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April 24, 1978 Page 9 <br />so he could plow snow over it. Mr. Hall stated that he has no problems with the curb <br />he has presently and pointed out that County Road H has asphalt curbing on both sides. <br />Engineer Hubbard replied that the City does not have a firm policy to require concrete, <br />asphalt or no curbing at all but that he personally feels concrete curbs and gutters <br />are the best solution to solve either parking lot drainage or snow plowing problems. <br />He added that Perkins was required to put in concrete curbing, while Rent -All has <br />asphalt, and that Mounds View Square has both concrete and asphalt and that the <br />asphalt has already started deteriorating. He also pointed out that snow plows <br />often rip the grass next to the asphalt curbs and thus the grass is often missing next <br />to the curbs. Engineer Hubbard recommended that the City consider a policy requiring <br />concrete curbing and gutters. He added that at this time the City has the opportunity <br />to require certain types of improvements and that concrete curbs and gutters would <br />benefit the whole parking lot. <br />Councilmember Ziebarth stated that in terms of benefit to property, he felt concrete <br />would be the best in the long run. He pointed out that the City has had trouble with <br />asphalt curbs because they do not hold up, especially in heavily travelled areas. He <br />recommended that an amount be escrowed if asphalt curbing was approved, to guarantee <br />that repairs would be made when necessary. <br />Councilmember Baumgartner stated that he agreed with Councilmember Ziebarth's comments <br />and added that concrete curbing had been required at Perkins, McDonalds, the Launching <br />Pad and the Bona Road extension. He added that he could appreciate the problem with <br />the difference in cost but that he felt over a 10 or 20 year period the concrete curb <br />and gutter would hold up best and probably save money. <br />Councilmember Rowley stated that she agreed with Councilmember Ziebarth's and Council- <br />member Baumgartner's comments and that she felt in the long run the additional cost <br />for concrete curbing would prove itself. <br />Mayor Pickar stated that he felt Mr. Hall could enter into a development agreement <br />with the minimum asphalt curbing required for drainage presently with possibly a <br />4 -5 year time frame to get cement curbing in around the property. He added that <br />in taking into consideration the hardship of th.e cost, he did not have any problems <br />with setting such a time frame. <br />Mr. Hall replied that he did not feel he would need cement curbing, even in four or <br />five years. He added that he does not have the traffic problems that the Launching <br />Pad has and that he has made improvements to his parking lot as required. He requested <br />that the Council review the situation in 4 -5 years to see if they still feel concrete <br />curbing would be required. <br />MSP Pickar- Ziebarth) to approve the City issuing a building permit to Charles Hall <br />for the Mermaid Lounge and to adopt Resolution No. 893 authorizing execution of <br />Development Agreement 78 -13 for the construction of the 24 lane bowling area as <br />described in the plat presented by Mr. Hall, and further recommend the change in the <br />drainage and the ponding area as discussed in Paragraph 1 of the Clerk-Administrator's <br />memo dated 4/24/78 and further add that an asphalt curb be added to the parking area <br />as determined by the Engineer as necessary, in order to direct the flow of water, and <br />that baffling be required, and that it be replaced by concrete curbing around the entire <br />structure within five years from this date. Approval would be contingent upon Rice <br />Creek Watershed District approval. <br />Councilmember Ziebarth asked if the motion would take into consideration the parking <br />spaces variance required and the disparity of the 5' and 15' on the original plan <br />on the far west green space. Councilmember Baumgartner replied that the road that <br />
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