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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes - 1976/09/27A regular meeting of the Mounds View City Council was called to order by Mayor Pickar on September 27, 1976 at 8:00 p.m., at Mounds View City Hall, 2401 Highway #10, Mounds View, MN 55112. Present: Mayor Pickar Councilmember Hodges Councilmember Baumgartner Councilmember Rowley Councilmember Shelquist MSP (Pickar- Rowley) to appoint Carla Wirth as Deputy Clerk for this meeting due to the absence of Administrator Achen. 5 ayes MSP (Hodges- Baumgartner) to approve the minutes of September 13, 1976 as corrected. Councilmember Shelquist abstained because he was absent from this meeting. MSP (Rowley Hodges) to approve the minutes of September 20, 1976 as presented. Councilmembers Shelquist and Baumgartner abstained from voting because they were absent from this meeting. CITIZENS COMMENTS AND REQUESTS PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA Also present: Attorney Meyers Engineer Hubbard Mike Herat, 8180 Eastwood Drive, stated that he would like the City to run the dog control differently. Instead of picking up anybody's dog, just pick up the trouble dogs. If the City receives a complaint they should only check out the problem 2rea. Mayor Pickar stated that the City often gets some general complaints. It is hard to pin down which dogs are from the neighborhood and which dogs are running around. Mayor Pickar stated that there is a leash law. Mr. Herst stated that there are very few complaints in his area and the problem is with dogs from a few blocks away. He does not believe in the leash law because dogs are suppose to protect the owners property. Councilmember Shelquist questioned what should be done with the dogs? Mr. Herat stated that people should shoot dogs that run around and he would not care if somebody kicked his dog to get him off their property. Council= member Baumgartner stated that instead of shooting the dog, the owner be talked to because they are responsible for their dog. Mayor Pickar stated that if Mr. Herst could find enough people that feel the same as he does a hearing on the leash law could be held. Mrs. Walter Kraseman, 4050 Glenhaven Lane, presented the Council with a petition against the mobile home tiedowns. k Mike Lauterbach, 8193 Eastwood Drive, stated he objected to the dog ordinance too because of the vandalism going on. The community 4 ayes 1 abstain 3 ayes 2 abstain September 27, 1976 Page 2 would be better served if they use the money for police protection. He asked why there is not also an ordinance on cats? Councilmember Hodges stated that most of the complaints were on dogs. Mr. Lauterback suggested that the money now being used for dog control be devoted to the Police Department for more resources. Mayor Pickar stated the Mounds View Police Department has been ranked among the highest and the City can't pay a police officer's wages for this type of animal control so the City got an animal abatement officer at a lower wage. Mr. Lauterback stated he felt the money would be better spent to have the Police Department get more equipment. Mayor Pickar explained that the City received a lot of complaints about running dogs so they contracted for this service. Councilmember Shelquist stated that the City must provide services for all of the citizens. Councilmember Baumgartner suggested that the Council consider a cat ordinance. Mr. Lauterback suggested they at least be required to have rabies shots. At 8:20 p.m. Mayor Pickar recessed the regular council meeting and called to order the public hearing on Drainage Improvement Project 1975 -4 and 1975 -4A. Mr. Thomas J. Stearns, attorney from Nilva and Frisch, filed, in writing, Paster Enterprises objections to the assessment. Engineer Hubbard reviewed the procedure used in assessing the project. The cost of these projects are broken down as follows: Engineering fees $9,264.i9; Legal f $2,655.00; Construction costs $18,375.53; Advertising costs $111.01; 2% Assessing fee $608.11. The total assessment is $31,013.84. The total cost was divided by the actual square footage of the benefited property. The square footage is 427,760. The unit cost is $0.072503 per square foot. Attorney Meyers stated that this matter is controlled by Minnesota State Statutes. He explained that it is the duty of the Council to consider the assessment as prepared by the staff. The clerk's office has published the notice on this assessment in the legal paper and a notice was also sent to the property owner. The Council must hear all objections to the proposed assessment and then amend the proposed assessment, approve the assessment as presented or cancel the assessment. The assessment hearing may be continued from time to time but adequate notice should be given to the property owners. The propert owners have 30 days in which to pay the assessment interest free, so if it is adopted tonight they will have until October 27, 1976. Council must decide on the number of years for this assessment. Councilmember Hodges stated that for the safety of the citizens, the assessment roll should be adopted. We can't measure the value of a person's life on a few dollars. Councilmember Hodges stated that he realizes it is quite a chunk of money but it is hard to sit in judgement. Councilmember Hodges stated that he felt the assessment roll must be adopted. Councilmember Baumgartner stated he agreed and he can recall the evenings the Council spent listening to all the reports. He felt the assessment roll must be adopted and this is the only property which would be benefited. Councilmember Rowley had no comment since she was not a member of the Council at that time. Councilmember Shelquist stated he felt we have amply demonstrated over a period of two years with the late meetings and pictures of the problem, that there was not adequate drainage provided at Mounds View Square when it was constructed. This will remedy the situation. September 27, 1976 Page 3 At 8:33 p.m. Mayor Pickar closed the public hearing and called to order the regular council meeting. Attorney Meyers reviewed a proposed resolution which would assess the project. The Council will have to decide on the number of years this assessment should run. MS (Pickar Shelquist) to adopt Resolution No. 763 as reviewed by the Attorney. Councilmember Shelquist stated the resolution would have to be amended to include the number of years. Councilmember Hodges stated he would go along with the recommendation of five years. Councilmember Baumgartner agreed. Councilmember Rowley stated she would go with the staff recommendation of five years. Councilmember Shelquist stated the Council discussed making this a one year assessment, but at that time it was a much lower priced prnject. Because of numerous starts and stops due to lack of cooperation on the part of the owners of Mounds View Square the project cost escalated up to $31,000 so he felt it is reasonable to spread the assessment over more years. He will agree with 5 years. MS (Shelquist- Hodges) to amend the motion to include in the resolution that the assessment run for five years. Mayor Pickar stated he would go along with this. Vote on the amendment Vote on the main motion as amended Engineer Hubbard stated that Mr. and Mrs. Lestina were in the audience and explained to the Council that there will be a public hearing on the size of accessory buildings later tonight so perhaps the hearings on the Lestina and Pederson requests be delayed until after a decision is made on tonights' hearing. The Lestina and Pederson requests are for a special use permit on an oversized accessory building. Mr. Pederson stated that he does not want to spend any more money on this request. Councilmember Baumgartner suggested the City notify him by letter of their action since it probably won't be discussed until 11:00 p.m. 5 ayes 5 ayes MSP Pickar- Baumgartner) to temporarily table the public hearing of Mr. Lestina and Mr. Pederson for a special use permit. 5 ayes APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA Councilmember Rowley asked that Items H and I he removed from the consent agenda. MSP (Shelquist- Baumgartner) to approve the following consent agenda items: 5 ayes ITEM A. Set Tuesday, October 12, 1976, 8:00 p.m. as the first regular Council meetinK in October, because the second Monday is a legal holiday. Reschedule all October 11 public hearings to October 12, 1976, at the same hour. September 27, 1976 Page 4 ITEM B. Adopt the following job description of community service officer: Duties: Under supervision of police department enforce city codes regulating to nuisances and animal control. Assist department in its public relations activities. Requires thorough knowledge of applicable city codes, patrol city streets and parks in mobile van, issue ordinance violation notices, capture and handle animals, prepare regular reports of activity. Qualifications: Valid driver's license, interpersonal communication skills, familiarity with animals. ITEM C. Adopt the following job description of engineering aide: Duties: Updating City street and house numbering maps, develop and keep up easement map, develop and keep up as -built base map, assist City Engineer in collecting field data, drawing of plans for various con- struction projects, reading of observation wells. Qualifications: Minimum high school senior with course work or related experience in drafting and geometry. ITEM D. Appoint William Jensen engineering aide effective October 4, 1976, to be paid $2.50 per hour. This position shall be funded by the Revenue Sharing Fund. ITEM E. Adopt Resolutions No. 757 through 761 reapportioning assessments on subdivided property (Robert W. Bruflodt, minor subdivision; Chapman 2nd Addition; Marlan J. Arndt, minor subdivision; Robert R. Andrus, minor subdivision; Maurice Shankey, minor subdivision). ITEM F. Appoint the fall recreation personnel to be paid as indicated. Carl Flood Recreation Instructor IV $10.00 /hour Sue Vales Recreation Instructor IV $10.00 /hour Teri Nelsen Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Alan Marquardt Recreation Instructor III $7.50 /hour Diane Taylor Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Doris Marshall Studios Recreation Instructor IV $10.00 /hour Ed Hoff Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Dan Richey Recreation Instructor III $7.50 /hour Kathy Bertram Recreation Instructor IV $10.00 /hour Toya Farrar Recreation Instructor III $7.50 /hour Kathy Petersen Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Anna Konstance Recreation Instroctor IV $10.00 /hour Becky Peters Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Gary Marquardt Recreation Aide $2.60 /hour September 27, 1976 Page 5 ITEM F. (Cont.) Lorrie Hillsdale Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour Carolyn McKinnon Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour Carol Hanson Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour Mark Wright Recreation Attendant II $2.30 /hour Paul Christenson Recreation Attendant II $2.30 /hour ITEM J. Approve the followig. licenses: Residential Kennel renewal Connie Davis Bissonnette 8312 Red Oak Drive Minneapolis, MN 55432 General renewal Westphal Construction Company 22728 Jarvis N.W. Elk River, MN 55330 Dahlmeier Construction Co. 8460 Cottagewood Terrace Minneapolis, MN 55432 Geo. W. Lovegrea Y Bons 5900 Wisconsin Circle Minneapolis, MN 55428 Art Goebel Ford Barnett Chrysler Jon Brandt Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour Al Marquardt Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour Maggie Doenges Recreation Instructor II $6.00 /hour Arden Wahlberg Recreation Instructor III $7.50 /hour Sarah Rynders Recreation Instructor I $4.00 /hour ITEM G. Adopt Resolution No. 762 establishing a separate Forestry Fund in nnmp i an th state a te° nrding shade d< �c state v �e^ v tree ula GV[LLLVL. Commercial Kennel renewal Sham -O -Jet Kennel Frank J. Veno 7700 Long Lake Road Minneapolis, MN 55432 General new Gopher Glass 6400 Penn Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55432 Tom Hansen Construction 8715 West River Road Minneapolis, MN 55444 Sewer Water new D. C. General Builders 9919 206th Street Forest Lake, MN 55025 ITEM K. Aarove the September 27 1976 bills for payment. ITEM L. Receive bids for a marked police squad car and award the sale to the lowest bidder as recommended by the Chief of police below: Fullsize car $5212.00 Intermediate car 4797.00 Fullsize car 5057.00 Intermediate car 4992.UU The Police Department recommends that we purchase the intermediate size ITEM I. was then discussed. MSP (Rowley- Hodges) to remove Dorothy Martell from Precinct 41 and replace her with Claire Robb and also to put Edith Johnson in as alternate. PCT. #1 NAME Chair Marilyn Benolkin Judge Ethel Lewis Karen Artis it Karen Rauscher Betty Skelly Lucille Anderson June Schleiss Isabelle Wille Claire Robb Lea Burggraff Counter Noel Samuelson Alternate Georgianna Harris Ruth Prose Edith Johnson PCT.#2 Chair Doris Welty Judge Judy Dreshar Dorothy Winters It Ruth Cox Shirley Sinderson Mary Schroeder Caroline Buhr LaDelle Mackeben Geraldine Erickson Darlene Rolfer Counter Mary Linda Diekmann Helen Edwards Marvalyn Koenker Janet Strauss Marilyn Brick Rose Kelner n II n n September 27, 1976 Page 6 car from Art Goebel Ford which is $195 cheaper than the plymouth bid. In the past we have had less maintenance problems with Fords than we've had with Chrysler products. The intermediate Ford has a Torino body and is smaller than the Custom design, also it would give better gas mileage. I have checked with other Police Departments and find that many of them are going to intermediate size vehicles. -Chief Grabowski ITEM :H. was then discussed. Engineer Hubbard explained that Diane Bona had accepted the position of clerk typist but then called and said she was not going to take the job. Marlys Overson will accept the job. MSP (Shelquist- Hodges) to accept the resignation of Vicki Ash and to appoint Marlys Cverson clerk typist effective September 28, 1976, to be paid $3.00 per hour. This position shall be funded 75% by the 1975 Community Development Block Grant. General Fund monies shall fund the balance of this position. ADDRESS 7781 Groveland 55432 7880 Spring Lake Rd. 55432 7546 Knollwood Dr. 55432 7550 Knoolwood Dr. 55432 7095 Knollwood Dr. 55432 3033 Benson Dr. 55432 7786 Groveland Rd. 55432 7911 Spring Lk. Rd. 55432 7580 Knollwood Dr. 55432 2932 Springview Ln. 55432 7765 Spring Lk. Rd. 55432 2629 Clearview Ave. 55112 5079 Greenwood 55112 7594 Groveland Rd. 55432 7841 Eastwood Rd. 55432 2508 Hillview Rd. 55432 7831 Sunnyside Rd. 55432 7863 Sunnyside Rd. 55432 8026 Fairchild Ave. 55432 8051 Eastwood Rd. 55432 7989 Eastwood Rd. 55432 8011 Sunnyside Road 55432 7855 Greenwood 55432 7945 Long Lk. Rd. 55432 7854 Eastwood Rd. 55432 2632 Ardan Ave. 55432 2317 Hillview Rd. 55112 7830 Eastwood Rd. 55432 8280 Sunnyside Rd. 55432 8036 Fairchild Ave. N. 55432 PARTY D D D D D R R R R R R D D D R D D D R R R R D D D D D R R D 5 ayes 5 ayes PCT.1f3 NAME Chair Jan Mortenson Judge Anne Bendt It Betty Piehowski Ruby Gerner John Larson Catherine Budak Helen Saari Rose Nejedly Veronica Hathaway Michele Lietz Counter Isabel Schumacher Alternate Helen Larson Mrs. William Christison Laura Larson Walter Kraseman Bev Raea Virginia Petro Mardell Olchefske PCT. #4 Chair Cathy Westling Judge Pauline Foster Agnes Amdahl Donna Bowman Rita Zepper Pauline Stauner Kathy Gobats Counter Mary Jane Czech Alternate Allen Zepper Janet Anderson n '1 1, TV tl September 27, 1976 Page 7 ADDRESS 2175 Bronson Dr. 55112 5392 Quincy St. 55112 2259 Pinewood Dr. 55112 2103 Pinewood Dr. 55112 4063 Glenhaven Ln. 55112 5364 Raymond Ave. 55112 7666 Woodlawn Drive 55432 2194 5415 2138 2200 4063 2085 1046 4050 '1.93 2133 2085 Bronson Dr. 55112 Adams St. 55112 Hillview Rd. 55112 Lambert Ave. 55112 Glenhaven Ln. 55112 Terrace Dr. 55112 Montclair 55112 Glenhaven 55112 Lambert 55112 Terrace Dr. 55112 Pinewood Dr. 55112 2523 Woodcrest Drive 55112 2516 Ridge Ln. 55112 2265 Cheshire Circle 55112 2132 Dickens Ln. 55112 5255 Irondale 55112 2454 Co. Rd. H -2 55112 5255 Skiba Dr. 55112 5124 Skiba Dr. 55112 5255 Irondale 55112 5159 Edgewood 55112 PARTY D D D R R R R D D R R R R D D D D D D D D K R R R D D R 1977 CITY OPERATING BUDGET Mayor Pickar stated that a few minor changes were made on the final City budget. MSP Pickar- Shelquist) for the adoption of Resolution No. 764 which adopts the 1977 City Operating Budget. 5 ayes Councilmember Baumgartner stated that he wants to commend the staff and Administrator Achen for the procedures the staff went through to come up with the 1977 budget. Many hours were involved in this. When the budget was presented to the Council it was very precise. Mayor Pickar stated he would like to add that there were no 40 hour weeks in preparing the City budget. MSP (Hodges Rowley) to adopt Resolution 765 Certifying the 1977 General and Forestry Funds Property Tax Levies. MSP (Rowley- Hodges) to adopt Resolution 766 Certifying the Bonds and Interest Collectible in 1977. 5 ayes 5 ayes MSP Shelquist- Hodges) to adopt Resolution 767 Authorizing Issuance of Equipment Debt Certificate. 5 ayes September 27, 1976 Page 8 BAUER WELDING METAL FABRICATORS, INC., INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MOUNDS VIEW INDUSTRIAL PARK. Ken Benson, representing Bauer Welding Metal Fabricators, Inc., stated the proposed building is 44,200 square feet and located on an 8.1 acre site abutting Mustang Road. The requirements from t:_ Planning Commission, Rice Creek Water Shed and the Minnesota Polution Control Agency have been met. Be then reviewed this project with the Council. The Rice Creek Water Shed District has requested that a holding pond, which will run into Rice Creek be put along the north portion of the property. This will be pro- vided. A gate will be provided in the fence on the north side for access of emergency vehicles. Both the building inspector and the engineer have reviewed the plans. The estimated construction cost is $465,000. Mayor Pickar stated that everything seems to be in order and it is very refreshing that everything has been complied with. Councilmember Shelquist asked which alternate from the Rice Creek Water Shed District they would use, the ponding which would sink into the ground with a skimmer for the debris, or the skimmer with no ponding? Mr. Benson stated they .vit with the settling into the ground. Councilmember Baumgartner questioned the lighting plan. Mr. Benson stated there would be high pressure sodium lights located on the surface portion of the 1,7141Aing. Nothin is being p12nned for the rear of the building at this time. The building is 480 feet from the property line of the trailer court. Councilmember Baumgartner questioned the easement for access to the water tower. Mr. Benson stated there is an easement on the Smith Transit property that goes directly back to the water tower. Mr. Benson then reviewed the landscaping plan. Mayor Pickar stated that if this matter is approved the developer would have to enter into a development contract and post the required bonds. Mr. Benson stated he had some questions about the development contract, such as the wording "public property" and "Public improvement Attorney Meyers stated that this would only apply if they requested certain public improvements on the property. Mr. Benson also questioned the required bonding. Steve Rose, the Building Inspector, stated that on a project of $465,000 the bond would be $45,000 or something equivalent to that. Mr. Benson stated that this seems high. Donald Bauer, the owner, stared he would like to start as soon as possible and asked who would act as referee if they ran into a disagreement on the contract. Mayor Pickar stated that the project could be approved on the contingency that the development contract be completed. Mr. Rose stated that the staff has not had the time to finally approve the plans and suggested that if this is approved, the approval be subject to staff approval of the plans. MS Pickar- Shelquist) to adopt Resolution No. 768 which approves the building permit for Ron Bauer conditional upon entering into a development contract which is satisfactory to both parties, posting of the required bonds as stated by the development contract, issuance of a contractor's license as required by the City, and subject to staff approval of the building ,-Ilan. September 27, 1976 Page 9 Councilmember Shelquist suggested that since Mr. Bauer has not gone over the development contract, and keeping in mind his desire to get started in a hurry, this matter be tabled until later tonight so he can look it over. MSP (Shelquist- Baumgartner) to table this matter until later in the evening when Mr. Bauer has had a chance to look at the development contract. 5 ayes STEVE'S APPLIANCES PROPOSED ADDITION TO COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, 2841 HIGHWAY #10. MS (Shelquist- Baumgartner) that this matter be sent to the Planning Commission since it has only been presented to them orally and as a non- fee item. Councilmember Shelquist explained that at the September 8 Planning Commission meeting, the applicant came in with plans without application being taken out, for review by the Commission. The Commission referred them to the staff. The request on September 8 was to get approval for an addition, which was not possible. Also, the matter was not presented to the Planning Commission on eptember 22 as it should have been so there is no recommenda- tion from the Planning Commission. Bruce Dahlmeier, of Dahlmeier Construction, stated that they were routed by the staff to this council meeting. Mr, Rose explained that this matter come before the Planning Commission and then the applicants came to him about a week later with plans. The applicants stated they had been before the Planning Commission and the next step was the Council's approval. In checking the minutes Mr. Rose had nothing to go on. Administrator Achen suggested that since they were in a hurry, it be placed on the Council agenda. Steve Singer, the applicant, stated that he would have been at the September 22 meeting if he had known about it. Councilmember Shelquist stated that the Planning Commission took no action because it was not on the agenda and there was no fee. Councilmember Hodges stated that this does not seem like that big of a problem, but our procedure is to go through the Planning Commission and this matter should go to them first. Councilmember Baumgartner stated that he did not understand what the Planning Commission had to do with this if it is called a "simple budding expansion Councilmember Shelquist stated there needs to be a variance on the number of parking spaces and the Council has given away the right to grant a variance. Only the Planning Commission can grant a variance. Councilmember Rowley stated she strongly feels the City has to have people follow the procedures item by item and therefore should go before the Planning Commission. She stated she sympathizes with the developers because of the weather problem but this should have started with the Planning Commission. Attorney Meyers stated that only the Planning Commission can handle a variance and the development contract has not even been started at this September 27, 1976 Page 10 time. It does not seem that everything has been agreen upon, such as the additional parking spaces. Mr. Dahlmeier stated they would like a variance on the number of parking spaces. Mayor Pickar stated that if everything appeared completely in order, it could be a council decision, but requiring a variance is different. Councilmember Baumgartner stated there is a communications gap somewhere which should be corrected. Councilmember Shelquist stated he felt it was on the part of the staff. 5 ayes Attorney Meyers stated that Mr. Singer must now apply for a variance so they can be heard by the Planning Commission. Mr. Rose explained that this matter came before the Council because the Planning Commission did not recommend it back to themselves. Councilmember Shelquist stated that they didn't recommend it back because they assumed it would be brought back. ROLAND MILLER PROPOSED INDOOR TENNIS COURT DEVELOPMENT 2828 HIGHWAY #10. Councilmember Shelquist explained that this matter came up last fall or spring and a building permit was approved. No further action has been taken so about a month ago the administrator suggested we contact Mr. Miller. The Administrator sent 1Ptt.,-R and got no response. The Administrator then suggested the Council take action to rescind the special use permit. MS (Hodges Shelquist) to rescind the conditional special use permit for Roland Miller's proposed indoor tennis court development. Councilmember Baumgartner asked if this would be rescinded as of now? Councilmember Hodges stated yes. Engineer Hubbard explained that a registered letter dated August 26 was sent and received by Mr. Miller. Attorney Meyers stated one of the problems is that some people were calling and wondering where the money was that they spent on memberships. 5 ayes ORDINANCE NO. 253 AMENDING CHAPTER 43 ENTITLED MOBILE HOMES. Attorney Meyers reviewed the proposed amendment which was prepared by the Administrator. Mayor Pickar stated that earlier this evening the Council was presented with a petition of 20 signatures objecting to these pro- posed tiedovas. Mark Haggerty stated that he is representing the three mobile homes in Mounds View. He asked if this was in the final stages of adoption? Attorney Meyers stated that it is prepared as a proposal and is not in ordinance forma. This matter could be tabled or continued. Mr. Haggerty stated that there were several provisions they were concerned about, but do not object to the intent of the Council. One of the major concerns is that at this time the State is about to implement their own section of codes and requirements so there may be some conflicts, especially as to cost distribution. He has not seen anywhere else where the costs are appropriated between the mobile home owner and the park owner. The mobile park owner would not have an increase in value, but if the mobile home owner installed his own ground support system he would have an increase in September 27, 1976 Page 11 his home of 1007.. If someone else does the work it would be about a 60% increase. Also, the park owner does not receive a decrease in insurance costs but the home owner would have this savings so the home owner would benefit. Another point is that if the anchoring system is installed, the anchors would have to be repositioned in 90% of the cases for another trailer. There is no set position for the location of the trailer straps. If the park owner has somebody come in to install the system, he will have to redo this again and again. Mr. Haggerty stated they felt the cost should be bore by the home owner, not the park owner. There is also a liability problem. If the park owner installs the anchoring system and it does not hold, he will be involved in a law suit. The proposal states "after October 31." Once the frost is in the ground how will this be enforced? Mr. Haggerty suggested that this be amended to allow the home owner or park owner a period of time after the frost has left the ground to meet this requirement. On the building permit fee, the State has a provision for inspection and the} will come out to inspect. Perhaps the cost of the permit could at least be reduced. A lot of people in mobile homes can not afford normal homes and to install a complete ground anchoring system at a cost of $600 plus the building permit, they would probably have to borrow money. Some finance companies would charge a 33% interest rate. Mr. Haggerty suggested that the Council wait until the State works on this in November since the storm season will be later. Also, the tie downs may develop a false sence of security because they will not withstand a tornado. At the November 2 meeting the State hopes to implement uniform regulations ioi the State. Mayor Picker questioned standards which are already set up by the State. Mr. Haggerty stated that they have set up some requirements with the stress they must meet and different types of soil but the engineering aspects have not been completely proven. Mr. Haggerty suggested leaving this up to the home owners. People moving into the park can plan on something then because they will know that Mounds View requires anchors. The people living here now have a set budget and to come up with $600 they would probably have to borrow at a very high interest rate. Mr. Haggerty stated that they do not object to the inspec- tion because the Council may need this to maintain quality. He informed the Council that Arden Hills, Coon Rapids and Maplewood require tie downs. Councilmember Shelquist questioned insurance companies feelings on this. Mr. Haggerty stated it was indicated to him that some insurance companies refuse to issue policies to homes that are not tied down. Councilmember Shelquist asked if this was true, wouldn't it close down the mobile home parks? Mr. Haggerty stated that until the engineering aspects are perfected, he did not think the Commissioner of Insurance would allow this to happen. Councilmember Hodges stated he talked with an insurance representative and his company will have a 10% discount if the trailer is tied down and add 10% if there are no tie downs. Mr. Hemmes, 20454 Central Avenue, Blaine, stated he is the General Manager for the parks owned by Mr. Togerg. He stated that there are about 10 trailers moved per month in Blaine Manor and about four or five per month at Towns Edge. Also, the manufacturer will not maintain their warranty if their recommendations for tie downs and blocks are not followed. September 27, 1976 Page 12 Councilmember Hodges stated that June and May are the worst times for storms. He feels the cost should be bore by the home owner and not the park owner. He would not mind tabling this to get more information. Councilmember Baumgartner stated we should definitely table this. He felt Mr. Haggerty brought up some interesting points, like the November 2 meeting and he would like to see what comes out of their meeting. Also, since we are not in the storm season now we could table this until the State acts on it. Councilmember Baumgartner stated he would certainly consider Mr. Haggerty's comments. Councilmember Rowley stated she felt the Council should table this. Mr. Haggerty has some very good points. There were some residents from mobile homes that also had some very good points and she would like to go back and look at some of those arguments. Councilmember Rowley suggested that this be tabled until after the November 2 meeting and the Council has a chance to look at their recommendations. Joe Casseopee from Grand Rapids Minnesota stated he represents one of the tie down manufacturers from Stacy Minnesota. Many States have enacted laws putting the burden on the home owner, which his company agrees with. The cost could get up to $600 if everything was wrong with the home, but realis- tically the cost would be $250 to $300 installed. Ideally, the time to put in the ground support system is when the home is bought and can be added into the total cost package. The engineering tests of the tie downs in different types of soil is approved by engineering firms. State Farm Insurance Company has done extensive tests to prove that tie downs work. If you ask the home owner if they would like tie downs during a storm, they would probably want them. He felt it would be important for the Council to take on the responsibility of informing the mobile home ownera,through a seminar with representatives from the State and insurance companies, as to what tie downs will and will not do. As of November 1974 all homes coming into the State or manufactured in the State must have an intricate system of tie downs but you will find that not more than 25% of these homes actually tied down by the owners. Mayor Pickar questioned the cost involved. Mr. Casseopee stated that if the trailer already has the straps, the cost would be from $200 to $250, if the home had no straps about $400 and the cost could get up to $600 with a poor blocking system. Councilmember Shelquist asked what type of tie down system he represented. Mr. Casseopee stated they distribute many types of Lie downs. The majority of the tie downs are the screw -auger type that can go into the ground and the owner can take them out. Councilmember Shelquist questioned the effectiveness of this type. Mr. Casseopee stated there is an average of 17 tornadoes which go through the State per year and tie downs will not protect against a direct tornado but on each side of the tornado there are strong winds. The total cost for the tie down system is about one third for the straps, one third for the tie downs and one third for the installation. Councilmember Shelquist stated the Council spent many hours because of the last storm and a lot of City expenditures to rectify damage from the storm. There also was a threat of a law suit from the Health Department to clean it up. Councilmember Shelquist stated he did not want to see this thing September 27, 1976 Page 13 dropped completely and consequently loose the momentum by waiting for more information. He suggested this be tabled until the first meeting in November. If this goes too far into the fall we lose the capability of installing them. Mayor Pickar stated the Council probably has more questions now than after the first meeting concerning tie downs. MSP (Pickar Shelquist) that this matter of amending Chapter 43 of Ordinance No. 253 entitled Mobile Homes be placed on the November 8 council agenda Councilmember Baumgartner stated that the State will probably not have their recommendations available by the November 8 meeting. It may go on until January or March. Mayor Pickar stated that setting this item for November 8 does not mean it will be settled but we should have more information on it. Attorney Meyers suggested that someone from the State be invited to this meeting. 5 ayes The meeting was then recessed for ten minutes and reconvened at 11:20 p.m. REVIEW CHAPTER 40.03 SUBDIVISION 4 (4)_ENTITLED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. Mayor Pickar stated that at the last Council meeting when this was discussed it was sent back to the Planning Commission to find out their feelings. Four of the Commissioners want it to stay with the 145 square feet, two want 216 square feet and two want to delete the special use provision and make it a variance. It does not appear that the majority want it changed. Councilmember Hodges stated he would like to see the buildings larger so that boats and such could be inside, but since there were four Commissioners that wanted to leave it at 145 sq. ft. he would go along with leaving the ordinance as is and discussing each case. Councilmember Baumgartner stated that 145 sq. ft. is about 12'x12' and if you drive around you will see boats and other equipment sitting outside. He feels the Council should increase the size to 216 square feet and have anything over 216 sq. ft. require a special use permit. Councilmember Rowley stated that a 12'x12' building is too small and would favor the 216 square foot building which would be 12'x18'. A special use permit should be required for anything larger. Councilmember Shelquist stated he was surprised at the Planning Commissions' reaction because he thought they would want the increase. Part of their discussion was on the assumption that Council had already decided on the 216 sq. ft. He feels that 145 sq. ft. is an adequate building and if the Council raises it, it will open the door to more raises. Councilmember Shelquist reviewed the Peterson and Lestina requests and stated he would like to leave it at 145 sq. ft. and hear other requests as a special use permit. This would prevent these buildings from becoming garages and industries in residential areas, which is a concern of his. September 27, 1976 Page 14 M (Shelquist) to leave the accessory building size at 145 Square feet per existing ccde and continue to allow special use permits for buildings over that size. This motion was not seconded and died. Mr. Lauterbach stated that since there were three requests for oversized buildings there is a need for extra storage space and it is the Council's duty to pass laws that provide for what the people want. He felt the Council could make the 216 sq. ft. the standard or have two sizes of buildings, one for small lots and 216 sq. ft. for larger lots. Councilmember Baumgartner stated that accessory buildings can't take up more than 25% of the rear yard. Mayor Pickar stated he doesnot feel that 216 square feet, at this time, would be out of line and would rather see the various equipment inside. Councilmember Shelquist stated the Council went through this when the garage size was increased from a two car to a three car garage. Mayor Pickar stated he doesn't believe the Council will see the situation grow and grow as was mentioned. Bob Lestina, 6939 pleasant View Drive suggested putting a limit of 1% or 2% square footage of the lot for the accessory building size. Mayor Pickar stated that this would be less than the 25% limit. MSP (Baumgartner Rowley) to adopt Ordinance No. 253 increasing the maximum size of accessory buildings from the present 145 square feet to 216 square feet and anything over this be by special use permit. Attorney Meyers stated this motion requires a 4/5 vote. Mayor Picker questioned the size of the doors allowed. Councilmember Baumgartner stated the intent is that an accessory building is not a garage. Attorney Meyers suggested that the definition of accessory buildings in the ordinance be amended. Councilmember Baumgartner stated that at this time we are dis- cussing an accessory building size and if the Council feels there is a need to define an accessory building it could be done at another time. Mrs. Lestina suggested that the ordinance differentiate between existing and new buildings because some people that have put up new have not torn down the old buildings or altered the doors. Attorney Meyers stated that it is possible these old buildings are grandfathered into the ordinance. A roll call Grote was requested: Councilmember Hodges aye Councilmember Baumgartner aye Councilmember Rowley aye Councilmember Shelquist nay Mayor Pickar aye Referring back to BAUER WELDING METAL FABRICATORS, INC., INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, MOUNDS VIEW INDUSTRIAL PARK. Mr. Benson stated they had reviewed the document and are concerned that several items refer to public improvements and are not directly applicable to their 4 ayes 1 nay September 27, 1976 Page 15 project. He suggested the words "at the developers request" be added to Paragraph 1. Attorney Meyers stated when public improvements are talked about throughout the contract it is the type of improvements authorized by State Statute 429. He then reviewed this statute and stated that those words could be added to the contract but they do not prevent the City from putting improvements in through condemnation. Mr. Benson stated that the improvements are already in the property. Attorney Meyers stated that the words "proposed Phase One building site" should be used rather than "development site Engineer Hubbard stated that the developers will need to get another building permit, provide additional parking spaces and may also need an addendum to the contract for Phase Two. It depends on whether or not Phase Two comes into con- formance with the City requirements. Also additional buildings will increase the storm drainage. Councilmember Baumgartner questioned the storm drainage once Phase Three begins. Mr. Benson stated that this was mentioned to the Rice Creek Water Shed District and it will probably be necessary at that time to increase the area of the holding pond. Attorney Meyers stated that Paragraph 20 would also have to be amended, but he would have this document ready for signatures later in the week. Mr. Benson asked if the words "no to exceed" could be inserted in item 32 about expenses. Attorney Meyers stated that the Ordinance provides that all administrative, engineering and legal fees be covered. Mayor Pickar stated that on some development contracts in the past the Council set a fee, but the costs have to be paid anyway. MSP (Shelquist- Hodges) to take from the table the Bauer Welding Metal Fabricators, Inc., building permit. 5 ayes Vote on the motion to adopt Resolution No. 768: 5 ayes PROPOSED FOUR -WAY STOP AT COUNTY ROAD H -2 AND SILVER LAKE ROAD. Mayor Picker .stated the Ramsey County Engineer has recommended a four -way stop at the intersection of County Road H -2 and Silver Lake Road. The Director of Public Works and Police Chief have reviewed the accident and traffic reports submitted by the County. The Police Department had a petition for a four -way stop control at this intersection in 1974. The Staff concurs with the recommendation of the Ramsey County Engineer. MSP (Pickar- Hodges) that we direct the Staff to indicate our consent to the installation of the four way stop at County Road H -2 and Silver Lake Road. SPECIFICATIONS FOR PURCHASE OF CITY SIGN AND READERBOARD. Engineer Hubbard stated he would like to get approval of the plans and specifications of the sign with some changes. He then reviewed the pro- posed sign. Mr. Ziebarth, 5150 Bona Road, stated that after the base- for the sign was selected, the Council suggested that there also be a planter. He stated that the base would not be used if there was going to be a planter= 5 ayes September 27, 1976 Councilmember Rowley stated she felt the planter would be more headaches than it would be worth and she would rather see shrubbry around the base if the sign appears too stark. Councilmember Shelquist agreed because the planter may detract from the sign. MSP (Shelquist Pickar) to authorize the Staff to call for bide on the City sign as presented tonight omitting the planter and have the bids opened at 11:00 a.m. on Thursday, October 21, 1976 PROPOSED EXTENSION OF WATER SERVICE TO GREENFIELD PARK Mayor Pickar stated that the Staff recommends delaying installation of water lines until next year because other funds may be available through the Public Works Bill. For the 1976 -77 skating season, the City of New Brighton has agreed to flood Greenfield Skating rink at least twice per week at a rate of $12.00 per hour. The estimated total expenditure for this service is $400. MSP (Pickar- Hodges) to accept the Staff recommendation to delay installation of the water service and contract with the City of New Brighton for flooding the rink for the 1976 -77 skating season. Engineer Hubbard explained that if the City went out for bids now they probably would not be competitive this late in the year. 5 ayes ENGINEER HUBBARD'S REPORT. Engineer Hubbard stated that at the end of last week during the close of the hydrant flushing, we found a high volume of sand in Well #4. He suggested this well be shut down. He stated he would like authorization to have this pump pulled and investigated which could cost from $3,000 to _$5,000. If rebailing is necessary, the cost could be from $10,000 to $20,000. Engineer Hubbard explained that it was really hard to estimate the cost before he knows what is wrong. MSP (Shelquist Rowley) to authorize the Engineer to obtain quotations for pulling the pump and investigating Well #4 located at Hillview and Edgewood. 5 ayes ATTORNEY MEYERS had no report. COUNCILMEMBER HODGES had no report COUNCILMEMBER BAUMGARTNER had no report. COUNCILMEMBER ROWLEY had no report. COUNCILMEMBER SHELQUIST had no report. MAYOR PICKAR'S REPORT. Mayor Pickar stated hetmuld be attending a Youth Service Bureau Meeting and will report on it at the next meeting. MSP (Shelquist- Baumgartner) to adjourn at 12:40 a.m. Respectfully submitted, March Achen Clerk Administrator Page 16 5 ayes 5 ayes