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1 ma 9r'n Page 4 � j �'�j j rA -1, , ' 3� November 24, 1997 • Mounds View City Council 1 Mr.Ulrich explained that based upon input,staff has come up with a recommendation which would essentially 2 be a compromise between the current city standards and the acceptable designs posed 3 by the questionnaire Ms.Hawke prepared. Staffs recommendation is for a 28 foot wide roadway on a portion 4 of Spring Lake Road with a 26 foot wide roadway on County Road I and a small part of Spring Lake Road with 5 curb and gutter. He noted that staff continues to be concerned about potential parking problems for residents 6 if the design of the roadway does not allow for parking. 7 8 Council member Stigney asked what MSA funds would be lost if the city chose the option that would not be 9 MSA funded. Mr.Ulrich noted that it would be a percentage of the total cost,however he did not have the 10 exact figures available. However,not only would they lose the construction dollars allotted for the project at 11 this time, plus future maintenance dollars and reconstruction dollars for that segment of mileage. Because this 12 is a county road turn back,this will be the only opportunity for the city to consider this road for state aid 13 funding. 14 15 Council member Quick asked what width that portion of Spring Lake Road is in the City of Spring Lake Park 16 Mr.Ulrich noted that it is 32 feet wide. Mr.Whiting asked what the life span of the various options would be. 17 Mr.Peters noted that this is difficult to establish as it will be based upon the amount of traffic on the roadway. 18 If the road is sealcoated approximately every 4 to 5 years,it could be expected to last twenty years; the time 19 would likely be reduced without curb and gutter. Mr.Ulrich gave examples of other projects,noting that 20 those without curb and gutter experience significant deterioration. . 21 22 Mayor McCarty asked about the loss of mature trees in the project area,noting that this has been a concern of 23 residents all along. Mr.Peters stated he will be able to provide more information after a design has been 24 decided on. 25 26 Barb Haake,3024 County Road I,asked what portion of the project area is currently designated as MSA 27 roadway. Mr.Campbell,City Engineer noted that none of the project area is MSA at this time. By the end of 28 the year,the city must certify to the state how the road is to be designated. Ms.Hawke stated she believes 29 there are many other roads in Mounds View that could be designated MSA roadways and according to a 30 representative she spoke with,the money would not be lost and it would stay in a fund and could accumulate 31 for a period of time before it would need to be expended. The cost estimate she received over the phone for a 32 similar roadway was considerably less than the city's,however with the additional 25%for engineering fees and 33 contingencies,it would add a significant amount. 34 35 Council member Quick clarified that only turn back roads could be designated as MSA roadway,therefore the 36 funds could not be used unless the road under consideration met certain criteria. 37 38 Ms.Haake noted she still believes there are other streets that could be designated MSA and she would like 39 professional research done to show that Additionally,she explained that residents were never told that there 40 was an option to leave the street width as it currently is(24 feet). They were also told that curb and gutter was 41 required-they later found out that with an urban design,it is not required. She stated she would like to obtain 42 information in regard to the difference in dollar amounts that the city would receive each year if the entire 43 project were to be designated as MSA roadway. Another suggestion would be to do an asphalt road with a 44 two foot concrete section on both sides to protect the edges of the road. Ms.Haake noted that residents would 45 not be so disturbed if they felt that the turn back funds were being applied to this particular project. She felt 46 the city should tell Ramsey County to fix the road up and keep the funds so that the residents wouldn't be left 47 with the assessment. Ms.Haake noted that the best way to treat storm water is to have a holding pond. An