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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - 1972/07/24'he Regular Meeting of the Mounds View Village Council was called to order by iyor Neisen at 8:00 P.M. on Monday, July 24, 1972 at the Village Hall, 2401 highway #10, St. Paul, Minnesota 55112. Present: Mayor Neisen Councilman Johnson Councilman Baumgartner Councilman Pickar Absent: Councilman Hodges PROCEEDINGS OF THE VILLAGE COUNCIL VILLAGE OF MOUNDS VIEW RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA July 24, 1972 Also Present: Ci„rk- Administrator Zylla Attorney Meyers Engineer Boehm MSP Pickar- Johnson) To approve the minutes of July 10, 1972. 4 Ayes Residents Requests and Comments from the Floor: Ronald Varnes inquired as to what action has been taken by the Council regarding his petition request for a semiphore on County H2 and Silver Lake Road. Clerk Zylla read from a copy of a letter sent to Ramsey County Commissioner Ed Salverda with a copy to William Chenoweth, Ramsey County Safety Director. He stated that Mr. Salverda informed him he has discussed the matter with the Ramsey County Engineer's Office and they will be furnishing a reply to the Clerk upon the completion of the study of the intersection. Mayor Neisen explained that upon recommendation of the Mounds View Police Department, he Council would be denying a request to have stop signs placed at the intersection of Woodale and Knollwood Drive. The Police Department felt that if -top signs could be placed on Silver Lake Road at County Road H2 the volume of traff. would be reduced on Knollwood and furthermore the stop signs at that intersection weuid create problems such as persons screeching their tires. Robert Glazer inquired whether the 72 hour holding period for impounded dogs could be changed in the present ordinance to exclude weekends. Mayor Neisen stated that it may exclude it already and the Clerk will consult the ordinance in order to clarify the matter. Mr. orge Aumer, 5420 Adams Street asked if a disposal site was located for dead trees and branches. The matter was tabled until Chief Fagerstrom would be available at the meeting. Mr. John Papers, 5360 Raymond made a statement that he felt allowing the dog catcher to enter premises in search of an unlicensed dog may be an infringement of certain constitutional rights. Mr. Leo Zacher, 7041 Pleasant View Drive presented a petition to reduce the speed limit on Pleasant View from 30 mph to 20 mph. The matter was referred to the Police Department. Clerk- Zylla's Report .P (Baumgartner- Johnson) To approve the following licenses: Asphalt Northern .sphalt Const. Inc., Metro Enterprises, Inc.; Cement Randal Holwell Const. Co.; General Contractor T. V. Construction, S.J. Construction, Inc., Boemer Building Systems, Inc.; Heating Custom Aire; Sewer Water Betts Sewer Water; Sign Billboard Naegele Outdoor Advertising. 4 Ayes (SP (Johnson Pickar) To approve the following bills: General checks #6283 consecutive s aru #6314 and Payroll checks #2822 thru 2852. Total disbursements $18,623.44 4 Ayes Clerk Zylla reported that the office checked into the Twin City Speedway hours of operation as requested at the last meeting. The City of Blaine has replied that they have nd record or ordinance on file governing speedway hours of operation. Clerk Zylla announced that he was seeking additional election judges and counters for the 1972 elections. He was particularly interested in receiving a response in the newly created 4th precinct. 2 MSP (Johnson Baumgartner) To accept the petition of Keith Harstad for sewer, water and street improvements in Red Oak Estates Plat #2. 4 Ayes Fire Chief Fagerstrom in attendance, reported that the City of Blaine does not desire to have Mounds View resident's dead or diseased trees brought into Blaine for burning. Cushman Miner, a large Mounds View property owner, also refused the use of his property. Mayor Neisen inquired as to whether the old Skiba farm, now Pinecrest Addition, could be used. Chief Fagerstrom and Inspector Skiba were to investigate. Mayor Neisen called a special hearing to order at 8:30 P.M. to consider a Village renumbering. Mayor Neisen introduced Stan Rydell of the St. Paul Post Office lepartment, Ron Fagerstrom, Fire Chief, and Tim Smith, Police Officer. Councilman Johnson stated that this hearing resulted after prior meetings with Police, Fire and Postal authorities. Mr. Rydell stated that he was here to sell the Village on a Metropolitan renumbering system. He felt that in general the Seven County Metropolitan area was delinquent in its numbering system. Dakota and Washington Counties are the only counties which have adopted the new Metropolitan system. He declared that most resentments for changing of addresses come from changing the street names and not the numbers. He impressed upon the audience of 35 persons how a change in numbering would assist emergency persons, delivery people and friends in finding their residence. Under the Metropolitan numbering system, each mile out from the Capitol would equal 1,000 numbers. Fire Chief Fagerstrom explained problems that were in existence as a result of the current system whereby 1/2 of the Village is a Minneapolis P.O. and the other 1/2 is a St. Paul P.O. He declared it to be a horrendous problem, especially in dealing with East -West numbers, Patrolman Smith reiterated the problems that Chief Fagerstrom mentioned regarding possible failures of emergency vehicles being able to locate residences and he agreed with Chief Fagerstrom that numbers should be made mandatory on all homes. Councilman Johnson said that in conversation with Mr. Ausse of the Post Office lepartment, he was assured that Mounds View could have its own zip code. However, r. Rydell stated that the possibility of a separate zip code was remote and should 3 be discussed with Mr. Sanborn of the Minneapolis Post Office. Councilman Johnson impressed upon the audience the fact that several central dispatch systems such as Unity Hospital were not familiar with the Mounds View area and would have difficulty i s k 'ocating addresses under our present system. He stated that residents would have to uy new numbers for their mail boxes and homes and postage for change of address cards, and there would be some slight inconvenience to friends and relatives and a slight delay in receiving mail after the change took place. Councilman Baumgartner asked if St. Paul Post Office assigned street names. Mr. Rydell said they did not but they would like to be consulted. As an indication of the problem, Mr. Rydell stated there were 17 Lake Streets in St. Paul and 7 St. Pauls on the North American continent. Councilman Baumgartner said he had discovered that drivers licenses do not have to be changed or fishing licensee with a change of address. Northwestern Bell has advised the office that all residents would stay in the Minneapolis directory. Mayor Neisen expressed surprise that more people were not in attendance since 3,200 newsletters were delivered advertising the hearing. Mrs. Claude Weatherly, 2210 Sherwood asked and received assurances that she would not be placed in the St. Paul phone directory. Robert Glazer asked if the acceptance of the Metropolitan system in the Seven County area won't be predicated by the approval of other Villages and cities. Mr. Rydell replied that they are presently seeking to convince St. Paul and'Stillwater on the new system. He replied that problems with the old numbering system are compounded w rapid population growth. Mr. Rydell also responded that junk mail would not 410 e forwarded if the addresses were changed. Mayor Neisen asked if any suburb had accepted the new plan. Mr. Rydell replied that all of Dakota and 837, of the population in Washington County are now on the Metropolitan system. Mayor Neisen also asked if the Post Office would go to the State Legislature to seek a change to the Metropolitan system. Mr. Rydell replied no, and the Post Office has no legal right to seek such a change through the legislature. Mr. Edmund Vol 7337 Spring Lake Road asked why the change would not be to Minneapolis instead of St. Paul. Councilman Johnson replied because we are a part of Ramsey County. Mr. Bernard Falck, 7111 Knollwood stated that most people associate with the Minneapolis trade area. He would like to see the street names uniform in reference to County Road H, where New Brighton and Mounds View streets intersect with different names. Mrs. Phyllis Blanchard, 8005 Groveland said St. Paul is not on the Metropolitan system. What happens if the focal point (the Capitol) changes. Mr. Lloyd Blanchard, 8005 Groveland asked how many duplicate numbers there were in Mounds View. The reply was two. He then asked how many homes were on the East West streets. Chief Fagerstrom replied in excess of 50. Mr. Blanchard then replied why not change the East -West streets since the Mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul 411 )uld never agree to a Metropolitan system. He stated any change to a Metropolitan 'stem would have to come from the Metropolitan Council. Councilman Pickax asked if there was a change to one zip code, whether Minneapolis or St. Paul carriers would have to give up servicing their present areas and how many persons would be involved. Clerk Zylla stated that there were less than 100 ingle family homes difference between the St. Paul and Minneapolis delivery areas. Mrs. Ole Bacon, 2265 Highway #10 stated that with 2260 Highway #10 about 1/2 mile down the highway in the St. Paul zone, it was confusing for delivery men trying to locate her residence in the Minneapolis zone. Mr. Thomsen, 7425 Pleasant View Drive asked if there was ever a referendum to decide a postal zone question. Mr. Rydell replied that the Post Office has done this in the past. Mr. Thomsen doesn't want his zip code changed. Mrs. Thomsen, 7425 Pleasant View Drive stated the place to start changes was in Minneapolis and St. Paul. She added that only the house numbers causing problems should be renumbered. 4 Mr. James Nerdahl, 7946 Edgewood stated that the main problem dealt with emergency vehicles. He Melt that just the East -West streets should be renumbered and it should be put to a referendum. Mr. Clyde Merilatt, 7225 Knollwood declared that he does most of his business in Minneapolis and he felt there would be a delay in receiving mail in Minneapolis if there was a change to a 55112 zip code. Mrs. Carol Baumgartner asked the audience if there was any reason they were objecting besides the fact that a few letters may be temporarily delayed and phone calls may have to be made. r. Robert Glazer stated that there has been unprecedented growth in this area and the possibility of change has been enhanced by this growth. There is no assurance from the Metropolitan Council that another change would not have to take place. He asked the Council to work within the postal system they have now. Mr. George Gustafson, 8391 Spring Lake Road stated that there was no point in changing all of the numbers for the time being. Correct the problems and change the East -West streets. He said the St. Paul numbering system was a bad example of a good system. Councilman Johnson asked the residents if their chief concern was that the change may not be the only change. He wondered whether anyone was really considering the primary problem which was whether a person could be easily located within the present system. He asked whether the possible loss of someone's life was worth not changing to a uniform system. Mayor Neisen called for a show of hands on the following questions: to adopt the Metropolitan system, (8); to only change East -West streets, (12); not to do anything, (6). Patrolman Smith stated that North -South street numbers can be figured out, but they are still confusing. Mr. George Gustafson stated that if there was going to be a change to a uniform system, the current St. Paul numbers be changed to conform to the Minneapolis numbers. 5 Councilman Baumgartner stated that he would like Mr. Gustafson's suggestion given consideration. Mayor Neisen replied that either the entire Village should be changed, including the North -South streets or just the East -West streets should e changed. Councilman Picker asked if Mr. Sanborn shouldn't be contacted on the possibility of obtaining a separate zip code for Mounds View. Mayor Neisen closed the hearing to the public at 10:31 P.M. Councilman Picker again reiterated that the question of a separate zip code should be resolved. Councilman Baumgartner declared that he would approve of a uniform numbering using the Capitol as the base point. Councilman Johnson said he was in favor of a total Village renumbering. Mayor Neisen stated there was a major fault in the current system. Be goes along with leaving zip codes, but favors only changing the East -West streets. He felt that any number change should conform to the Ramsey County system. MSP (Johnson Baumgartner) To have a complete renumbering of all streets without disturbing current zip codes and that the renumbering system adopted be drawn up by the Council and three citizen representatives which would be prepared in the best interest of the residents of Mounds View. Attorney Meyers informed the Council that after the preparation of the committee report, the Council would ultimately be faced with an ordinance to renumber. MSP Pickar- Johnson) To close the hearing at 10:44 P.M. Councilman Johnson's Report 3 Ayes Mayor Nelsen Naye :he following persons were appointed to serve on the committee as citizen represen- tatives: Nom. Dennis Czech, 5214 Skiba Drive; Mr. Clyde Merilatt, 7225 Knollwood; and Mrs. Ole Bacon, 2265 Highway #10. 4 Ayes MSP (Johnson Pickar) To order the installation of a street light at the corner of Arden Avenue and Sunnyside Road. 4 Ayes Councilman Johnson warned the residents to drive carefully in the Village since several streets are presently being sealcoated. The Council discussed a street breakup West of the intersection of Long Lake Road and Ridge Lane. Engineer Boehm stated that the defect was caused by a poor sub -base under the base and the contractor was not at fault. Mayor Neisen thought that there was faulty workmanship when the road bed was laid and the contractor's trucks contributed to the breakup. 6 Councilman Johnson asked the Clerk's office to inquire as to the large number of milk vending machines in the Launching Pad parking lot. ouncilman Baumgartner's Report Councilman Baumgartner reported on the July 19, 1972 Recreation Committee meeting. The main item of business was the drafting of an ordinance creating a Park Commission. He said the next committee meeting would be August 2, 1972. MSP (Baumgartner- Johnson) To order the installation of a night light on the power pole in the walkway easement behind 2702 Greenfield Place and 7947 Greenfield Avenue. Councilman Baumgartner read a letter from Mr. Ken Simons of the Ramsey County Open Space System informing the Council that the engineering report on possible open space areas in Mounds View had been referred to the Ramsey County Parks and Open Space Commission. Attorney Meyers' Report Attorney Meyers reported that he had attended the Rice Creek Watershed hearing on July 19, 1972 in which their rules and regulations were adopted. He noted that several regulations could have a far reaching effect on the municipality. Engineer Boehm's Report MSP (Baumgartner Pickar) To award the bid for additions to Mounds View water tower #1 in conformance with State safety rules and regulations to Larson Tank 'ompany for $1,485.00. An additional bid was received from Brown Enterprises for a cost of $1,585.00, MSP (Baumgartner- Johnson) To receive the preliminary report for Project 1972 -3 for sewer, water and street extensions in the Mounds View Industrial Park. 4 Ayes MSP (Pickar- Baumgartner) To receive the final plans for Project 1972 -3. 4 Ayes MSP (Johnson Pickar) To order Project 1972 -3 including the preparation of final plans and specifications for Red Oak Estates Plat #2 and to advertise for bids on August 28, 1972 at 12:00 noon to include Red Oak Estates Plat #2. 4 Ayes Mayor Neisen gave a letter from William Warner requesting an adjustment for his mailbox repair to Clerk Zylla and instructed him to forward it to Ramsey County. MSP (Johnson Baumgartner) To adjourn at 11:34 P.M. 4 Ayes R4spectfully Submitted, .4 Dennis S. tYlla, Clerk- Administrator 4 Ayes 4 Ayes