HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-8-88 PZMThe Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council.
One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make
recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final
decisions on these matters.
Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and
information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may
postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for
other reasons postpone final action on an application.
For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by
the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the
application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed,
please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip;
or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are
pertinent are appreciated.
AGENDA
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION
AUGUST 8, 1988
6:30-7:30 p.m. Review/Discussion: Comprehensive Plan--------
7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES
1. Agenda
2. Minutes: July 11, 1988
July 25, 1988
3. Final Plat: Brookman 3rd Addition
4. Discussion: Preliminary Plan Concept (T. Maistrovich)
(Off Lake Jane Rd.; So. of Springborn 2nd Addition;
R-1 Zone)
5. Discussion/Recommendation: General Business Zone;
Density Standards
6. Update: 1.) Proposed Ordinances:
a) Residential Estates
b) Signage Standards
2.) Accessory Structures (RR Zoning Dist.)
7. Adjourn
LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
AUGUST 8, 1988
Chairman DeLapp called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in the City
Council chambers. Present: DeLapp, Kunde, Stevens, Hunt, Enes,
Johnson, Haacke, Bucheck (arrived 7:35). Absent: Williams, Johnston
1. Agenda
M/S/P Stevens/Kunde - to approve the August 8, 1988 Planning
Commission agenda as amended (Reverse the order of Item 5. and Item
3.). (Motion carried 7-0).
2. Minutes: July 11, 1988
M/S/P Hunt/Stevens - to approve the July 11, 1988 Planning Commission
minutes as amended. (Motion carried 7-0-1<Abstain: Haacke›).
Minutes: July 25, 1988
The consensus of the Commission was to approve the July 25, 1988
Planning Commission worksession as amended.
3. Discussion/Recommendation: General Business Zone; Density
Standards
The City Council, at their meeting of July 19th, after discussion of
the Preliminary Plat for Brookman Addition, determined it was
necessary to review the reasonableness and practicality of the density
provisions required in the General Business Zoning District, as
adopted by the Council, upon Planning Commission recommendation, in
November of 1987. As noted in the Council's motion, they-weuld-like suggest
the commission ta- eoBialirert aR impervious surface factor for General
Business between 35% and 50%.
Bruce Folz advised the Commission that in the Brookman 3rd Addition
Final Plat, Brookman felt that 20% coverage of impervious surface was
not acceptable. Ten years ago they brought in this plan, in good
faith; and a 67% coverage of impervious surface was determined
suitable in the Brookman 1st and 2nd Additions, and, consequently,
drainage provision was computed on this basis.
City Administrator Morrison provided a survey summary of the zoning
ordinance requirements of the surrounding communities.
The Commission opinions varied, anywhere from 20% to 50% coverage.
The following motion was made in order to cut discussion.
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M/S/F Stevens/Bucheck - to recommend the maximum density allowed for a
commercial development as follows:
35% coverage up to 1.5 acres
25% coverage 1.5 - 5 acres
20% coverage 5 - 10 acres
15% coverage 10 - 20 acres
10% coverage Over 20 acres
(Motion failed 2-6<Bucheck, Johnson, Stevens, Kunde, Enes, Haacke>).
Barb Haacke stated she would like 35% coverage, no sliding scale, and
see adoption of more stringent landscape requirements and
architectural design. Rob Enes suggested 45-50% and make parking
requirements more negotiable. Dave Johnson suggested 50% with with a
stop on maximum building size. He did not like the sliding scale.
As a compromise, the Commission made the following motion based on
reasons that they considered 35% coverage consistent with the rural
character of Lake Elmo. They considered the density requirements of
the surrounding neighbors; such as Mahtomedi which they felt was
similar to Lake Elmo and required 30% maximum lot coverage. *
M/S/P Hunt/Stevens - to recommend to the City Council the maximum
density allowed for a commercial development is as follows:
35% coverage for 1.5 acre lot
25% coverage for 1.51 - 5 acres
20% coverage for 5.1 acres and over
and to adopt more stringent landscape and architectural design
requirements and recommend the Planning Commission review these
requirements. (Motion carried 5-3<Johnson, Haacke, Enes: for reasons
stated above›).
4. Final Plat: Brookman 3rd Addition
The Commission considered allowance of impervious surface coverage
with this plat in the above discussion.
City Engineer Bohrer made a comment, in reference to the letter from
Washington County dated July 21, 1988, in which it was stated that 60
feet of right-of-way be dedicated along CSAH 17 measured from center
line rather than 50 feet shown on the plat).
Bruce Folz advised that a permanent easement from the Lake Elmo
Business Park Company has been requested from Washington County for
highway purposes over the West 10 feet of Lot 1, Block 1, and Lot 1,
Block 2 of Brookman 3rd Addition.
The Planning Commission suggested the City find out why they want this
right-of-way. If they cannnot prove the need for a r-o-w of 10
additional feet, the City should not approve it.
M/S/P Hunt/Haacke - to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Final Plat for Brookman 3rd Addition and to include the PZ
recommendation that the developer not dedicate the additional 10 feet
on Hwy 17 to the County. (Motion carried 8-0).
CORRECTION: Mahtomedi: 30% is building only; code does not address
overall impervious surface density.
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5. Discussion: Preliminary Plan Concept (T. Maistrovich)
(Off Lake Jane Rd.; So.of Springborn 2nd Addition; R-1 Zone).
Bruce Folz presented a sketch plan of a preliminary plat application
from Tony and Alice Maistrovich. (The code requires that the applicant
provide a concept for the remainder of the contiguous property.) The
property is zoned R1 and the applicant wishes to proceed with a one
lot plat. This plan meets all the code requirements for 1 1/2 acre
lots. The applicant will not proceed with more than one lot at this
time. The Commission had no problem with the concept. A public
hearing has been set for August 22, 1988.
6. A. Lee Hunt and Ann Bucheck, as Planning Commission members on the
Committee reviewing the Residential. Estates Ordinance, provided the
Commission with an update on the current status of the Residential
Estate Zoning.
Dave Johnson suggested that RE zoning should be allowed along R1
zoning, not floating here and there in the City. Other members did not
want to see it for the northeast quadrant and would like to keep the
10 acre zoning. There was discussion on what the impact would be on
services with opening RE throughout the City.
The Commission liked the idea of a test market of an RE development in
the City and discussed allowing a cut off, such as 3 developments a
year or by the number of building permits. They were in favor of
requesting erosion control and grading plans, 24' (or less) road
width, and a minimal set of landscape guidelines checked by the City
Forester.
The Commission is to call Ann or Lee with their comments. The
Committee will meet in September.
B. Chairman DeLapp reported there was no update on the sign
ordinance due to the full PZ agendas.
7. Other
At the July 11th Planning Commission meeting, Ann Bucheck asked the
Commission to recommend to the City Council that the City Engineer not
be the designer for any project in the City because the City needs a
person to be able to check and review another engineer's plan.
M/S/P Bucheck/Enes - to recommend to the City Council that the City
Engineer not provide the design for any project submitted by a private
developer because the City loses the benefit of review by another
engineer. (Motion carried 8-0).
M/S/P Enes/Johnson - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at
10:10 p.m. (Motion carried 8-0).