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Present:
Mayor Neisen
Councilman Hodges
Councilman Johnson
Councilman Baumgartner
Councilman Pickar
PROCEEDINGS OF THE VILLAGE COUNCIL
VILLAGE OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
June 12, 1972
The Regular Meeting of the Mounds View Village Council was called to order by
Mayor Neisen at 8:00 P.M. on Monday, June 12, 1972 at the Village Hall, 2401
Highway #10, St. Paul, Minnesota 55112.
Also Present:
Utility Billing Clerk Sandgren
Attorney Meyers
Engineer Boehm
MSP (Hodges /Pickar) To approve the minutes of May 22, 1972 and to approve
the minutes of the Special Meeting of May 24, 1972. 5 Ayes
Mayor Neisen's Report
Mayor Neisen read the police report for May.
Mayor Neisen read a letter of resignation from Marilyn Lidberg, Police Secretary,
effective August 4, 1972.
MSP (Neisen /Hodges) To advertise for a new police secretary starting date to be
July 31, 1972. 5 Ayes
Mayor Neisen read a letter from Twin City Red Barns, Inc. which has been authorized
by the United States Olympic Committee to conduct a special, one -time national fund-
lip :aising drive for the benefit of the U.S. Olympic Team. The Red Barn restaurants in
this area will be participating in this nationwide fund drive starting June 27th and
ending July 24th. June 28th is the only day that door -to -door solicitaions will be
allowed in Mounds View. All proceeds will be turned over to the United States Olympic
Committee to help send our U.S. Team to the 1972 Summer Olympic Games.
MSP (Pickar /Hodges) To waive the solicitors fee to Twin City Red Barns, Inc. for
the fund raising drive. The solicitors are requested to pick up a soliciting pass
from the Village Hall before beginning the campaign. 5 Ayes
Residents Requests and Comments from the floor
Barbara Haake reported that the posts had not been replaced along the south side
of Spring Lake and there is no trash barrel. She suggested a barrel could be
chained to the tree there. Mayor Neisen said it is the County's responsibility to
replace the posts and they had been notified about three weeks ago. The police were
alerted to check the area more often and issue summons to violators and to restrict
cars from the area.
Robert Glazer commented on the blind corner at Hillview and Eastwood. There is an
unoccupied house there and the shrubbery has grown up. Inspector Skiba stated that
perhaps sincc FHA has it nnw they would allow the Village to remove the hedge.
Inspector Skiba and Chief Grabowski will check into the matter.
Mrs. Caroline Basterash of 8000 Greenwood Drive commented on the poor condition of
the swings at Hillview Park, and railings missing from the slides. She suggested
chat perhaps a street light in the area would help. Councilman Baumgartner commented
that the swings would not be replaced now because no money is available when they
"take" the swings. Also they wouldn't be replaced at the same spot due to the newly
erected fence. Plans are to move the swings further East. Councilman Hodges
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commented that the railings were at the maintenance shop and due to the shortage of
man power they have not been installed. With the hiring of additional help for the
summer he was hoping to get this work done.
Councilman Baumgartner stated there would be a Park Board meeting on Wednesday
evening and the ordering of new swings was on the agenda. Saturday morning the
hockey boards will be replaced.
Utility Billing Clerk Sandgren's Report
MSP (Johnson /Baumgartner) To approve the following licenses: Asphalt Darrell
Quinehan; General Contractor Arnold C. Palmer Const. Co., Olson Concrete Company,
Ives Construction, Derksen Builders, Inc.; Cement Myrdal Pearson Construction, 5 Ayes
MSP (Pickar /Hodges) To approve the following bills: General checks No. 6142
consecutive throught 6197, Bond checks No. 612 and 613 and Payroll checks No. 2744
consecutive through 2768. Total disbursements $144,890.53.
Mayor Neisen stated that the check made out to him for $150 was to go to Rochester
to the League of Minnesota Municipalities Convention. Any unused money would be
turned back to the Village.
MSP (Johnson /Baumgartner) To authorize the Clerk to sign the final Plat for
Leonard Goodroad.
The final plat involved 8273 and 8275 Eastwood Road making four lots out of the
present two and granting a 30 ft. easement at the back of the property.
Councilman Hodges' Report
No report.
Councilman Hodges stated that Clerk- Administrator Zvlla was at
Camp Ripley for two weeks therefore absent from the Council meeting.
Councilman Johnson's Report
Councilman Johnson stated a new date would have
of the street address renumbering.
MSP (Johnson /Pickar) To set the public hearing
numbering for July 24th at 8:30 P.M.
to be set for the public hearing
date for the street address re-
Councilman Baumgartner stated that the hearing had originally been
June 26th. but was postponed.
scheduled for
Councilman Johnson read a petition for a street light to be installed on Greenwood
Drive somewhere between Hillview Road and Sherwood Road,
proximity of Hillview Park.
to be installed in the
MSP (Johnson /Baumgartner) To install two street lights, one to be located on the
corner of the park property.
Chief Grabowski was directed to check the area to see where the street lights
should be placed to do the most good.
kt 8:30 P.M. Mayor Neisen announced that the hearing to consider the issuance of
.n on sale intoxicating liquor license to Louis Gydesen in connection with a
proposed Anchor Inn Restaurant to be located north of Highway #10 between Red Oak
Drive and Sunnyside Road had been withdrawn. Mr. Gydesen would still like to locate
in the Village of Mounds View but is looking for different territory.
5 Ayes
5 Ayes
5 Ayes
5 Ayes
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Councilman Baumgartner's Report
Councilman Baumgartner read the Planning Commission Report for May.
e ft dr. Beim appeared before the Council with Mr. Don Nordbloom, architect and Mr.
Nordbloom's associate and Mr. Julius Bonello, an attorney. Mayor Neisen presented
the location maps for the motor freight terminal on 13 acres of the Mounds View
Industrial Park. Mayor Neisen asked if the Pollution Control Agency was represented.
Utility Billing Clerk Sandgren stated she had talked with Mr. Dick Starn of the
Air Quality Engineer Department and they were not interested in being present tonight
but they would like to be notified at a later date when more specific plans were
available. At the present time there are no regulations on noise polution but
they are working on it.
Attorney Bonello was asked how many vehicles would be involved at one time. He
specified 150 -200 which included tractors and trailers.
Mr. Beim stated he had talked with Ken Simons of the County Green Area. Five to
ten acres of swamp land would be left undisturbed. Mr. Nordbloom stated the property
would be fenced and landscaping will be done, there would be a dust proof area with
some parking.
Mr. Robert Glazer said he had talked with both the P.C.A. and the Rice Creek Water
Shed and that they would want approval of the Council subject to their endorcement.
He stated the trailers would accumulate diesel soot and would have to be washed off.
There would be a lot of run off.
Mr. Nordbloom stated that any water would be handled thru the sewer line, not run off.
Attorney Bonello said they are contemplating putting in an ?utomatic washing machine.
$t the present time they have one man who is a part time washer.
Engineer Boehm stated that the property could be graded so the water flowed toward
Rice Creek. It should be checked into how much water would be used.
Mayor Neisen suggeste that perhaps the water could be recycled so it wouldn't be
an overload on our sewer system.
Councilman Johnson stated that the car washes recycle the water.
Mr. Glazer asked about the weight of the trucks. Attorney Bonello said the gross
weight was 73,000 pounds.
Mr. Glazer asked about the noise the trucks would create, and if adult shrubbery
could be placed to absorb the noise.
Architect Nordbloom said the area would be fenced and landscaped. Mr. Glazer presented
a representative situation of weighted sound level which showed trucks at 85.
Attorney Bonello said they would be using Highway 496 most of the time.
Attorney Meyers asked how many units would be involved, and wLat the building would
be like. Attorney lboncilo stated the platform area is 325 x 80 ft. and had 30 doors.
Mr. Nordbloom said the outside would he brick and stucco.
Attorney Meyers asked about Etas pumps. Mr. Bonello said it would be an inside fueling
system or crvered.
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Mr. Glazer showed some slides he had taken of truck terminals in Roseville and also
of the present location of Century Motor Terminal in south east Minneapolis, which
showed some bad "housekeeping" and soot on trailers. They were not located in any
residential area. He hoped we could do something for a tidy operation if they locate
in Mounds View.
Engineer Boehm asked how many employees would be on the sight at one time. The
answer between fifty and one hundred. The terminal would be located on 13.9 acres.
A resident inquired how many units would be moving between 10 at night and 6 in the
morning. Attorney Bonello answered three, four, five an hour.
Mr. Glazer asked if the Village could set its own noise limit. Attorney Meyers said
we couldn't interfer with interstate commerce.
MSP (Hodges /Johnson) To authorize the Attorney to prepare a Special Use agreement
to be entered into with Century Motor Freight with stipulations plus detailed site
plans subject to Council approval.
Attorney Bonello said he would check into the outside storage of tires for Century
Motor Freight which appeared in one of the slides Mr. Glazer presented.
Councilman Johnson asked when the ground breaking would be. The answer was when the
architect had the full plans and specifications and when the financing was arranged.
They hoped ground breaking could be by fall.
Mr. Beim presented a petition for street, water and sewer. He was instructed to
hold the petition until the Special Use Permit was okayed.
layor Neisen adjourned the regular meeting at 9:10 P.M. to hold the scheduled
_searing,
Mayor Neisen announced that there would not be an Agenda Meeting on June 19th. The
next one would be June 26th. at 7:00 P.M. followed by the regular Council Meeting at
8:00 P.M.
Mayor Neisen announced that on June 6th he and Mayon Farrell of Shorview had gone
to St. James to deliver the tickets for the Polka Festival in payment of a bet on
the Mounds View Basket Ball Team. He stated that St. James should be commended for
showing appreciation of the tickets.
The hearing to issue a Special Use Permit to Keith Harstad to construct 72 townhouse
units reconveined at 9:12 P.M. Mr. Harstad brought us up to date as to what had
happened at previous meetings and presented three plans.
Plan 1 was of lots meeting code or better in size and 9 townhouses with one running
north and south facing Long Lake Road.
Plan 2 was comprised of 80 foot lots, h townhouses on County Road H2, 2 double
bungalows one located on the corner of County Road H2 and Long Lake Road the other
on the corner of Ridge Lane and Long Lake Road. This was refered to as the P.R.D.Plan
or P.U.D.
Lan 3 the lots varied in size from 83 feet wide to 85 feet and Mr. Harstad specified
double bungalows along Red Oak Drive instead of residences and 6 townhouses on County
Road 112.
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Milton Stole, planning commission chairman asked if it was the intent of the
ordinance to allow substandard lots. He stated the parcel of land should be
large enough for code size lots. He said the major opposition to the original
plan seemed to be the position of a townhouse facing Long Lake Road.
Attorney Meyers read from the Zoning Ordinance in reference to P.U.D. Section 9. 1 -2.
He stated the plan would have to go back to the Planning Commission for their approval
if he wanted to use P.U.D. P.U.D. has never been used in Mounds View before. Attorney
Meyers stated that under P.R.D. (Planned Residential District) given certain factors,
you can have smaller lots.
Attorney Meyers asked how many building lots Mr. Harstad would lose on his 3rd.
proposal. Mr. Harstad answered 5 lots.
Mr. Harstad stated that if he could not get one of the proposals approved tonight
he would have no alternative but to run the streets straight out to Long Lake Road.
Mr. Perkins, 2559 Woodale wanted to know where the land donation would be if the
streets are run straight out. Mr. =larstad answered that it would be a 158 foot
strip on the end between the drainrbe ditch and Long Lake Road.
Mr. Tom Erwin, inquired if there were any plans for the proposed drainage ditch
at Highway #10 and Long Lake Road. Engineer Boehm answered yes, there was a
ditch but there were no plans for conduit at this time. When more development
takes place there would be more run off and a need at that time.
Mr. Harold Hjelle, 5161 Red Oak Drive asked why the sublot problem again at this
time. Mayor Neisen stated that it was news to him tonight. Attorney Meyers stated
it had been in the ordinance since 1960.
Councilman Johnson asked if Mr. Harstad had recently read any of the real estate
development trade magazines regarding residential development planning. Councilman
Johnson stated he thought the proposal had to many straight lines and square lots.
He suggested cul -de -sacs or cluster housing.
Tim Kishel, 5242 Long Lake Road stated he agreed with some of Mr. Harstads things
but didn't think the 158 foot strip was a good idea. He thought a 300 foot plus
area for parks would be better. He didn't object to living across the street from
the park area. He liked Plan 2 and found no objections with the 80 foot lot plan.
Mayor Neisen reminded us that the park plan had been defeated last fall.
Mr. Harstad stated this park would belong to the Home Owners Association and would
be just for the people in the area. It would not be a public park.
Mayor Neisen stated that the private home is a burden on the Village, it doesn't
pay its own way.
Mrs. Barbara Haake, a planning commission member asked if the private park would
meet the ord i..u“,, for land cr money donat_nr to th vi ,1O-
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it would. Mr. Harstad stated he would be willing to spend more than 10
Mr. Parkins was not in favor of a private park. The kids have just as much fun
playing in the weeds. He felt the people would like open space area.
Mr. Harstad was asked why it was economical to run the streets thru when he
wouldn't develop that lower arca. Mr. Harstad answered there would be four to
seven more lots. He would bring in turnapolcs to dig out the peet.
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Mr. Nerdahl asked if we had to accept env land donation. Mayor Ncisen answered that
the developer has the right to choose what he wants to donate when development exceeds
30 acres. Attorney Meyers stated we don't have to accept the donation. Mayor Neisen
said if we don't accept the park Mr. Harstad can let it go back to taxes. If the
property sits idle, in two years half of the same people that are here tonight will
be in wondering why it isn't developed.
Councilman Pickar asked if Mr. Harstad couldn't go to the Planning Commission with
Plan 2 and Plan 3.
Attorney Meyers stated that Plan 1 has been anproved by the Planning Commission.
Plan 2 and Plan 3 (P.R.D.) has to go back to the Planning Commission.
Mayor Neisen asked if anyone agreed with Mr. Harstad? Mrs. Barbara Haake said the
residents prefered Plan 2 which has not been to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Glazer stated he didn't want to set a precedence of P.U.D. Milton Stole said
if they did,every parcel owner would be in asking for the same thing. Attorney Meyers
stated that a P.U.D. is comprised of three acres or more.
Mr. Perkins came forward and summarized the discussion of the other night: They liked
the undeveloped property, the kids like to play there. Didn't want to look at town-
houses across the street. No objection to 80 foot lots. Didn't like the first plan,
preferred Plan 2.
Mayor Neisen said that the Council would not be representing the people of Mounds View
if they set a different standard for each person. They kicked out 80 foot lots before
and denyed them the right to build on them.
Awk A resident asked what price housing would be on the 80 and 85 foot lots. Mr. Harstad
replied $30,000 $40,000. The same price housing on either lot.
The hearing was closed to the public at 10:12. Mayor Neisen polled the Council.
Councilman Hodges said he wanted to stick to larger lots. His home was built on
a smaller lot and he thought it was to small. He prefered Plan 1 with modification.
He wanted the townhouse on the corner of Long Lake Road and County Road H2 set back.
Councilman Johnson was against reducing the lot size below 85 feet. He felt that the
Council had to maintain a standard. He thought the plan was uncreative, there were to
many straight streets and lots. The area could be made more beautiful.
Councilman Baumgartner agreed with Councilmen Hodges and Johnson. Likes Plan 1 with
modification, setting the townhouses 335 feet off Long Lake Road.
Councilman Pickar stated the P.U.D. plan of building on more property was his perogative.
He liked Plan 1, better with modification.
Mayor Neisen is opposed to anything less than 85 feet. He stated he was on the
Council when they denied White Oak, Hvl6c.huh and Red O Ferrates smaller lots,
and that they have to treat every one alike. Our Village is 2,000 square feet
larger than any village is on townhouses for open space. Someone had called to ask
if the area is zoned residential and if it would stay residential. Mayor Neisen
stated that he felt it would be. Townhouses are permitted in R -1 with a special
permit.
III 4r. Harstad was instructed to furnish complete sight plans showing lots and location
of townhouses. Mr. Harstad said he would furnish several plans as far as open space
was concerned for the Planning Commission and Council to approve.
Councilman Johnson asked if any double bungalows were included in Plan 1. Mr.
Harstad answered no, Mr. Harstad was asked if there would be double garages under
the townhouses. Mr. Harstad said them would be if that was what the Council
preferred. Mr. Harstad said he planned to excavate the land for as many walk-
00°) outs as possible. He plans to remodel the old house on County Road H2 to conform
with the other townhouses.
MSP (Hodges /Pickar) To accept the concept of single family homes and townhouses, ds
presented by Mr. Harstad at the two hearings, May 22 and June 12, 1972, requesting that
he present a detailed sight plan to the Council for its examination and final approval.
4 Ayes
Johnson Naye
Councilman Baumgartner said we would accept the peoples idea of how to develop the
green areas. Mr. Harstad said he would put in a tot lot, tennis court and
swimming pool. Councilman Hodges suggested trees along Long Lake Road to shield
the townhouses. Mr. Harstad said he could plant two rows of trees if they wanted
him to.
MSP (Johnson /Baumgartner) To close the hearing at 10:28 P.M. 5 Ayes
The Regular Meeting resumed.
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Councilman Baumgartner continued to read the Planning Commission minutes.
Mr. Arthur Zielinski, 8344 Groveland Road, requested a Special Use Permit to construct
an oversize garage. Councilman Baumgartner stated it could be called a variance due
to size and height. He proposed a public hearing.
MSP (Baumgartner /Johnson) To hold a public hearing on July 10th at 8:30 P.M. re-
garding the oversize garage to be constructed at 8344 Groveland Road. 5 Ayes
Mayor Neisen directed Engineer Boelnn to see that the drainage is properly taken care
of before a permit is issued to Mr. Rich for additional apartments on County Road H2
between Silver Lake Road and Long Lake Road.
Mayor Neisen informed Gene Skiba from the Bulletin to make notification of the change
of date of the Planning Commission meetings. From now on they will meet on the fourth
Wednesday of the month, beginning with June 28, 1972. Mayor Neisen also suggested a
notice to be placed in the next newsletter.
Mr. Roy C. Doty of 1849 Spring View Lane appeared wishing to build a garage in front of
his house. Mr. Doty stated that he had first applied for a variance, then the Clerk
Administrator informed him it should be a Special Use Permit instead and would re-
quire Council approval. Mr. Doty said he had talked with several of the Planning
Commission members on June 7th when there had been a meeting with Mr. Harstad and
they seemed to go along with him. Mrs. Barbara Haake stated she was not aware of the
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Planning Commission acting on it. Mr. Glazer stated there udu room
discussion. Mayor Neisen stated they have been trying to set some order and if they
break the chain of command they would be doing the very thing they don't want to do.
Mayor Neisen said he would have to g3 before the Planning Commission on June 28th.
Mr. Doty stated he had been misinformed and he was sorry to have taker up the Councils
time.
2ouncilman Baumgartner stated he had attended thL Park Board meeting. Hillview Park
has been fenced and the hockey boards will be replaced.
Inspector Skiba's '?.>_port
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Councilman Pickar's Report
Councilman Pickar stated he had attended the Lakeside Park meeting. The beach is
now open and the life guards have been hired. The new supervisor is Ed Stankie.
Registration for swimming lessons is now open. Fees are $3.00 for individuals and
$5.00 for family. The next Lakeside Park meeting will be June 28th and at that time
he should have a report on the playground equipment.
Councilman Pickar remarked about. Dennis being gone and that he would be missing
part of July for the same reason. Mr. Pickar will be at Camp Ripley for the 17th year.
Inspector Skiba inquired about a house to be built on the corner of Woodcrest and
Brighton Lane. The owner wanted to face the house to Woodcrest instead of Brighton
Lane. Inspector Skiba was told to direct him to attend the Planning Commission
meeting.
Mayor Nelsen announced that the Industrial Commission would be meeting on Wednesday
evening.
Attorney Meyers Report
Attorney Meyers presented an ordinance establishing the Industrial Commission and
the Clerk's Office was directed to furnish copies to the Commission for their reviewal.
Attorney Meyers read a letter from the Metropolitan Council in regards to the
acquisition of the New Brighton trunk sewer line. The consequences of this
acquisition will be the uniform assessment against all municipalities in the seven
county metropolitan area.
Attorney Meyers brought to our attention that the Mounds View verses Moen case
would be coming up in Anoka on Thursday at 10:00 A.M. Moen is now suing the
Village of Mounds View.
Attorney Meyers stated that the Lewis Lines have been cleaning up their property
and straightening things out .somewhat. They have 11 buses there at the present time.
Attorney Meyers presented a stipulation concerning the Millie Schroeder property
to be signed by the Mayor and Clerk. Our right of ways have been protected.
MSP (Hodges /Johnson) To authorize the Mayor and Clerk to sign the stipulation. 5 Ayes
Engineer Boehm's Report
Engineer Boehm read the report he researched regarding land Ramsey County may want
in Mounds View for their Open Space Plan and presented a map showing the green areas.
Councilman Baumgartner asked how many homes would be involved in a strip located in
northern part of our village. Engineer Boehm replied, ten to twelve homes. He stated
this would be the answer to our dtaiuigt and park rrnhloms.
The Council decided to make a decision at the next meeting.
Engineer Boehm read a report from the Metropolitan Sewer Board stating they approved
the comprehensive plan for the collection, treatment and disposal of sewage for the
Village of Mounds View and that one of the requirements is that a local ordinance
should be enacted to prevent development of wet lands, marshes, and to control develop-
ment of lands abutting lakes and water coarses
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The Attorney will examine the material for the preparation of an ordinance for
public development of wet lands.
Engineer Boehm stated that three major tank errectors had been contacted in regards
to the upgrading of our water tower but these do mainly new tank construction. He
stated that one estimate had been received from Larson Tank Company for $1,485.00.
He would try to get one or two more estimates.
MSP (Baumgartner /Hodges) To adjourn at 11:13 P.M. 5 Ayes
Respectfully Submitted
Dorothy Sand' en
Utility Bil ing Clerk
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