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AELMO
City of Lake Elmo
777-5510
3800 Laverne Avenue North / Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042
MEETING NOTICE
The Lake Elmo Planning Commission will meet Monday, September 28, 1998
at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 3800 Laverne Avenue
North, Lake Elmo, Minnesota.
AGENDA
1. Agenda
2. Minutes September 14, I998
3. PF Ordinance — Continued Consideration
4. Fence Ordinance — Snow Fences
5. Open Space Ordinance — Continued Consideration
6. Comprehensive Plan Amendment — Annexed Area
7. Other
8. Adjourn
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City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission
Meeting Minutes
Monday, September 28,1998
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Chairman Armstrong called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 3800
Laverne Avenue North, Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Present: Commissioners Berg, Brass, Helwig, Herber,
Mandel, and Sessing. Absent: Commissioners Carlson and Graczyk and Councilmember Johnston.
1. AGENDA
M/S/P Helwig/Sessing — to approve the agenda as presented.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
2. MINUTES
M/S/P Sessing/Helwig — to accept the corrected minutes from the September 14, 1998 meeting.
(Motion Passed 6-0-1). Abstain: Brass
3. PF Ordinance
City Planner Dillerud said he had requested the City Attorney to look at this draft ordinance. The City
Attorney said that there may be a difficult time in making the distinction between private schools and
private schools that are accessory to churches. Planner Dillerud said the distinction is single use on the
site compared to a multiple use on a site. He said the buffer vs. maximum site size issue has some
validity. There are some specific site sizes that made the opportunities quite minimal in terms of
development potential.
City Planner Dillerud noted that there had been a revised draft ordinance presented to the Planning
Commissioners from the 6 churches that own property or are existing in Lake Elmo, and noted the
changes made by them (attached). He reviewed other notations made in the draft ordinance and said there
may be other changes made to the church proposal.
Chairman Armstrong presented a letter to the Planning Commission from Mayor Wyn John. (attached)
The Commissioners, City Planner Dillerud and several representatives from local churches discussed
changes to the draft ordinance, The City Planner noted the changes and will present a revised draft to the
Commission at the October 26, 1998 meeting.
4. Fence Ordinance
City Planner Dillerud presented a draft ordinance amending Section 1360.01 Subd. 5 Snow Fences.
"Snow fences shall not be located within fifty (50) feet of property lines or public streets. Snow fences
shall not be placed prior to Novemberl and shall be removed prior to April 15."
M/S/P Mandel/Sessing — to recommend approval of Ordinance 98-
1997 Lake Elmo Municipal Code.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
amending Section 1360 of the
City of Lake Elmo Planning Commission Meeting Minutes September 14, 1998
5. Open Space Ordinance — Continued Consideration
City Planner Dillerud briefly reviewed the most current draft amendments to the Op Ordinance. He said
he thought the scenario would be to fix what we have, and the Planning Commission should continue to
address a more comprehensive review of the OP concept and application methodology.
The Commissioners discussed the latest revisions which included density, rural section streets &
buffering.
M/S/P Mandel/Helwig — to recommend the City Council direct staff to call a Public Hearing on
October 14, 1998 on amendments to the OP (Open Space Zoning District) of the Municipal Code.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
6. Comprehensive Plan Amendment — Annexed Area
City Planner Dillerud reviewed his memo to the planning Commissioners. He said his recommendation is
to designate the entire parcel of the annexed area to OP land use classification.
Commissioner Sessing noted that the existing church should be designated as PF zoning.
M/S/P Sessing/Helwig — to call a Public Hearing on October 14, 1998 regarding the designation of
the entire parcel of land, excluding the existing church -which will be PF, to OP land use
classification.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
Chairman Armstrong adjourned the meeting at 9:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted, Cynthia Young — Recording Secretary
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September 25, 1998
Planning and Zoning Commission
City of Lake Elmo
Dear Commission Members,
1998
CITY CP L.2C.' ELmO
Thank you again for the opportunity to interact regarding the proposed PF ordinance. We
appreciate your openness as we continue to dialogue about our concerns and our
suggestions to modify the ordinance in a way that will not unduly restrict our ministries
to the people of our community. This can be done, we are confident, in a way that will
maintain the distinctives which make Lake Elmo an outstanding community.
Attached is a copy of the PF ordinance with the revisions which we are recommending.
The main feature of our proposal is that we are requesting the "Permitted Uses" category
to be re-established and that cemeteries, churches and parks be placed in that category.
This change maintains considerable control for the city in overall planning without
infringing upon the churches' rights to design and implement ministries which serve our
people and enhance the quality of life in our city.
We plan to be present Monday evening as you discuss this ordinance further. We do
appreciate the service that each of you renders to the people of Lake Elmo.
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Chanter — Zonils
Section 300.07 M Zonin Distriejf
M. Parks. Oaca Snace. Public Facilities. Omni -Public Facilities (PF1
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$gbd 1, Purpose sad Intent:
The purpose and intent of the "PP" zoning district is to allow uses ant
structures that are incidental and appertaining to the overall land uses
permitted in the City. While allowing certain "PP" uses within the C ty,
general performance standards have been established. This is intended to
assure maintenance and preservation of the established rural charactc of
the City by preserving agricultural land, woodlands, corridors, and of ter
significant natural features, and provide buffering between PP and
residential or other uses, when deemed appropriate by the City.
Subd 2, pgrmittsd tlaee - A permit may allow for the following uses:
(a) Cemeteries provided that:
1. Direct access is provided to a public street classified bit the
Comprehensive Plan as Major Collector or Arterial
2. No mausoleum, crematorium, or other structure Is
permitted.
(b) Churches and Places of Worship provided that:
I. Direct access is prelbrred to a public street classified b r the
comprehensive Plan as Major Collector or Arterial wh n
available.
2. No use may exceed a ratio of 235 gallons per day per r et
acre of land.
3. No single on -site sewer system shall be designed to handle
more than 5,000 gallons per day.
4. No broadcast or telecast antennae shall exceed the heidht of
the principal structure.
5. Use of structures or other facilities for services to the
general public not directly related to the ministry of th
local church shall require a conditional use permit.
(c) Parks (Public). provided that:
1. The location, use intensity and location are consistent • vith
the park and Trail Element of the Comprehensive Plan
2. No use may exceed a ratio of235 gallons pc day per Let
acre of land based on design capacity of all facilities.
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3. Except for Neighborhood parks and Tot Lots, as dcfm :d by
the park and Trail Element of the Comprehensive Plat
direct access is provided to a public street classified bn the
Comprehensive Plan as a Major Collector or Arterial.
§ubd 3. Uses Allowed by Condklopsj Use Pgrmlt
In addition to the specific standards and criteria which may be cited b',low
for respective Conditional Uses, each application shall be evaluated breed
on the standards and criteria set forth in Chapter 300.06 of the Lake Fsmo
City Code. A Conditional Use Permit in the PF zoning district may a low
the following structures:
(a) Compost Facilities provided that:
1. Direct access is provided to a public street classified b; the
Comprehensive Plan as Major Collector or Arterial
2. Such facilities are owned and operated by the City of lake
Elmo or its designee.
Facilities for Local, County and State Government, provided
that:
(b)
1. Direct access is provided to a public street classified b} the
Comprehensive Plan as Major Collector or Arterial
2. The use and location is consistent with the Community
Facilities Element of the Comprehensive Nan.
(c) Parks (Private), provided that:
1. No use may exceed a ratio of235 gallons per day per n :t
acre of land based on design capacity of all facilities.
2. A plan is provided, together with a Declaration and
Covenants to run with the title to the land, that prescribes
perpetual maintenance, insurance and ownership
responsibilities for all facilities and land area.
3. Except for Neighborhood parks and Tot Lots, as defines by
the park and Trail Element of the CornprehenMive Plan,
direct access is provided to a public street classified by he
Comprehensive Plan as a Major Collector or Arterial.
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Libraries, and Museums (Public and Private), provided that
I. No use may exceed a ratio of 23$ gallons per day per at
acre of land based on design capacity of all facilities.
2. For private facilities, a plan is provided, together with r
Declaration and Covenants to run with the title to the land,
that prescribes perpetual maintenance, insurance and
ownership responsibilhies for all facilities and land area.
3, Direct access is provided to a public street classified b: the
Comprehensive Plan as a major Collector or Arterial
(e) Public and Private Schools (except licensed day care), provil cd
that:
1. No use may exceed a ratio of 235 gallons per day per m t
acre of land based on design capacity of all facilities.
2. Direct access is provided to a public street classified by the
Comprehensive Plan as a major Collector or Arterial
(t) Historic Sites and Interpretive Centers provided that:
1. Direct access is provided to a public street classified by the
Comprehensive Plan as a major Collector or Arterial.
Saint 4, Accewpry Utesdtrd Streetuyes
Uses and structures which are clearly incidental and subordinate to the
primary permitted, uses and structures. All exterior materials of memory
structures must be the same -as those of the principal structure.
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Subd 5. Miditmum District Requirements
I District Requirements in PP Zoning District
I Lot Size - Maximum NA 1 N.A.
I Lot Width - Minimum 150 Feet N.A.
I Lot Depth - Minimum 150 Feat N.A.
Primary Structure
Setback from Property
Lines
I Front - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
I Side (interior) - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
t Side (Corner) - Minimum 75 Feet _ N.A.
Rear - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
Accessory Structure
Setback from Property
Lines
Front - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
Side (Interior) - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
Side (Corner) -Minimum 75 Fed N.A.
I Rear - Minimum 75 Feet N.A.
I Principal Structure Height - 50 Feet N.A.
MEdmum
Accessory Structure Height 35 Feet
- Maximum
Bell Tower - Maximum -75 Feet
Septic Drainfleld See Section 700
Regulations
Signagc See Section 535
Impervious Surface 75%
Coverage - Maximum
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N.A.
See Section 700
See Section 535
N.A.
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Sabd 6. Performance Standards
e. Minions Architectural Standards. It is in the best Inv rest
of the City to promote high standards of architectural des;o.
New building proposals shall include architectural and sit,
plans prepared by registered architect and shall show the
following as a minimum;
I. Elevations of all sides of the building,
Type and color of exterior building materials,
ili. Typical general floor plans,
iv. Dimensions of all structures,
v. Location of trash containers, heating, cooling and
ventilation equipment and systems,
vi. Description of unique architectural features speaifi. to
the particular request.
vii. The exterior surfaces of all buildings shall be facer.:
with stucco, brick, stone, glass, treated wood or
equivalent material. The City may allow architecturally
enhanced and integrally colored block, in all cases
examples of the proposed Finish are to be submittet for
review by the Planning Commission, No building pill
be constructed with a main exterior surface of shed
aluminum, steel corrugated aluminum, or similar
products; these materials are acceptable only as trim.
Non-structural metal standing seam roofing is
permitted. No accessory building shall exceed the
height ofa principal building. All exterior equipment
and trash and recycling storage areas and dock area
shall be screened with materials used In the principt
structure. Low profile, self-contained HVAC units,
which blend in with the building architecture, arc
exempt from the scorning requirement. Undergroe-xl
utilities shall be provided for all structures. These
standards may be waived in reference to Historical
Structures.
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b. Parldeg. Each site shall be provided with such off-street
automobile parking as follows:
1. Churches and Places of Won* — One (1) space for each
permanent and temporary four (4) seats based on the «esign
capacity of the main assembly ha1L Facilities as may se
provided in conjunction with such buildings and uses hall
be subject to additional requirements which are irnpos: d by
the City Code.
2 Facilities for Local. Countwal $tale Goyemment — t ne
(1) space for each two hundred fifty (250) square feet f
office area. Facilities as may be provided in conjunctihn
with such buildings and uses shall be subject to additional
requirements which arc imposed by the City Code.
3, School, )ylcmenlar_v andJ for j;jigh (Publ_ of or Private —
Three (3) spaces for each classroom.
4. $chooL High School (Public or private) — One (1) span: for
each of two (2) students.
5. Parks (Public or Priyate) — One space for each four (4)
seals spectator capacity for playflelds. Off street parking
requirements for all other park facilities shall be consis ent
with the specifications of manuals prepared by the
American Planning Association and the institute of Trn.1c
Engineers.
6. Wstoric SitesAnd Interpretive Centel, Lt 'sand
Museums (Public or Private) — One (1) space for each t tree
hundred (300) square tbet of floor area '
c. fsadsnaptng. All yard area shall either be landscaped grey n
areas or open and left in a natural state. Yards to be landscaped
shalt be landscaped attractively with lawn, trees and shrubs in
accordance with a plan prepared by a landscape architect.
Areas left in a natural state shall be kept free of litter, debris
and noxious weeks. Yards adjoining any residential zone oh rll
contain a buffer area consisting of terming. landscaping anulor
fencing for the purpose of screening noise, sight, sound and
glare. A reasonable attempt shall be made to preserve as m[ ny
existing trees as is practical and to incorporate their into the
site plan.
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d. Suffering- Where a proposed' PF' development abuts •n RR,
R-1, R-2, It-3, R-4, or RE district other than at a public s reet
line, buffer provision shall be established. There shall be
provided a protective strip of not less than thirty-five (35 feet
in width. The protective strip shall not bc used for parking,
off-street loading or storage and shall be landscaped.
c. Sitrunte._All signs shall comply with Section 535,07, Su xi. 2
of the City Code.
f. Lilrhtlpg. All lighting shall comply with Chapter 1350 o 'the
City Code.
Traffic, No use shall bc allowed unless the property on
provides a traffic plan acceptable to the City, which shall
demonstrate, at a minimum, that the proposed use and resulting
traffic can be accommodated on the abutting public roadway, s
All private roads must comply with existing City reguiati' ns,
with construction and maintenance being the sole responsibility
of the property owner.
Subd ftApplication .Process
Applications for Conditional Use Permits in the PF Zoning District shall'
follow the procedure set forth in Section 300.06, Subd. 4.
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To: Lake Elmo Plannjtng Commission
From: Wyn M. John
Copy: Lake Elmo City°Counci
Lake Elmo City Administrator
Lake Elmo City Planne
Subject:
PF Ordinance Revision
Date: September 28,1998
At the last Planning Commission Meeting you were faced with a well
orchestrated criticism of the proposed changes to the PF Ordinance, Some of
these concerns may well be valid, particularly in relation to the provision of
desirable amenities such as day care centers. I feel some input from me as
your Mayor is necessary too, as I am unable to be present at Council
deliberations through October.
My comments are as follows:
1. Some redefinition of the Ordinance is necessary, to clarify what the City
would like to see, and not want to see in a future Lake Elmo.
2. The accusation that the Ordinance changes are anti religious is simply not
true. The fact that the protest was so strong does indicate to me that it was felt
that the proposed changes limited the opportunities that some churches felt
could advance their ministries.
3. The fundamental aspect that you as a planning body have to address is
whether a large site given over to a big and expanding church, with large
parking lots, facilities for sports arenas, day care centers etc.,., the type of
development which fits into a rural Lake Elmo?
4. Churches are unique, yet operate just as any other business. They look after
the mores of the community, and provide many a social benefit. As any a
business, churches thrive or wither. It is in this long range aspect of me —�
potential change of use of an area already zoned PF that concerns the City
Council. To what extent should a church site be permitted to dominate a
neighborhood that previously was rural?
Approved
City of Lake Elmo
Planning Commission
Meeting Minutes
Monday, September 14, 1998
Chairman Armstrong called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 3800
Laverne Avenue North, Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Present: Commissioners Berg, Carlson, Helwig, Herber,
Mandel and Sessing. Absent: Commissioners Brass and Graczyk and Councilmember Johnston. Also
present, City Planner Dillerud.
1. AGENDA
7.a Chairman Armstrong; add discussion — OP.
M/S/P Helwig/Sessing — to approve the agenda, as amended.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
2. MINUTES
M/S/P Sessing/Berg — to accept the minutes from the August 24, 1998 meeting, as presented.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
3. PUBLIC HEARING — Oakdale Gun Club
Northeast Quadrant of 10`h Street and Keats Avenue
Amendment to CUP
City Planner Dillerud reviewed the history of the Oakdale Gun Club which extends back to 1965 and
most likely further. He said it appears that the most current CUP was issued by the City in 1988 and has
been annually renewed. He said the demolition of the existing barn structure was nearly completed. He
said the Gun Club proposed the construction of a replacement storage structure of 2,800 square feet and
noted the location; demolition of the caretaker's residence and replacing that with a new residence of
1.175 square fee with an additional 3-car garage of 832 square feet; relocation of the main access road to
the site approximately 600 feet to the west of the existing entrance. Said staff recommends approval of
the CUP amendment as proposed, based on the opinion of the City Attorney, they also recommend that
the approval action be conditioned on the amendment of the Comprehensive Plan to reclassify the west 40
acres of the Gun Club site from OP to AG, as it was classified prior to the "OP Amendment" to the
Comprehensive Plan.
Chairman Armstrong opened and closed the comment portion of the PH at 7:15 p.m., NO
COMMENTS.
Chairman Armstrong and Commissioner Berg stated they are not opposed to the proposed amendment
and support the issue, in terms of the intention of the OP reclassification. Commissioner Helwig said he
had heard off -hour shooting. The applicant said there were plans to install an electronic gate and that
should help remedy any unlawful activity.
M/S/P Mandel/Carlson — to recommend approval of Resolution No. , granting a Conditional
Use Permit Amendment to the Oakdale Gun Club to allow construction of a caretaker residence
and storage building based on the following findings:
1. The proposed CUP Amendment will not result in additional impact on the public
health, safety, morals or general welfare of surrounding property. The operation of the
Gun Club will not be altered from that which presently is experienced as the result of
this amendment.
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2. The anticipated traffic conditions related to the use of this site may actually improve as
the result of this amendment by substantially increased setback of the residence, and the
enhanced traffic stacking area from 10`h Street.
3. Effect on public utilities and school capacity is not applicable.
4. There may be improved visual impact and adjoining property values resulting from
removal of the barn and existing residence.
5. While the existing land use (target range) appears to be inconsistent with the
Comprehensive Plan since 1996, the single family residence and storage building
replacement proposed by this application as an amendment to the existing Conditional
Use Permit would not be.
And, including the following conditions:
1. Compliance with all terms and conditions of City Council Resolution No. 88-5,
Approving a Conditional Use Permit for an outdoor target range to Oakdale Gun Club.
2. Demolition of the existing residence.
3. Amendment of the Land Use Element of the Comprehensive Plan to reclassify the west
40 acres of the Oakdale Gun Club property from OP (Open Space Preservation) to AG
(Agricultural). The reguiding of the land should be in the context of the overall
Comprehensive Plan Amendment.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
4. PUBLIC HEARING — PUBLIC FACILITIES
Zoning Ordinance Amendments
City Planner Dillerud reviewed the process in creating standards, to date. He presented two overhead
views of Public Facility guided locations in the City, existing and future. Advised the Commission to
keep citywide impact in mind when making recommendations. He asked them to measure the entire City,
not one specific site. -
Chairman Armstrong noted, for the record, letters to the Planning Commission; 1) Joan and Steve
Ziertman; 2) Lakewood Evangelical Free Church. (attached)
Chairman Armstrong opened the comment portion of the Public Hearing at 7:43 p.m.
Bryan Latchaw Pastor-Parkview Community Church
10240 Stillwater Blvd.
Asked what are the Citywide considerations and if Pastors can be involved in the decision making
process.
Dan Dennison - Pastor -River Valley Christian Church
5900 Lake Elmo Ave.
Has concerns regarding Subd.2, b.4, 5, 6. and Subd. 6. a. vii. of the proposed ordinance.
Reminded the Planning Commission that when a daycare business in Lake Elmo had a fire which
destroyed their facility, it was a Lake Elmo Church that offered their facility until the daycare business
was rebuilt.
Charles Palmer - Lakewood Evangelical Church
660 Edith Avenue
Mahtomedi, MN 55115
Read a prepared statement. (Attached)
Jerry Schwartz
82 Cimarron
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He asked the Planning Commission to take a closer look at this ordinance. Said he felt that churches and
the programs they offer are an investment in the youth of the future.
Jeffrey Roos — MFRA
Representing Apostolic Bible Church
15050 N. 23rd Ave.
Plymouth, MN
He said his church had discussed building and currently the church is a permitted use on the properly,
but this ordinance reflects a substantial change. He discussed the buffering areas, and presented
drawings of several different scenarios showing where a facility would be situated and how the 200 ft.
setback would negatively affect a church's ability to grow. He said there is a willingness to co-operate
with the City in future planning regarding PF. He also presented a letter dated September 14, 1998
(attached).
Jim Bonhom
8549 Cherrywood Trail
He said he has been a resident and coached youth for many years. He said going to a high school or
another public facility is not always an option, and sees athletic fields and such at a local church as a
place that could be free of drugs, and drinking, etc. He said the youth of the community need a safe
place.
Jim Arkell
8131 Hidden Bay Trail
He said when he read the proposed ordinance that he felt its purpose was to create a "country church"
on a small bit of land. He said this is not the case anymore, needs have changed and the community
cannot be served by less than a multifunctional church. He asked that this issue be sent back to
committee.
Penny Demko — Resident and Local Business Owner; Lake Elmo Floral
3929 Innsdale Avenue
She said as a business owner and parent of children in the community, she donates time and money to
community programs such as the "scouts" and other events. Said these programs are typically connected
with a local church. Said she goes to a church outside Lake Elmo because Lake Elmo does not have a
church that meets her needs, regarding daycare and sports center, etc. Feels this ordinance is too
restrictive regarding churches.
Joe Kvaase
4605 Olson Lake Trail
Thinks this ordinance is an extreme reaction and hates to see government controlling what a church can
and cannot do. She said this is not the horse and buggy days and with the moral decay lately, we need to
offer more church facilities. She said she sees the church as the backbone of our culture and wants this
sent back to committee.
Dr. Jerry Rouse — Sr. Pastor Lakewood Evangelical
5111 Hilltop
Said he feels this ordinance is unfriendly to churches. He said he feels it crosses a fine line between
church and state issues and it goes to far to restrict how a church can serve the general public. He said
public schools, which are an allowed use, can provide athletic facilities but a church cannot, according to
this ordinance.
Ken Larson
8200 Hidden Bay Trail
He asked the commission to reconsider and feels the y should encourage churches into the community.
Said he felt this ordinance was too harsh and restrictive to churches. He said that many hospitals,
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educational and other public service institutions are the direct result of churches. He asked that this
issue be tabled.
Larry Feldhahn
7898 DeMontreville Trail N.
He thanked the Planning Commission and Chuck Dillerud for their hard work on this ordinance. He said
he was cautious about the seminary reference and also that the 50% maximum impervious surface figure
may be out of line. He said he wanted the commission to consider 1st Amendment rights by churches.
Chairman Armstrong closed the comment portion of the PH at 8:45 p.m.
Chairman Armstrong said that usually, the planning commission had an "empty room" at meetings and
urged the public to participate in the process. Encouraged the audience to keep up with their input to City
staff.
City Planner Dillerud said he had kept track of specific questions from the public and would be happy to
address them. He said in his experience it is better to start off with "more ordinance" rather than too
little. He pointed out that over and over again the desire of the community has been to remain "rural" in
appearance and character. He said there has to be a way to blend the contemporary church setting with
the rural desires of the community. He said to look at churches in the community now, and they represent
what the City has in mind. He asked the planning commissioners to tell him what they want, and he will
draft it. Regarding specific issues raised in the testimony heard: Outside athletic fields; Goal prohibiting
them - intent was to try to make this a Sunday religious organization. Education; Religious education, a
day school would be a business operation and impact a neighborhood. Daycare Centers; Common in
churches but again, day to day operation. Services to the General Public; same as the others, impact of
ministries and seminaries will have an effect on residential neighborhoods. Broadcasting; intent was to
preclude the "antennae farm"that would go along with a major broadcast. This would not preclude
videotaping and rebroadcast. Siding; Intent is that additions exterior be consistent with the existing
building. Lot size/structure 15 acre maximum; Lake Ehno may not be in a position culturally to deal
with a "mega -church". He agreed that 50% impervious surface was too high. Non -conforming uses for
all existing churches; yes, they would be. The intent is not to be unfriendly to churches, the impact
potential is apparent. Agrees that churches are the fabric of any community.
Chairman Armstrong encouraged all the representatives from the local churches put into writing and
direct to the City Planner, the current uses and goals and what they may feel will be restricted by the
ordinance as it is proposed.
M/S/P Carlson/Armstrong — to table the PF ordinance discussion until its September 28, 1998
meeting and notice be sent to the local church officials in order for them to have an opportunity to
provide input.
(Motion Passed 7-0).
Commissioner Carlson left the meeting at 9:20 p.m.
TEN MINUTE BREAK
5. Zoning Ordinance Amendments: Accessory Structures
City Planner Dillerud reviewed the changes made to the Accessory Structures
M/S/F Helwig/Berg — to change the size of accessory structures in the residential zoning district of
over 2 acres to 1500 square feet.
(Motion Failed 2-4-0).
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M/S/P Armstrong/Mandel to direct staff to call a Public Hearing for the October 14, 1998 Planning
Commission Meeting.
(Motion Passed 6-0).
6. Fence Ordinance
City Planner Dillerud said the main issue facing the commission at this time is the snow fence portion of
the fence section of the code. He said it was not necessary to have a Public Hearing on this issue.
Chairman Armstrong said the main concern with snow fencing is neighbor impact. Discussion continued.
City Planner Dillerud will bring draft amendments to the next meeting.
7. Other: OP Ordinance
The Commissioners discussed the OP Ordinance fundamentals.
M/S/P Armstrong/Sessing — to: 1) Repeal the OP Future Land Use map back to pre-1996 status;
2) Re-establish the OP in the Comprehensive Plan as an overlay district; 3) Give special concern
to avoid RED development patterns.
(Motion Passed 4-2). Opposed: Berg, Helwig.
Chairman Armstrong adjourned the meeting at 10:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted, Cynthia Young -Recording Secretary
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