platted continuously between Lake
Elmo Avenue (CSAH 17) and TH 5. The developer has requested that the
City Engineer design the street and drainage improvements for 39th
Street to avoid duplication of effort. Bruce Folz stated that they
have not submitted an application to MnDot for 39th St. and TH5. All
costs will be paid by the Developer on a pass -through basis. The City
Council approved the developer's request on June 7, 1988. The
Planning Commission had a concern with the City Engineer designing and
'observing his own work.
Marge Williams referred to Section 301.070.D.7.C. District Requirement
for General Business dated 11/3/87 and stated that the proposed
drainage is not according to Code. Marge suggested that the City
Engineer be advised of Section 301.070.D.7. in regard to his Item #5
Drainage in his letter to the Commission dated June 24, 1988 and
requested a letter containing his comments. Marge also commented,
according to code, we should receive a list of the owners of the Lake
Elmo Business Park Company.
M/S/P Williams/Bucheck - to continue the drainage discussion on this
item after City Engineer Bohrer reviews the Section of the Code
301.070.D.7 C. District Requirements for General Business. (Motion
carried 7-0).
C. Preliminary Plat - F. J. Crombie 2nd Addition
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 7:48 p.m. in the City
Council chambers.
Veronica M. Crombie and Brian Crombie have requested preliminary plat
approval of F.J. Crombie Estates 2nd Addition which is a 23.9 acre
tract subdivided into an eleven lot subdivision in the R1 zoning
district and 6 outlots for lake access. Also to be considered is a
request for a 30 foot variance to the maximum allowed 800 ft. long
cul-de-sac within this proposed subdivision and a request for a
variance from the 1% ponding rule.
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES DUNE 27, 1988 PAGE 3
The Planning Commission referred to City Engineer Bohrer's review,
6-24-88, verifying conformance of the preliminary plat with Section
401 of the City Code and the City Engineering Standards.
Lance Crombie, 201 W. Burnsville Pky 130G, asked if this plat fit into
the Comprehensive Plan and felt the drainage issue was not adequately
addressed. He questioned the ownership of the property and who would
pay the Real Estate taxes. He asked that this application be tabled
for six weeks based on a intra-family lawsuit pending.
Terry Cartony, 8260 DeMontreville, stated he thought the plat was well
planned with very little impact on the environment and met all the
requirements of the code. He has talked to Veronica and Brian Crombie
in the last 30 days who stated that Veronica sold this property to her
son, Brian. Brian assured him that quality homes would be built.
Bruce Johnson, 5750 Highlands Court N., voiced his concern on the
water and soil erosion and on the visibility of the houses. He felt a
1 1/2 acre lot would not fit int this area and would give it a
"sardine" effect.
Lou Skarda, who will be building this summer in this area, felt this
was a good concept and is in favor of this plat. He has talked to
Brian who assured him of a committment for good quality homes which
would only enhance this area to live in.
Ed Gores, 5737 Highlands Trail Ct. N., voiced his concern on the
problem of erosion and on how this plat would affect the visual
appearance.
Bruce Folz stated that Brian Crombie would build some of the houses.
There would be covenants with architectural requirements set up by an
Architectural Control Committee. The owner of the property would
appoint the Committee. Folz would submit the covenants to the City.
The City Administrator stated that through a Developer's Agreement
restrictive covenants could be included as a condition of the
agreement.
Bruce Folz explained that the variance request to the 1% Rule was
requested because it would only be 1.24 acre feet of additional
runoff. If they would be required to pond, they would end up
destroying the wooded area. Lee Hunt felt there were other ponding
options that could be looked at.
The Commission referred to Molly.Shodeen's letter from the DNR dated
June 23, 1988 in which she stated that the DNR does not feel that the
creation of a bunch of small non -conforming lots meets the intent of
our shoreland ordinance. They recommended that the land area west of
DeMontreville Trail be platted along with the riparian lots or that
the area be platted as one large outlot containing 1 centralized dock
for day use by the residents. The Commission had a problem with the
amount of outlots and the possibility of many docks. Bruce Folz stated
he would withdraw the lakeshore outlots out of the plat.
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 27, 1988 PAGE 4
In regard to the variance to the length of the cul-de-sac, Bruce Folz
asked the Commission to define the rules and he will shorten the
cul-de-sac accordingly.
M/S/P Bucheck/Enes - to continue the public hearing to the Planning
Commission meeting on July 11th in order to receive the comments from
the VBWD and to receive a copy of the proposed protective covenants.
(Motion carried 6-1<Johnson: He saw no value in continuing the public
hearing unless there was some new input from the public›).
D. Rezoning from Rural Residential to Agricultural and
Conditional Use Permit for Greenhouses.
Chairman DeLapp opened up the public hearing at 9:30 p.m. in the City
Council chambers.
Linder's Greenhouse submitted a concept plan to construct greenhouses
on Ag zoned land south of 15th Street at the June 13th Planning
Commission meeting. The Commission asked the applicant to supply
additional information regarding impact from traffic and lighting.
Sue Dunn, 11018 Upper 33rd St., stated she lived by Seiferts Nursery
for many years and she could not have had such good neighbors. Sue
felt a greenhouse was a good use for this land.
:Rose Armstrong, 8291 15th St.N., explained that the City has not
turned down any Ag rezoning request. The City Council had approved
the Residential Estates zoning in theory, but they had a problem of
where it would be going in the City.
Chairman DeLapp closed the public hearing 9:48 p.m.
Rob Linder referred to City Engineer Bohrer's letter dated June 24th,
in which Bohrer stated he would be willing to work with the Linders to
size the outlet and construct the pond. Linder had no problem with
staying within the weight limits when road restrictions are on; they
don't plan on any artificial lighting and if they did, they would
comply with the ordinances. The visibility will be very low and they
would put up a 4'x8' plywood sign. Linder added they are a user of
pesticides, but the Linders have a license to apply them and are only
applied to the top of the product --not to the soil and further that
their usage was less than farmers. They submitted the projected growth
plan at the request of the PZ and this proposal may never be seen in
his lifetime.
Marge Williams felt this would be considered spotzoning since it would
be a high -intense Ag use in a designated RE zoning area. She felt it
was a more intense commercial operation than an Ag Use and the sign
was unnecessary.
Dave Johnson felt it was inconsistent with where the city was heading,
which was to RE zoning in that area. This was not his idea of saving
our "open space" --looking over 585,000 sq.ft. of building.
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 27, 1988 PAGE 5
The City Administrator stated that the Linders submitted their
application based on our present Comprehensive Plan which supports Ag
use and this application is an Ag use. The Commission should look at
this applicant as RR zoning (1 house per 10 acres) versus Ag zoning
with a CUP.
The Commission wanted to discuss further: staged growth, screening,
lighting, ponding and traffic.
M/S/P Williams/Johnson - based on the advice of our City Attorney to
wait two weeks on a rezoning request, a decision will be tabled until
the July llth Planning Commission meeting. (Motion carried 5-2<Enes:
we will not learn anything new by dragging this out, Stevens: this is
an example of why we cannot get onto items we have to do.>).
4. Residential Estates
The City Administrator reported that the City Council would like to:
take out the landscape requirements and see road requirements and
standards remain as they currently exist. Also the question remained
as to where do we really want RE zoning in the city. Some Commission
members felt there was too much area included in the RE Zoning, and
suggested limiting the number of lots in a given year. Other members
felt we had to have some kind of minimal landscaping standards and
suggested setting up a Forestry Committee to enforce the landscape
requirements.
A meeting to discuss RE Zoning will be set for Wednesday, July 6th,
between Commission members Ann Bucheck, Lee Hunt and Council Members
Chuck Graves, Rose Armstrong, and City Administrator Morrison.
5. Sign Ordinance
City Administrator Morrison reported that a small committee composed
of business people and commission members discussed the sign ordinance
and felt arhitectural standards would be appropriate and discussed
sign quality versus size. Further consideration will be given to this
Ordinance by the Commission.
6. Comprehensive Plan
M/S/P Hunt/Enes - to discuss the Comprehensive Plan on July llth and
before every Planning Commission meeting from 6:30-7:30 and continue
this until the Comp Plan is finished. (Motion carried 6-0).
M/S/P Bucheck/Enes - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at
11:35 p.m. (Motion carried 6-0).