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up verses the number of dogs claimed from a municipality with a leash law. Connie Mossey replied that Roseville has a very good average of dogs claimed. They have a leash law and a strict fine when your dog is running at large. Mr. Stowasser asked if there was anything in the ordinance on habitual barking. Attorney Meyers read the portion of the ordinance that covers this. Robert Shelquist, 8025 Fairchild questioned under the special use permit why it is worded that the dog is free to roam the whole neighborhood upon affidavit from neighbors when it doesn't do any good if the owner isn't in command. Mrs. Pahl inquired how long the special use permit would be good. It would be for the lifetime of the dog. It still would have to be licensed. Connie Bissonnette, 8312 Red Oak Drive, stated that very few people should get the special use permit. You would be able to tell by watching them which ones are in training. Kathleen McReynolds would like the wording to be more specific in granting a special use permit. It should state only the affidavit by the owner. Steve Thompson believes part of the problem is the different interpretations people put on the meaning of a trained dog. Councilman Baumgartner doesn't approve of Subdivision 13 (4). He feels too many permits will be applied for and nobody is competent enough to say if the dog is well trained. He feels he is being penalized. He feels the police could help out to determine where the dog problems are. The same ones that let their dogs run loose now will let them run loose after 4:30 P.M. when the B & E Patrol shift is over. Councilman Pickar is in disagreement with Subdivison 13 (1). He can't buy it - doesn't think a dog should be on a leash. Councilman Johnson basically likes the leash law. Thinks the majority is spoiling it for the minority. He likes the dog ordinance with the exception of Subdivision 13 (4). He believes the special use permit would create problems with enforcement and determinations. He would like some alternatives to this section. Councilman Hodges stated he was against leashing until July 31st when he helped some boys deliver flyers in Mounds View. He saw people who couldn't ride their bikes because of all the dogs. His son also got bit by one of the dogs. He doesn't think other people should have to put up with this. He agrees with Councilman Johnson on Subdivision 13 (4). He feels it should be taken out or written in with voice control. Mayor Neisen agrees with the leash law. He has gone through about seven hearings in the last five years. It's the next step, people are not abiding by the present ordinance. He feels we have to take Subdivision 21, which is a census of the area, to get the licenses on the dogs and then the owner of the dog will be penalized and agrees that Subdivision 13 (4) needs to be cleaned up with some wording that would hold up in a court of law.