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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-12-89 PZMRAUENHORST CARLSON & KNAAK ATTORNEYS AT LAW ROSEDALE CORPORATE PLAZA 2665 LONG LAKE ROAD ROSEVILLE, MINNESOTA 551 1 3 SARAH E ARENDT TELEPHONE: KATHLEEN K. RAUENHORST (612) 631-1080 FREDERIC W. KNAAK FAX: MEUSSA A. MILLER (612) 631.1531 STEVEN P. CARLSON June 13, 1989 Pat Morrison City Administrator 3800 Laverne Avenue Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042 Re: City Council Minutes adoption procedures Dear Pat: Recently you contacted our office and indicated some concerns were being raised about the method used to amend minutes of the City Council meetings in Lake Elmo. In particular, you have asked whether or not the procedure by which the clerk inserts either deletions or inclusions plainly in the record next to the pre- viously drafted language is appropriate. We have reviewed the authority which exists in Minnesota on the matter and conclude that the current method is an appropriate one under the provisions of Minnesota law. We note that the requirements of Minnesota Statutes §412.151 outline the necessity for taking accurate minutes by the clerk, but that particular provi- sion does not provide for any details as to the nature of the minutes taken. The obligation to take accurate minutes however, has been reflected in addi- tional authority. The Minnesota Attorney General, in a written opinion, A.G. 0p. 470-c, June 18, 1959, opined that if a city council found a mistake in the unapproved minutes of a previous meeting, the clerk should change the minutes to reflect what actually occurred at the direction of the city council. If the clerk declines to make such a change, the council can order the change by motion and a vote. The clerk must then make the change and show in the minutes that the change was made by order of the council. The opinion of the Attorney General deals specifically with the situation where there is a difference of opinion between the clerk and the city council as to what actually occurred at the meeting. In such an instance, the opinion does indicate that the majority of the council is to prevail, but the clerk has the right to note that vote and the materials in dispute as a part of the subsequent council minutes in record. Pat Morrison June 13, 1989 Page Two More commonly, where a mistake or inadvertance are found, the clerk may amend the minutes at her own initiative prior to there adoption by the city council or upon suggestion by the city council of such an adoption. This Attorney General opinion corresponds well with the provisions of Roberts Rules of Order, adopted as the rules of procedure of the City Council in matters not expressly covered by the ordinances. Those rules, impertinent part, provide as follows: Minutes are usually amended (corrected) informally, the chair directing the correction to be made when suggested. But if objec— tion is made, a formal vote is necessary for the amendment. The minutes may be corrected whenever the error is noticed regardless of the time which has elapsed; but after their adoption, when too late to reconsider the vote, they require a 2/3 vote for their amendment, unless previous notice of the proposed amendment has been given, when only a majority vote is required for its adoption, the same as with the motion to recind. This is necessary for the protection of records, which otherwise would be subject to the risk of being tam— pered with by temporary majorities. The numbers prefixed to paragraphs, articles, etc., are only marginal indications that should be corrected by the secretary, if necessary, without any motion to amend. Roberts Rules of Order, Revised 1915 Edition, at page 147 et seq. (Morrow Quill, 1979) As this authority indicates, when there is any dispute as to the contents of the minutes, a motion is required. We would recommend, based on the authority, that when there is a dispute as to contents of the minutes, the motion correcting the minutes be entered into the subsequent record or minu— tes. The City would then have the choice of either correcting the final approved version, as is currently the case, or reflecting those corrections in subsequent minutes. 'In case where there is not dispute and the matters are involving error and technical corrections, it is our assessment that it is unnecessary and poten— tially confusing and cumbersome to include those insertions and deletions in any subsequent record or final record of the minutes as recorded in the minu— tes book. Pat 'Morrison June 13, 1989 Page Three Please advise us if you have any further questions concerning this matter and if we can be of further assistance to you. Very truly yours, RAUENHORST CARLSON & KNAAK 6441/ 4t- Frede*t(W. Knaak Lake Elmo City Attorney FWK:jlm LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MAY 8, 1989 PAGE 4 Administrator Morrison presented and explained the Future Land Use Map that the City Council agreed upon at their worksession of May 4, 1989. Morrison suggessted the PZ consider Four Business Districts: Urban Business in Section 32 and part of 33; Brookman General Business; Old Village Historic Area and the Highway Business along I-94. Steve DeLapp explained the text of the Comp Plan had to corrrespond with the Future Land Use Map that was approved. The Comp Plan Sub -Committee will revise the text and bring the plan back to the Planning Commission. M/S/P Stevens/Haacke - to support the general concept of the Future Land Use Map that was approved by the City Council. (Motion carried 7-1: DeLapp: He supported the Map subject to the PZ developing Highway Business standards as low impact.) 7. Procedure for Approved Minutes Steve DeLapp recommended that we not distribute markups of our "Draft" minutes as our "Approved" minutes. Some of the Commission members supported what the City Attorney advsied; they cannot erase what has been said at the meetings. M/S/P Johnson/Haacke - to support the existing process of distributing the Approved Planning Commission Minutes. (Motion carried 6-2: DeLapp,.Bucheck). M/S/P John/Conlin - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at 10:15 p.m. (Motin carried 8-0). LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 12, 1989 Chairman Enes called the Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. Present: Enes, DeLapp, Conlin, Dick Johnson, John, Stevens (arr::8:40)and City Administrator Morrison. Absent: Haacke, Bucheck, Johnston, Dave Johnson, Kunde. 1. Agenda M/S/P Dick Johnson/Conlin - to approve the June 12, 1989.Planning Commission agenda as presented. (Motion carried 5-0). 2. Minutes: M/S/P Dick Johnson/DeLapp - to approve the May 22, 1989 Planning Commission minutes as amended. (Motion carried 4-0-1 Abstain: John) 3. PUBLIC HEARING: Linder Greenhouse, Inc. Amendment to Conditional Use Permit to Allow Completion of Stage 1 of the Greenhouse Construction Chairman Rob Enes opened up the public hearing at 7:45 p.m.in. the City Council chambers. Public notice was duly published and sent. Linder Greenhouse, Inc. has made application for an amendment to their Conditional Use Permit to allow for completion of Stage I of their greenhouse construction. Basically, all of the requirements of their CUP have been completed, Rob Linder stated, the triple treeline and the ponding area is 75 percent completed for their 20 year proposal. Linder stated they have put in more ponding area than is required of them for now, simply because it is easier for them to contract it out only one time. Dick Cormier, 8742 15th St. N., stated he has lived there 35 years and everything the Linders have said they would do --they have done. Their greenhouse business is good for the neighborhood. In five years it will be hidden by the trees so it will not even be seen. In his estimation, the Linders are doing farming, but only in pots. Besides that, they have straightened out a mess on 15th Street. Kirby Sampson, neighbor living on 15th St., stated his well, which was in the acquifer above where the Greenhouse is in, has gone dry, and he is in the process of drilling a new well. He didn't object to the Linder operation, but has a concern on their water useage. Rob Linder responded that their water is regulated by state rules. They use most of their water during their growing season, the months of February thru May, where residents use water all year around. They do not use 10,000 gallons of water a day, which Linder stated is the limit above which the user must receive a State permit. (Amended 6-26-89) LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 12, 1989 PAGE 2 Chairman Enes closed the public hearing at 7:50 p.m. (Amended 6-26-89) appears to be no can teve DeLapp: Air/e/ Thereetia y/ standards upon which we /Ob/U/1,d/ base our evaluation,64 because the code has no limitations; as to number, sizelof buildings or how they should be designed. Legally, a CUPAhh.ouId be' granted automatically unless there a e sandards listed in the Code that prohibit it. Steve suggested that^paeemise ' its vote on "there is no basis shown to deny.this amendment". (*or requested change in the previously granted CUP,) Dick Johnson: He felt Steve brought up a good point, impervious coverage is not addressed in the Ag Zone. M/S/P DeLapp/Dick Johnson - Upon the basis that the applicant has fulfilled the intent and conditions of the original CUP and has applied for an expansion that is not prohibited by our ordinances, the PZ recommends approval by the City Council of the amended CUP to Linder Greenhouse to allow for construction of a 30,000 sq.ft. greenhouse; including the condition the City Engineer be required to check fulfillment of the ponding requirement. (Motion carried 5-0). 4. PUBLIC HEARING: Rezoning from Ag to R1-and Approval of Development Plan for "The Forest" Rob Enes opened up the public hearing at 8:15 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Public Hearing notice was duly published and sent. The City Council has approved, by resolution, the General Concept Plan for "The Forest". The public hearing for the rezoning required from Ag to R.1 and approval of the Development Plan is the next stage of the PUD. Bob Engstrom advised the Commission "The Forest" is a plan for 18 single family detached homesites, in the $200,000-$350.,000_price range, on a 50 acre site located on County Road 17. Engstrom stated it is their intent, once the approval is made, they would apply for a permit that would allow a wildlife enhancement area with a walking trail. Larry Bohrer's review of "The Forest" was submitted at the meeting to the Planning Commission members. Gene Peltier, 10376 Hudson Blvd., owns property on three sides of the proposed development. Gene stated he was opposed to the destruction of one of the few wildlife refuge in the County, particularly of that density. He added, the City does not have a shortage of building sites and doesn't think we should destroy the home of wildlife for the sake of a few enjoyments. He recommends the City, County or State get together through an agreement to buy this property to preserve it for wildlife because there is an immense amount of wildlife onthis piece of property. Sandy Bradley, 520 Lake Elmo Avenue N., asked if an environmental impact study had been done because she was certain that the pond and woods area is protected by the DNR. She noted the topography of the wooded land is higher than the wetland area and they are proposing 18 septic systems that are actually going to drain into that wetland area because of installing them on a higher level. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 12, 1989 PAGE 3 Administrator Morrison will check with the DNR to see if there is any protected wetlands. Engstrom responded their proposal is not to touch the ponding area. Based on the visual inspection of the property, believes with a certain amount of excavation/creation he can create and enhance the wildlife potential. Ray Salus, 404 Lake Elmo Avenue N., lives directly to the east of this property, asked what impact 18 homes will be on his Ag operation as he farms and raises animals --Will you shut me down? He believes Lake Elmo should start thinking about the future and get going on it. He feels this property in his area is commercial property; it has Trans City Investments located near it. "This is prime commercial poperty down there", Salus stated, "and the City should give alot of consideration on permitting this I to gio thru and putting homes in this area. proposa Chairman Enes closed the public hearing at 8:30 p.m. Steve DeLapp felt it was totally unfair to the applicant and the PZ members by receiving the City Engineer's report last minute. Engstrom stated the engineer's report caught him off guard and wasn't prepared to answer the engineer's comments. Engstrom explained they would soil test each lot to make sure they have adequate perculation for each lot prior to submitting the final plat and knew the burden was on them to come up with perkable soils. Dick Johnson voiced his concern on possible restrictions because of the soil conditions and the overall affect of not being able to build on some lots. Referring to a previous proposed development, Steve DeLapp stated, even though the soils were bad, as long as the platting meets the physical requirements in terms of setbacks, road widths, etc., whether the soils perk or not would be contingent on whether a house could be built on it. The actual platting of the lots was independent of this, and the PZ could not find any evidence that would indicate contrary to that. Wyn John voiced his concern with the overall concept changing if you find the lots are unbuildable because they cannot pass a perk test and felt this aspect should be addressed at this state. Wyn was reluctant in granting approval on the assumption that corrections can be found for a mound system to provide a drainfield because you cannot get a system on the normal topography that is existing. M/S/P Dick Johnson/John - to postpone action in order to review the City Engineer's memo and request the City Council approve the attendance of the City Engineer at the June 26th PZ meeting to address his concerns stated in his review. (Motion carried 6-0). 5. ROAD WIDTHS Each PZ member was asked to submit their written comments on road widths. Steve DeLapp presented his proposed road widths, which were recommended by LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JUNE 12, 1989.PAGE 4 Bob Owens, 3M Corp, Traffic Engineer and according to the National Traffic Engineering standards. Steve questioned, "on what basis did the City Engineer and Public Works Supervisor recommend 32 foot wide roads". Wyn John responded he respected Bob Owens' judgement, but didn't see Mr. Owens dealing with cul-de-sacs with 10 or 20 homes on it, and felt his (Wyn's) proposal presented adequate road width. The Commission reviewed the road width recommendations and agreed to the following guidelines for road widths within the City of Lake Elmo. (See Appendix A). M/S/P Dick Johnson/DeLapp - to recommend City Council approval of these proposed guidelines for road widths within the City of Lake Elmo. (Motion carried 5-0-1 Abstain: Conlin: she would support these guidelines, but felt this was not answering the Council's request of the PZ.). Wyn John reported that the Parks Commission was considering a potential park siting for the northeast section of Lake Elmo and in the area (along loth Street) where the Heritage Development has been proposed. The Commission favored dedicating 10% of their land, which the City could decide what to do with it later, and submitting a park dedication fee. Consideration will be given to changing our park ordinance as part of the RE ordinance. M/S/P Stevens/John - to encourage the City Council to consider bike paths within the City, wherever possible separate bike paths, and request the Parks Commission come up with an overall plan for the City. (Motion carried 6-0). 6. OTHER The Council had directed the PZ to consider the RE Zoning and I-94 Freeway Development Zoning ordinances as top priority. The Commission set up sub -committees and selected Steve DeLapp as Convenyor Chair for the RE Sub -committee and Rita Conlin as Convenyor Chair for the Interstate Freeway Development Zoning Sub -Committee. Rob Enes reported he would be attending a meeting by the Washington County Plannng Dept. to address development standards along the 1-94 corridor. M/S/P Dick Johnson/DeLapp - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at 10:35 p.m. (Motion carried 6-0). APPENDIX A June 12, 1989 LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROAD WIDTH PROPOSALS I PROPOSE THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES FOR ROAD WIDTHS WITHIN THE CITY OF LAKE ELMO: 1. AS A GENERAL PREMISE, ALL RIGHTS OF WAY SHOULD BE BASED ON A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 48', EXCEPT WHERE TOPOGRAPHY RESTRICTIONS ( STEEP SLOPES, LAKE SHORES ETC.) WOULD IMPOSE AN UNACCEPTABLE CONSTRUCTION COST IN CREATING SUCH A RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH. 2. WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY CREATED, THE WIDTH OF THE TRAVELLED WAY MAY VARY ACCORDING TO NEEDS AS FOLLOWS: CUE, DE .SACS SERVING LESS THAN TEN HOMES TOTAL - 20-FT` MINIMUM WITH NO PARKING PERMITTED ON THE ROADWAY. CONSTRUCTION TO BE BITUMINOUS CURBED OR BERMED AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE. 22;, CUL DE SACS SERVING MORE THAN TEN HOMES - ,.$ FT MINIMUM, AGAIN WITH NO PARKING PERMITTED ON THE ROADWAY. WHERE CUL DE SACS ARE DESIGNED SUCH THAT THERE IS NO FEASIBLE WAY WHEREBY THEY COULD BECOME A THROUGH ROAD, THE WIDTH OF THE ASSOCIATED RIGHT OF WAY MAY BE REDUCED TO A MINIMUM OF 16 FT WIDER THAN THE TRAVELLED WAY. with natural landscape center is an s TURNAROUNDSAAT THE END OF THEPCUL DE SALE TO BE ADEQUATE FOR THE MINIMUM TURNING CIRCLE OF STANDARD EMERGENCY VEHICLES. GENERAL ROADWAYS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, NOT DEFINED AS "THROUGH ROADS" - 28 FT MINIMUM, PARKING PERMITTED ON ONE SIDE ONLY. "THROUGH ROADS" OR ROADS ANTICIPATED TO BECOME MSA ROADS - 32 FT WIDE AS DEFINED BY CITY OF LAKE ELMO URBAN STREET TEMPORARY SECTION, DRAWING NO 2 FOR R-1 THRU R-4 ZONES. -1U 16 Ft. /d'/ RESIDENTIAL ONE WAY ROADS - lot FT ROADWAY WITHIN A 14iF.RIGHT OF WAY. SEPARATED ONE WAY ROADS FORMING A FEATURE OF A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE CENTERLINES AT LEAST 26 FEET APART. GENERAL CONSIDERATIONS: I HAVE DESCRIBED BITUMINOUS CURBS ABOVE. IN MY EXPERIENCE, THESE CURBS DO NOT SURVIVE SNOW PLOW DAMAGE. ANOTHER TYPE OF CURB - SAY OF CONCRETE, WHICH CAN BE EASILY REPLACED IN POSITION AT THE END OF WINTER AFTER BEING DISPLACED BY SNOW PLOWS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE RURAL LIFE STYLE OF LAKE ELMO, IS THE USE OF ROADWAYS FOR PHYSICAL FITNESS - RUNNING JOGGING OR WALKING. IT IS A CONCERN THAT THE ROAD DESIGN SHOULD TAKE ACCOUNT OF THE GROWING SAFETY NEEDS OF PEDESTRIAN USERS, BY ADDING PAVED PATHWAYS ON ROAD SHOULDERS, AND REFUGE RECESSES WHERE THE TOPOGRAPHY INCREASES THE INHERENT DANGER FROM TRAFFIC. M/S/P Dick Johnson/DeLapp - to recommend City Council approval of these--p=rpp.aa# guide1ines for Road widths within the City of Lake Elmo. (Motion carried 5-0-1 Abstain: Conlin: she would support these guidelines, but felt this was not answering the Council's request of the PZ) . M/S/P Stevens/John - to encourage the City Council to consider bike paths within the City and wherever possible separate bike paths, and request the Parks Commission come up with an overall plan for the City. (Motion carried 6-0). The Planning Commission is an advisory body to the City Council. One of the Commission's functions is to hold public hearings and make recommendations to the City Council. The City Council makes all final decisions on these matters. Lake Elmo Ordinances require that certain documents and information be included in applications. The Planning Commission may postpone consideration of an application that is incomplete and may for other reasons postpone final action on an application. For each item, the Commission will receive reports prepared by the City Staff, open the hearing to the public, and discuss and act on the application. If you are aware of information that hasn't been discussed, please fill out a "Request to Appear Before the Planning Commission" slip; or, if you came late, raise your hand to be recognized. Comments that are pertinent are appreciated. AGENDA LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION JUNE 12, 1989 7:30 p.m. MEETING CONVENES 1. AGENDA 2. MINUTES: May 22, 1989 7:45 p.m. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: Linder Greenhouse, Inc. Amendment to Conditional. Use Permit to Allow Completion of Stage 1 of the Greenhouse Construction. 8:15 p.m. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: Rezoning from AG to Ri and approval of Development Plan for The Forest. 5. ROAD WIDTHS 6. OTHER 7. ADJOURN LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MAY 22, 1989 PAGE 2 Dick Johnson: He saw this as a very similar operation as to Bergmann's ( Sun Country,and he is not unhappy with what they are doing. (Peat moss, pottery, etc. are broungt in from elsewhere to be sold.) Items needed to be addressed is traffic, affect on adjacent landowners, and developing a plan so not to lower safety traffic standards on this intersection, and he would like to receive input from the adjacent homeowners. Rita Conlin: This would be a nice Ag use, but 20+ acres is too small of acreage and would like it to be closer to 40 acres required in Ag Zoning. She could understand why he would like to place it there on Highway 36, close to Bergmann's Sun Country and the Apple Orchard. Rob Enes: He was in favor of this type of business, but he was uneasy with them not having the required 40 acres. Barb Haacke: It's true this doesn't fit into our FLUMap, but it is also true that we encourage alternate agricultural uses if they preserve 38.5 acres out of 40 acres. The winery is a unique business, but she was concerned there was not 40 acres, and if there is more land available, he could purchase this land. She also had a concern on the traffic because DeMontreville is a terrible intersection. However, there might be less traffic with a winery than if we put houses out there. Steve DeLapp responded to Barb's comment with "what would his hardship be for not being able to have 40 acres of farmland in Lake Elmo when we have approx. 8,000 acres available and at the right price to be purchased." Steve considered this a self-created hardship. The City Administrator will write a letter to Mr. Knox, listing the Planning Commission's concerns on the winery. 4. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN - WORK PLAN (Richard Johnson) Dick Johnson, Chair. of the Comp Plan Sub -Committee, explained the Plan of Action for the completion of the Comp Plan text in conformance with the Land use Map. Ann Bucheck asked how can we best help the process to speed up so we can get the Comp Plan done? Ann had spoken to the County and was told Lake Elmo was the last community they will do maps for. Steve DeLapp made the following motion, but added "we are not looking for unchartered ground in this Comp Plan that might be a cause for it not passing, but are looking for additional facts that we already agreed on but may have been overlooked". M/S/P DeLapp/Haacke - to adopt the Plan of Action, as presented, for completion of the Comp Plan Text in conformance with the Land Use Map. (Motion carried 8-0). CStt bPPCNOt.X PO, A. Future Land Use Map Amendments Administrator Morrison pointed out the amendments the Council agreed upon to the Future Land Use Map at their May 16th Council meeting. It was noted that the major reason for holding these two areas, in the Downs Lake LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUT MAY 22, 1989 Chairman Enes called the Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. in the City Council chambers. Present: Enes, Bucheck, DeLapp, Haacke, Dick Johnson, Stevens, Conlin, Dave Johnson (arrived 7:55 p.m.), and Administrator Morrison. Absent: John, Johnston, Kunde. 1. AGENDA M/S/P Haacke/DeLapp - to approve the May 22, 1989 Planning Commission agenda as presented. (Motion carried 7-0). 2. MINUTES: May 8, 1989 M/S/P Dick Johnson/Haacke - to approve the May 8, 1989 Planning Commission minutes as amended. (Motion carried 7-0). 3. CONCEPT PLAN: Minnesota Winegrowers Co-op Mr. Charles Knox, President of the Minnesota Winegrowers Cooperative, had submitted information (site map and building plans) on a winery (store with retail sales) and planting a small vineyard on property (zoned rural residential) located at the southeast corner of DeMontreville Trail and Highway 36. Rob Enes stated he had suggested to Mr. Knox that the Commission discuss the feasibility of this project before he comes before the PZ with a site plan. Ed Stevens: Does he expect to bring in grapes or wine produced elsewhere and sell it? How much does he have to sell to make a viable operation? How much wine can be raised from a 10 acre parcel? We have a business district on I-94 and not on Highway 36. Steve DeLapp: He is trying to do farming with sales on 20+ acres --Does this coincide with the City Ordinances and the Comp Plan. In order to help answer this question, Steve passed out three questions that needed to be addressed. We had decided that commercial businesses should be located in the Old Village or along I-94, not in the northern part of our City. Ann Bucheck: She considered a winery'Ag in nature, but he did not own 40 acres needed for Ag Zoning and encouraged him to look for other Ag land for sale. Mr. Knox should be told that this does not go along with our FLUMap and our Comp Plan. Dave Johnson: He was in favor of the use and could not see this as a large retail business. If he had enough land to be zoned Ag, he could see a CUP for this retail business. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MAY 22, 1969 PAGE 3 Sub -watershed District, as RR is the lack of a City Surface Water Management Plan for that area. The Council wanted to Keep it low density until a plan is in place that will avoid any future water problems in the Downs Lake Watershed District. Ann Bucheck advised the Commission of the addendum to the Downs Lake Study by Karen Chandler of Barr Eng. Based on this study, and in order to avoid any future water problems, she requested that the entire Downs Lake Subwatershed District be included in this Post Surface Water Management Plan on the FLUMap. M/S/P Bucheck/DeLapp - to recommend to the City Council to not rezone to any higher density than it is now (RR or AG) all of the land in the Downs Lake Sub -watershed District be included in the land that is now Post Surface Water Management Plan on the Future Land Use Map. (Motion carried 6-2: Enes: He needs numbers as to the percentage of land that is in the Downs Lake Sub -watershed and tends to trust what the City Council has come up with; Haacke: She agrees with Rob, but still stands by the Future Land Use Map that the PZ approved 3 or 4 weeks ago instead of making changes). PZ Member, Ed Stevens presented the statement signed by PZ members designating their understanding of a business district along I-94 when they voted for accepting the new Lake Elmo Zoning Map which includes 2.5 and 5 acre lots and a business district along I-94. M/S/P Dick Johnson/Conlin - the PZ supports the general concept of the Future Land Use Map, as amended by the City Council on May 16th, with the understanding the PZ will work on redrafting the highway ordinance for the area along I-94 to fit within our rural atmosphere. (See Ed Steven's submittal statement). (Motion carried 5-3: Dave Johnson: He didn't think the vote was necessary. He supported the FLUMap, but didn't support additional statements to that map; Bucheck: She felt the Downs Lake Sub -watershed District should be included in the FLUMap before it was voted upon; Haacke: She voted against the motion because she didn't think the vote was necessary). 5. Road Widths - PZ Members' Recommendations Each Planning Commission member was asked to submit their respective recommendation for road widths. City Engineer Bohrer provided a map indicating various types of streets, a list of the local roads having MSA designation, and his report on road standards. Ed Stevens stated reasons why the City would like to see narrower roads: Local roads should be narrower than the State Aid road for RE and RR. The lower cost of narrower roads make it possible for a developer to buy land which a landowner wants to sell. Roads should be curved wherever possible, when land contours (slope). Curved roads improve the appearance and tend to reduce speed. Ann Bucheck submitted her recommendation, which Ed Stevens agreed vikhb :on road standards for residential developments. Steve DeLapp submitted his recommendation for road design standards for MSA roads, Commercial district, Ag zoned land and new residential areas. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MAX 22, 1989 PAGE 4 Rita Conlin didn't feel the PZ was addressing the Council's request. She felt the Council did not ask the PZ to come up with new standards, but asked when, or under what conditions, should they vary. Rita asked the Commission to be cautious when they go against the suggestions of the City Engineer and Fire Dept. M/S/P Bucheck/Haacke - to request the PZ members, if they cannot mail their comments on road widths, submit their written comments into the City by Wednesday before the next meeting in order to include them in the packet and any comments from the Road Sub -Committee be submitted in writingdand come prepared to discuss Road Widths at the meeting. (Motion carried 7-0-1 Abstain: Dick Johnson had stepped out of the meeting when this vote was taken.) 6. Appointment of Representative to Parks Committee The City Council requested that the Parks Commission review in the context of the Future Land Use map areas within the City which they deem to be appropriate for open space and/or park land. Nancy Hansen, Chair. of the Parks Commission, requested that the PZ appoint a representative (in an advisory capacity only) to work with the Parks Committee on this project. Rob Enes advised the Commission that Wynn John expressed interest in being this representative, but Rob has been unable to confirm this appointment with Wyn. M/S/P Bucheck/Dick Johnson - as the Representative to the only) that he be appointed. the PZ recommends Ed Stevens 7-1: Dave Johnson: He would their representative). If Wyn John is willing to accept the position Parks Commission, in an advisory capacity If he is not able to accept this appointment, receive this appointment. (Motion carried like to see a voting member be designated as 7. Committee Assignments A. Residential Estates Ordinance This Sub -Committee consists of: Ann Bucheck, Dave Johnson, Steve DeLapp. B. Freeway Business Ordinance This Sub -Committee consists of: Dave Johnson, Steve DeLapp, Rita Conlin C. Village Historical District This Sub -Committee consists of Barb Haacke, Steve DeLapp, Marge Williams with an invitation extended to Jim Hagstrom who stated. an interest in serving on this committee. A suggestion was made for this committee to contact the Wash. County Historical Society. Chairmen of each of these Sub -Committees will inform the staff as to when they will meet. These meeting notices will be posted on the bulletin board in City Hall. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MAY 22, 1989 PAGE 5 9. Adjourn M/S/P Dave Johnson/DeLapp - to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting at 10:05 p.m. (Motion carried 8-0). APPEND:EX A DATED: May 18, 1989 PLAN OF ACTION: COMPLETION OF COMP PLAN TEXT IN CONFORMANCE ( WITH LAND USE MAP I. Mary, Dick & Pat: Revise text in format of 1979 Plan and in conformance with Future Land Use Map and 1986 Comp Plan II. Final Plan submitted to Planning Commission Sub -committee for Review. III. Joint Meeting of Planning Commission/Council Review Final Plan, with Sub -committee formal recommendations,, IV. Planner Review for Format & Content V. Council submit to Planning Commission for Review, Action and Public Hearing. VI. Final Plan to Council for formal adoption. VII. Comp Plan sent to surrounding communities for review. VIII. Comp Plan to Met Council. �pz t Ann Bucheck does not believe any land outside of Section 32 and that land within the PIUSA line in Section 33 should be rezoned to R-1 at this time. The reasons behind this decision include the following: 1) The voters at the last election stated by their votes they want to have Lake Elmo remain a rural residential city. 2) The 1979 and the 1986 comprehensive plan both state our city wishes to maintain a rural atmosphere. 3) The Tietropoli.tian Council has asked the Lake Elmo maintain a rati❑ of 1 house per 10 acres. In order to keep the ratio low and stay within the projected population forecast I feel we could downzone RR from 1 house per 10 acres to 1 house per 2 1/2 to 5 acres. If we allow further downzoning we will not be true to our projected population and housing ratios. 4) The land which is presently zoned RR does allow people to build homes and therefore we are not taking away the right of the landowner to good use of his land. The City Council requested that the Parks Commission review the Future Land Use Map for designated park areas. LAKE ELMO PLANNING COMMISSION May 22, 1989 M/S/P Bucheck/Dick Johnson - to appoint Wyn John, if he is willing, as representative to the Parks Commission. If he cannot make this appointment, Ed Stevens will fill this appointment. (Motion carried 7-1: Dave Johnson: He would like to see a voting member of the PZ be selected as the representative).