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CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
February 26, 2018
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Mounds View Blvd., Mounds View, MN 55112
6:30 P.M.
1. MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Mayor Mueller welcomed Troop #267 to the meeting and asked them to the lead the Council in
the Pledge of Allegiance.
3. ROLL CALL: Bergeron, Gunn, Hull, Meehlhause, Mueller
NOT PRESENT: None.
4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
A. Monday, February 26, 2018, City Council Agenda.
Mayor Mueller noted the agenda had been revised by staff to include several missing dates.
MOTION/SECOND: Gunn/Bergeron. To Approve the Monday, February 26, 2018, agenda as
revised.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
5. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Approval of Minutes: February 12, 2018
B. Just and Correct Claims.
C. Resolution 8911 Authorizing the Purchase of a Copy Machine and
Maintenance Agreement for Public Works.
MOTION/SECOND: Meehlhause/Bergeron. To Approve the Consent Agenda as presented.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
6. PUBLIC COMMENT
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Eric Robertson, 5177 Longview Drive, explained he came to the City 11 months ago regarding
water concerns in his yard. He stated the new homes in his neighborhood have impacted his
property. He indicated he had hired an engineer and a report addressing his concerns had been
drafted. He presented this report to the City Council and requested the City take action.
Amanda Robertson, 5177 Longview Drive, introduced herself to the Council and stated she
would like to be able to use her yard but at this time her rear yard was a pond. She thanked the
Council for their time and attention to this matter.
Council Member Gunn requested Item 8A be addressed prior to the City Council taking further
Public Comment.
The Council was in agreement with this suggestion.
8. COUNCIL BUSINESS
A. 6:30 p.m. Public Hearing - Resolution 8903, Approving a Residential Kennel
License for Linda Brasaemle, 5127 Long Lake Road (Rescheduled from
February 12th).
City Administrator Zikmund requested the Council approve a residential kennel license for Linda
Brasaemle. He explained the applicant currently has two dogs and would like to purchase
another dog, which would require a kennel license. Staff provided further comment on the
request and recommended approval.
Mayor Mueller opened the public hearing at 6:43 p.m.
Linda Brasaemle, 5127 Long Lake Road, thanked the Council for their consideration. She
explained she would like to get a puppy and noted one of her current dogs was 11 years of age.
Hearing no further public input, Mayor Mueller closed the public hearing at 6:44 p.m.
MOTION/SECOND: Mueller/Meehlhause. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8903,
Approving a Residential Kennel License for Linda Brasaemle, 5127 Long Lake Road.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
6. PUBLIC COMMENT - CONTINUED
Lisa Rolfs, 8429 Eastwood Road, thanked the Council and Mayor for their time and energy. She
understood the Council spent a great deal of time attending meetings and tending to the City’s
parks, clean water, streets and bike trails. She stated she had hoped the Council was headed in a
family friendly direction that provided new families’ access to the community and the great
school district. She did not believe a gun shop and gun range was exactly family friendly when it
would be located adjacent to a school. She encouraged the Council to not listen to the private
investor but rather the voices of the public. She explained this was a prime parcel of property
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and should not be squandered on a gun shop and gun range. She commented on how property
values surrounding the gun range would decrease and noted how this would impact adjacent
homeowners. For this reason, she recommended the Council not pursue the gun shop/gun range
and suggested the City Council not bring a nationally divisive issue into this community. She
recommended the Council not abandon their previous vision for this property. She believed that
together the City could do better.
Jerry Schwartz, 5079 Eastwood Road, stated he was a 1st and 2nd Amendment supporter. He
commented if residents gave up their 2nd Amendment right, the 1st Amendment right would
follow. He discussed a news article that was put out by Pat Kessler with WCCO stating 36% of
Minnesotan’s own a gun. He reported in 2017, Ramsey County completed 683,544 background
checks and gave out 473 permits to buy. He stated there were 94,382 hand guns sold and
125,000 long guns. He commented Minnesota now had 283,188 individuals with a permit to
carry. He explained the proposed gun range would have self-defense classes and permit to carry
classes. He was of the opinion that the signs being waived tonight were similar to protesters that
did not know what they were doing.
Laurel Halverson Bernard, 2504 Ridge Lane, stated she lived just a few blocks from the proposed
development and noted she had four children. She explained one of her children was in college,
one had a traumatic brain injury and two attended Edgewood Middle School. She stated she is
opposed to having a gun shop and gun range in her neighborhood. She indicated she was not
opposed to people owning guns or how to use a gun but did not want a gun range in her
neighborhood. She explained she grew up near a gun range, out in the country, which was a very
different situation. She feared how her neighborhood and her children would be impacted if a
gun range were located on the Crossroad Pointe property. She encouraged the Council to
remember why people live in Mounds View, because it was family friendly and had beautiful,
safe schools. She stated she wanted her kids and her neighbor’s kids to remain safe.
Russ Warren, 8044 Greenwood Drive, stated the Council was amending City Code in order to
facilitate a gun range with a developer. He believed the Council was acting on behalf of the
developer and not the citizens. He understood the developer was proposing a $40 million project
and noted the net impact on him would be $3 per month. He stated he did not want Mounds
View to be known simply as the City with The Mermaid or the gun club. He requested the
Council deny the Ordinance amendment or table it to another time.
Scott Schrader, 2566 Hillview, stated he and his wife came to Mounds View by accident and
moved into the community because of its parks and friendliness. He explained the proposed
location for the gun club/gun range was all wrong due to its close proximity to a school. In
addition, he did not anticipate the retirees living at Bel Ray wanted to spend the rest of their days
adjacent to a gun range. He encouraged the Council to not turn the community into “that place”
where people did not want to live. He suggested another location be considered for the gun
range, perhaps in a business or industrial park. He recommended Crossroad Pointe be considered
for other development, such as apartments and retail, noting this was a prime location along the
Mounds View Boulevard corridor.
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Molly Overkamp, 1671 Fernwood Street, explained she was a student leader at Irondale High
School. She stated in the wake of a recent school shooting in Parkland, Florida, many of her
classmates are worried this could occur in their own community. She reported Irondale received
a threat this week via social media and she watched as her classmates made a choice between
education and safety. She indicated this was a choice no child should have to make. She stated
she has attended Irondale for four years and her feeling of safety was violated this week. She
encouraged the Council to not allow a gun range to be placed less than a mile from Irondale High
School. She reported this would not invoke feelings of safety for the students. She encouraged
the City Council to not support the gun shop/gun range.
Joan Dauphinee, 7801 Gloria Circle, stated for the past 41 years she has been a high school
teacher at Spring Lake Park High School. She thanked the Council for hearing the opinions of
the public. She discussed how teens and teachers were mobilizing across the country given the
recent events that occurred in Florida in order to bring about stricter weapons control. She stated
history was being made, a movement was happening and things were changing. She encouraged
the Council to land on the right side of this issue and not on the side of further promotion and
sales of guns. She recommended the Council stop pursuing this development and suggested
Ordinance 939 be denied. She indicated Mounds View was a safe community and she would like
this to remain the case. She anticipated that just because the developer was not requesting TIF
did not mean this was a good development for the City. She commented on some research she
had conducted on Heartland Gun Club and questioned why they were pursuing a location in
Mounds View when they were from Florida. She stated this was a red flag for her. She feared
the developer’s needs were coming first and not the needs of the City. She suggested the sale of
weapons not be conducted next to a school for behaviorally challenged kids. She encouraged the
Council to protect these students and the adjacent senior citizens.
Larry Tell, 2840 Woodcrest Drive, stated 25 years ago his wife and daughter were shot at on the
freeway in St. Paul. He explained both survived and escaped the event uninjured, noting his car
had several bullet holes. He indicated he tried to work with the City of St. Paul on this issue and
received no response. He believed the government had to have a different response to gun
control. He encouraged the Council to resist the gun culture and recommended denial of
Ordinance 939. He explained he would not vote for the Council or Mayor again if they
supported this issue.
Kenneth Glidden, 5240 Edgewood Drive, stated he lived approximately six houses down from
where the proposed gun club and gun range would be. He believed this was the worst decision
the Council could make and discussed how this would decrease the safety of his neighborhood.
He did not support the City having a gun range in the middle of the community and encouraged
the Council to deny the proposed Ordinance.
Sue Rademacher, 7421 Parkview Drive, stated she has lived in Mounds View for 34 years with
her husband. She explained she valued the safety and neighborliness in the community, along
with the schools. She expressed concern with how a gun club would change this and questioned
if guns could be rented at the proposed gun range.
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Mayor Mueller stated typically guns could be rented at gun ranges. She reported at this time, the
Council did not have an official proposal for a gun club/gun range from the developer, INH.
Ms. Rademacher stated it was her understanding 80% of gun club profits come from gun rentals.
She explained she grew up with guns in her home because her dad was a hunter. However, she
believed this situation was quite different because a gun club did not belong in a residential area.
She feared how lead emissions would impact her neighborhood, especially children. She had
concerns with the growing trend and how gun rentals could be used for suicide. She noted there
were 64 suicides in three counties in California at gun clubs. She recommended the Council not
take on this liability.
Gwen McGlaun, 841 Manor Drive, stated she worked in Mounds View and was an Army veteran
noting she had served in South Korea and Iraq. She reported she was a sharp shooter and owned
guns. She explained that the first lesson learned by every member of the United States Armed
Forces was to never point a weapon at anything you don’t intend to kill. The second lesson is
there is always something behind the thing you shoot. She explained the property proposed for a
gun club was adjacent to Bridges, which was a school for behaviorally challenged students. She
explained this was not a good location for gun shop or gun range. She stated the area proposed
was also adjacent to a movie theater and residential housing. She believed weapons ranges
belonged on military installations or out in the country, not in our neighborhoods. She indicated
the developer was not working in the City’s best interest and recommended that the Council not
approve a weapons range adjacent to a school, a movie theater and residential homes.
Kim Lane, 7810 Gloria Circle, stated she has worked as a family physician for the past 30 years
and has counseled people about guns. She discussed how suicide and accidental shootings go up
when guns are in a house. She commented 89% of children shot are shot by a family member.
She explained lethal crime increases when guns are in a home. She discussed the number of
mass shootings in the country in recent years and noted a minor tax break was not worth putting a
gun range in her community. She encouraged the Council to deny the request and pursue another
type of development.
Dr. Kathleen Higgins, 7801 Gloria Circle, explained she has lived in Mounds View for the past
20 years. She stated she was filled with outrage over this matter and could not believe the City
was considering a gun range. She believed the entire deal was shady. She commented there was
no need for a gun range in Mounds View. She discussed how the residents of Mounds View had
voted people onto the City Council to be responsible representatives for the public. She
encouraged the Council to act based on the opinions being voiced this evening and not pursue the
gun range.
Leah Retamozo, 2688 County Road H2, stated she lives just up the road from the proposed gun
club. She explained she did not want the gun club in her neighborhood and believed this was not
an appropriate location. She reported she owns a Spanish immersion childcare center in
Roseville and was hoping to expand into Mounds View. She feared she could not do this if a
gun club were located along the Mounds View Boulevard corridor. She anticipated that
additional businesses and families would be detracted from the City as well if a gun club were
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located on the Crossroad Pointe property.
William McCulloch, 5269 Greenfield Avenue, stated he opposed the gun club and the
apartments. He suggested condos or some other type of housing be considered for the Crossroad
Pointe property.
Steve Chambers, 2957 Sherwood Place, explained he has talked to many neighbors and friends
that live in Mounds View. He commented 90% are shocked to learn a gun club could be coming
into the community. He encouraged the Council to consider how successful the rental of the
proposed apartments would be knowing they would be next to a gun club.
Linda Metzger, 7810 Gloria Circle, explained she was a retired school teacher and moved to
Mounds View three years ago from Shoreview. She believed the proposed Ordinance
amendment and gun club had no place in a community that valued children, families and elders.
She quoted an article from the Star & Tribune stating, “Guns know no policy except
destruction”. She encouraged the Council to consider how much the proposed gun club and
Ordinance amendment have already destroyed the City of Mounds View. She described how the
community was divided against each other just as the country was divided now more than ever.
She stated the City needed leadership that said enough was enough to the easy purchase of guns
and the use of guns that were never meant to be in the civilian population. She indicated the City
needs leaders that want health and safety. She commended the City Council for creating a main
corridor along Mounds View Boulevard that is attractive and family friendly. She was pleased
the City had affordable housing and beautiful parks. She encouraged the Council to consider
how a gun club would disrupt this community and its safety. She urged the Council to consider
how Florida was recently impacted by guns within their schools. She stated if the Council’s
vision for the City includes guns, she encouraged the Council to move the gun range to an
industrial area away from children, elders and families. She recommended the Council, “just say
no” to guns which bring destruction to us all.
Sarah Mears, 5292 Edgewood Drive, commented she was not opposed to the gun club. She
feared how the proposed apartments would bring down her property value. She noted she and
her husband would use the gun range and they were not afraid of it. She indicated gun ranges
were not a bad thing.
Lavonne Tell, 2840 Woodcrest Drive, stated she was shot at on the freeway 25 years ago. She
explained her daughter was 17 at the time the event occurred and noted two shots were fired into
the driver side of her vehicle. She indicated this was a very difficult event for her daughter to go
through. She encouraged the Council to not consider approving a gun range in Mounds View.
Ron Bakke, 5250 Jeffrey Drive, indicated he was a 20-year resident of Mounds View. He
believed that the City could do a lot better than the proposed apartments and gun range. He
questioned why the Council was in such a hurry and discussed how his property value would be
impacted by the proposed development. He stated he saw no positive impacts from the proposed
gun range and noted there was a gun range 2.5 miles away in Circle Pines. He encouraged the
Mounds View Police Department to visit this range for their training. He believed the City could
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do better and encouraged the Council to be patient.
Diane Hinds, 5157 Irondale Road, explained she has been a Mounds View resident for the past
47 years. She stated she believed in the governmental process and believed public officials were
doing the best they could to balance the needs of the residents in the City they served. She
encouraged the Council to understand the depth of opposition to the proposed gun shop and gun
range and would act accordingly. She stated there were many factual and logical arguments
against the gun shop/range. She understood why the developer was attracted to the City of
Mounds View, however, she the urged the Council to make the right decision and not pursue the
gun club.
Marisa Reyes, 7851 Sunnyside Road, stated she opposed a discharge of weapons and having a
gun club in Mounds View. She explained when she thought about the needs of the community,
this did not include a gun club. She reported there were already two gun clubs within five miles
of her home. She indicated she would also oppose a gambling institution or strip club from
coming into the community.
Alicia Johnson, 2562 Ridge Lane, indicated she has been a resident of Mounds View for seven
years. She stated she loved her neighbors and her community. She explained she was
completely against the Council amending the Ordinance and was also completely against the
proposed gun range.
Dan Kaczmarek, 8345 Pleasant View Drive, requested further information regarding the
proposed Ordinance amendment.
Mayor Mueller reported the Council was amending two parts of the City Code to be in alignment
with Minnesota State Statute. She indicated the third part of the code was to update the portion of
code that talks about where guns can be discharged within the City limits.
Mr. Kaczmarek asked if the Council intends to amend City Code when the original intent was
supported by Mounds View residents.
Mayor Mueller requested Mr. Kaczmarek address this question to the City Council during the
Public Hearing for the Ordinance Amendment.
Richard Busby, Jr., 2625 Louise Avenue, stated he supported the proposed gun club. He
explained at this time he and his family were taking their money and spending it outside of the
community. He indicated his parents, himself and his sister were all conceal and carry holders.
He noted his daughter took a gun safety class through the City with the Mounds View Police
Department. He discussed how the proposed range would bring money into the community and
noted there were laws in place to regulate this use.
Russell Flewellen, 5262 Skiba Drive, commented he chose to live in Mounds View based on the
community, its schools and neighborhoods. He explained a gun club was not part of this and
noted he would not have moved into the community if a gun club were located along Mound
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View Boulevard. He anticipated a lot of families felt the same way.
Jerome Clark, 5001 Wellington Avenue, stated he was opposed to the low-income/Section 8
apartments. He believed the City had enough affordable housing and drugs already in the
community. He discussed the recent drive-by shooting that occurred in his neighborhood and
encouraged the City to not approve any additional affordable housing for the safety of the people
in Mounds View. He expressed frustration with the Mounds View Police Department and his
inability to receive police reports on the activities occurring at a house in his neighborhood.
Eileen Burns, 5109 Irondale Road, commented the Crossroad Pointe property was not the proper
location for a gun club as it was too close to schools and residential homes. She encouraged the
Council to reconsider the Ordinance amendment to increase the distance guns should be from
schools.
Ken Gladen, 5149 Edgewood Drive, stated he was for the gun range. He explained the gun range
would bring additional traffic into the community and would improve the tax rolls. He reported
women are the fastest growing segment of gun owners. He indicated he was not real supportive
of another apartment building in Mounds View, but now understood the units would be market
rate. He stated he supported the Council moving forward with the development as proposed.
Mary Kay Walsh Kaczmarek, 8345 Pleasant View Drive, explained the City of Mounds View
had incredible schools and a micro climate where trees needed to be protected. She stated the
City did not need to build an image of the City that was promoting gun culture. She did not
believe it would be responsible for the City to pursue a gun range this close to our schools. She
noted there were gun ranges and gun shops in neighboring communities that could be used for
the Mounds View Police Department. She encouraged the Council to think more about what
could be done to make Crossroad Pointe attractive to the entire community.
Ian Mills, 7594 Greenfield Avenue, indicated he was a student at Irondale High School. He
explained he and his fellow classmates were already concerned about their safety at school given
the number of recent school shootings. He did not believe it was in the City’s best interest to
have a gun range within walking distance of his former middle school and current high school.
He stated this would not make him feel safe. He explained he would not be voting for any of the
Council members that supported the gun range.
David Frego, 5612 St. Michael Street, understood there were a lot of concerns surrounding the
gun range. He explained he had two grandchildren that attended Bridges. He stated if the City
were pursuing an open-air range this matter should be put down. However, he believed an
indoor range, similar to Bill’s, would be capable to stopping large caliber weapons. He
commented he has not heard of any rounds escaping Bill’s facility and noted you could not hear
the weapons being fired from outside of Bill’s.
Steve Peters, 7805 Gloria Circle, stated he was totally against the gun range as it would diminish
property values. He explained the proposed gun range was too close to schools and seniors. He
recommended another property be considered. He indicated he did not support additional low-
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income housing coming into the community either. He believed there was enough gun violence
already and he did not want to see this brought into Mounds View.
7. SPECIAL ORDER OF BUSINESS
None.
8. COUNCIL BUSINESS - CONTINUED
B. 6:30 p.m. Public Hearing – Second Reading and Adoption of Ordinance 939,
Amending Chapter 702 of the Mounds View Municipal Code Relating to the
Discharge of Weapons within the City.
City Planner/Supervisor Sevald requested the Council consider the adoption of an Ordinance
amending Chapter 702 of the Mounds View Municipal Code relating to the discharge of weapons
within the City. He stated currently City Codes does not allow for the discharge of weapons and
was not in compliance with State and Federal laws. He noted the proposed Ordinance
amendment was reviewed by the City Attorney. He explained this Ordinance does not approve a
gun range but would allow the possession and discharge of weapons within a City Council
approved facility.
City Attorney Riggs explained the proposed Ordinance amends two provisions within the Code
that are not compliant with State law. In addition, the proposed amendment would allow for the
discharge of firearms in an approved facility.
Council Member Hull questioned if the amendment was not approved if the gun club could
proceed. City Planner/Supervisor Sevald stated the gun club could not proceed without this
amendment being approved.
Mayor Mueller asked if by amending this Ordinance if a gun club had to be approved. City
Planner/Sevald reported this was not the case.
Mayor Mueller opened the public hearing at 7:58 p.m.
Tom Kosel, 8120 Jackson Drive, stated he has lived at his home since 1987 and noted he fully
supported the Council amending or updating the current gun Ordinance. He believed the City
Council had the responsibility of promoting the general safety and welfare of its residents. He
commented Mounds View was quite small in area and was already nestled between several
adjacent gun shops and shooting ranges. For this reason, he did not believe it was necessary for
Mounds View to pursue another gun range. He recommended the City’s gun Ordinance be short,
direct and uncomplicated. He proposed the Ordinance read: “The City of Mounds View
prohibits the sale of any type of firearm or ammunition, or adaptation device for firearms,
whether handgun or rifle or any assault style weapon, and prohibits any overt or threatening
display of firearms, and prohibits the discharge of any firearm within our City limits whether
indoors or outdoors. The only exceptions being: 1) someone acting in a dire situation calling for
self-defense for himself or others; 2) dually authorized member of a legitimate law enforcement
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entity acting to defend him or herself or to protect members of the general public from an
immediate life-threatening danger”. He believed such an Ordinance would not impact any
member of the community from owning a firearm, from possessing or carrying a firearm lawfully
in the City or to transport a firearm out of the City for practice purposes. He indicated this type
of Ordinance would place Mounds View on the leading edge of the country in an effort to curtail
deadly shootings of any kind.
Kenneth Glidden, 5240 Edgewood Drive, encouraged the Council to consider if the proposed
Ordinance amendment would make the residents of Mounds View safer.
Lisa Rolfs, 8429 Eastwood Road, stated she was not the only person in the room that found this
topic and the two separate hearings confusing. She believed most of the people in the room had
not heard about the gun range until two weeks ago, much less understood why the Council was
proceeding with an Ordinance amendment that would now allow the discharge of weapons in the
City. She indicated she felt like she was running trying to catch up to a speeding train without
fully understanding the topics on the table. She explained she was in favor of City Code aligning
with State Statute. However, she believed this was all that should be considered at this time.
She encouraged the Council to not rush through an amendment that would allow the discharge of
guns at a gun range at this time. She feared that the Council was simply acting on behalf of a
private party and not in the best interests of the Mounds View residents.
Joan Dauphinee, 7801 Gloria Circle, stated she has been trying to investigate all of the things that
are happening in the City. She questioned if Mounds View would be reviewing this Ordinance if
a developer had not proposed a gun club with apartments. She asked if the Heartland Gun Club
had assisted the City with the proposed amendment. She reported the NRA was pushing gun
shops and gun ranges into suburban areas and she feared people were becoming numb to guns.
She stated she was perplexed and confused as to why the City was pursuing this change. She
could not understand why Heartland Gun Club was coming to Mounds View, Minnesota for a
gun club when their only other location was in Florida. She encouraged the Council to consider
the back room deals that were being made surrounding guns. She stated she was scared and
nervous about this issue. She indicated she has done lock down drills with kids, talked with
these kids and understood these kids would change the climate of America right now. She
encouraged the Council to be transparent with their actions and believed this issue would not be
coming before the City if it weren’t for INH and the Heartland Gun Club.
Ann Zierdt, 7416 Parkview Drive, noted the definition of transparent as having thoughts, feelings
or motives that are easily perceived. She believed now was not the time to consider amending
the City’s gun Ordinance given the number of shootings that are occurring in the country. She
questioned why the developer, Pat Egan, had been consulting with the City on this matter if the
City was simply coming into compliance with State Statute. She believed there was no reason
for Pat Egan to be at City meetings. She feared his only interest in the City was gun club and not
any retail or apartments. She thanked the Council for their dedicated service to the community
but asked them to be transparent regarding this project. She commented on January 15th she left
messages with Penny Howard and Chris Lennox as she wanted to learn about their stance on the
proposed gun club. She stated she received a call back from Chris Lennox and was told by the
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Mounds View City Council that the gun club was not the school’s decision and that the school
was to stay out of this matter. Mr. Lennox reported the school would be staying out of the issue
and all parents were to be redirected to the City Council. She stated tonight she was directing her
concerns to the City Council as a gun club could have major impacts on school safety and student
well-being.
Mayor Mueller commented she was not aware of anyone on the City Council having this
conversation with Mr. Lennox.
Dan Kaczmarek, 8345 Pleasant View Drive, stated the City appears to be taking a recreational
risk, which could involve bodily harm and death caused by a weapon. For this reason, he
recommended the Council not rewrite City Code or allow the discharge of weapons in the City
limit.
Jan Brenk, 7800 Gloria Circle, believed it was not in the City’s best interest to amend the gun
Ordinance to allow a gun range within walking distance of a school, a sports bar and liquor store.
Mayor Mueller read in full for the record the proposed amendments to City Code and proposed in
Ordinance 939.
Russell Warren, 8044 Greenwood Drive, asked if an Ordinance amendment required a voice
vote.
Mayor Mueller reported the Ordinance amendment would require a roll call vote.
Mr. Warren encouraged the Council to put this item aside to allow the public to review this item
further.
Kim Lane, 7810 Gloria Circle, recommended Item B be removed from the Ordinance
amendment and that the Ordinance not allow for the sale of firearms in Mounds View. He
encouraged the Council to act out of wisdom and heart, and not fear on this issue.
Sue Rademacher, 7421 Parkview Drive, asked if this item could be placed on a ballot for the
entire City to vote on.
Mayor Mueller stated the proposed Ordinance was something that would be updated by the City
Council and Mayor. She indicated it was a housekeeping issue for the most part, noting the City
had to remain in compliance with State Statute.
City Attorney Riggs commented the City Charter does allow the initiative to both create and
amend Ordinances as well as a referendum to challenge Ordinances. He explained this has been
done in Mounds View before and required a certain number of petitions to be in place.
Bill Urbanski, 2367 Sherwood Road, stated he had an opportunity to speak with Ramsey County
Attorney John Choi. He asked Mr. Choi if it was necessary for a local government unit to have
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its Ordinances in compliance with State and Federal law and he was told no. He was told local
governments have the right to have their own Ordinances and what they want in it. Mr. Chou
recommended he contact an attorney to do pro bono work on behalf of the Mounds View
residents. He explained he was very seriously considering taking this action. He commented the
vast majority of residents of Mounds View do not want a gun club/gun range in this City.
Dr. Kathleen Higgins, 7801 Gloria Circle, requested a show of hands from the members in the
audience who were against the proposed Ordinance amendment. Fifty-three members of the
audience raised their hands.
Mr. Kosel stated he wanted the Ordinance changed to include an absolute prohibition of gun
sales and gun use within Mounds View.
Danielle Fixell, 2528 Ridge Lane, asked how long the City has not been in compliance with State
Statute and questioned why the City was making a change at this time.
Mayor Mueller stated she was uncertain how long the City has been out of compliance.
Hearing no further public input, Mayor Mueller closed the public hearing at 8:26 p.m.
Council Member Bergeron encouraged the members of the public to remain in attendance to
witness the vote.
Council Member Hull questioned when the developers came before the Council to discuss their
plans for Crossroad Pointe. City Planner/Supervisor Sevald explained this occurred in August of
2017.
Council Member Hull commented he believed residents have had plenty of time to inform
themselves on this topic given the fact the Council has been discussing this matter since August
of 2017. He asked how long the Crossroad Pointe property has been vacant. City
Planner/Supervisor Sevald stated the site has been vacant since 2013.
Council Member Hull requested further information on the developments that have been
proposed for this property since 2013. City Planner/Supervisor Sevald discussed the
developments that have been proposed for this site. He noted a Hy-Vee would not fit on this site
due to the fact they require 10 acres of land.
Council Member Hull understood the public was looking for more retail in the City. He
provided further comment on how retail was dying due to increased sales on the internet.
Council Member Meehlhause inquired if a City could prohibit the sale of firearms. City Attorney
Riggs explained this would be difficult for a City to do but noted zoning requirements could be
put in place.
Council Member Meehlhause questioned how the City was made aware of the fact it needed to
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review this Ordinance. City Planner/Supervisor Sevald reported the applicant made the City
aware of need to review this Ordinance.
Council Member Meehlhause requested further information on INH and their primary core
business. City Planner/Supervisor Sevald indicated INH was a developer and their core business
was to manage apartment buildings. He explained INH was located out of St. Cloud, Minnesota.
Council Member Meehlhause stated he was not aware of anyone on the City Council
approaching the school district telling them this was not their issue. He commented he had not
talked to anyone at the school district. He asked what type of risk the City had if weapons were
allowed to be discharged in Mounds View. City Attorney Riggs stated under the Ordinance the
use would be limited and the reality was the liability would remain the same.
Council Member Meehlhause commented on an unfortunate suicide event that occurred at Bill’s
Gun Club in Robbinsdale, Minnesota. He inquired if Robbinsdale had any liability for this
unfortunate situation. City Attorney Riggs advised the City of Robbinsdale would have no
liability.
Council Member Meehlhause questioned if City Ordinances had to be in alignment with State
Statute. City Attorney Riggs commented he would have to speak with Ramsey County Attorney
Choi regarding this matter as he did not understand where this comment came from. He stated
the best practice was to have City Ordinance in alignment or compliant with State Statute.
Council Member Bergeron commented Minnesota Statute 471.633 stipulates that the legislature
preempts all authority of a home rule, charter, or statutory city, including a city, first class county,
town, municipal corporation, or other government subdivision or any of their instrumentalities to
regulate firearms, ammunition, or their respective components to the complete exclusion in any
order, ordinance, or regulation by them except: 1.) we may adopt regulations that are identical to
State law; and 2.) a government subdivision may regulate the discharge or firearms. He
explained this meant the discharge of firearms was the only regulatory action the City Council
could take. City Attorney Riggs reported this was the case and noted the City was proposing to
address the discharge of firearms.
Council Member Bergeron stated the bone of contention at this time was the proposed addition
addressing the discharge of firearms. He read the proposed language in full for the record. He
recommended the Council delete Section B from the proposed Ordinance amendment.
AMENDMENT MOTION/SECOND: Bergeron/Gunn. To Remove Exception 5, Section B
from Ordinance 939, Amending Chapter 702 of the Mounds View Municipal Code Relating to
the Discharge of Weapons within the City.
Council Member Gunn explained based on her own research and after witnessing the students at
Irondale she did not support the City allowing the discharge of guns at a gun range/gun club. She
commented the recent events in Florida have greatly impacted students and it was important to
her to keep them safe. She stated she would only support the Ordinance amendment after Section
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B was removed.
Mayor Mueller discussed the developer’s agreement with INH which included a 124-unit market
rate four story apartment complex with a small amount of retail. She indicated their proposal
also included a 16,000 to 20,000 square feet of specialty retail. She reported the developer has
been very up front stating they had an investor (Heartland Gun Club) who would like to utilize
this portion of the development. She explained the market rate apartments would be owned and
managed by INH. She reported INH had no fear of renting these units with the full
understanding a gun club would be located on the same property. She stated the developer told
the City Council there were a couple of issues, one being access directly onto Mounds View
Boulevard. After many discussions with the County, the City was told the Crossroad Pointe
development would have access from Edgewood Boulevard. She feared how this would impact
traffic in the area. She reiterated the fact that the City Council does not have a final plan before
them. She commented on the discussions that were held regarding City managed garbage
collection and stated she understood, in the end, the public wanted to maintain the right to choose
their garbage provider. She discussed the proposed amendment on the floor and asked if the
public honestly believed the City Council was not looking out for the best interests of the public.
She commented without deliberate actions, a gun was no more lethal than a rock. She stated she
was not for or against the project but commented the proposed project would offer tax relief for
all residents in the community. However, if the exception was removed, she was confident the
INH developers would present a proposal that does not include a gun club and may require a City
subsidy. She explained she wished the Council could answer more the questions being raised by
the public but noted the City was still gathering information. She discussed the number of
Mounds View and New Brighton residents that had the right to conceal and carry. She
commented on the history of Simon’s which allowed for the sale of guns in Mounds View. She
questioned why the public was so afraid of allowing people to practice the safe use of a gun. She
understood some of the public may support a gun range if it was proposed for another location in
the City. She stated she appreciated the public’s patience as the Council worked through this
issue. She commented on the amendment on the floor and noted she would be voting against it
because she would like to table action on the Ordinance to allow staff and the City Council to
gather more information. She discussed how Mounds View would be adversely impacted when
TCAAP began to develop.
Council Member Bergeron commented the Council was still waiting to receive a market analysis
from INH that was talked about over six months ago. He added that INH indicated during their
first proposal that the market analysis was pending at that time and added that perhaps they were
having a difficult time finding another apartment complex/shooting range to compare it to. He
explained that the Council, when this proposal was first before them, expressed contentment for
the gun club with a 4-1 vote and to go ahead with the INH plans which is why he believes INH
has not pursued other specialty retail for the site. He commented that by voting for this
amendment, the City would be forcing INH to find more suitable specialty retail or they would
need move forward with only the market rate housing portion of the development. He added that
if TIF was offered, the City would still be getting a portion of the property taxes. He thanked the
residents that came out commented that the majority of the public was not against 2nd
Amendment rights, but rather were focused on safety and economics. He added that based on the
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research completed on TCAAP, the City of Mounds View’s development options would be
expanded in the future and not hindered. He reported this was confirmed for him this past
weekend by an Arden Hills City Council Member.
Council Member Meehlhause stated Council Member Bergeron was absolutely correct that if TIF
was offered to INH, the City would still be paid a small portion of property taxes. He noted
MedTronic was within a TIF District. He explained he went back and forth on this project but
understood the consensus was to move forward with INH. He described how the Council
worked together as a team on behalf of the community. He discussed the shared values at his
former corporation and noted he would be supporting the amendment on the floor.
Mayor Mueller called the question.
Ayes – 3 Nays – 2 (Hull and Mayor Mueller) Motion carried.
AMENDED MOTION/SECOND: Meehlhause/Bergeron. To Waive the Second Reading and
Adopt Ordinance 939, Amending Chapter 702 of the Mounds View Municipal Code Relating to
the Discharge of Weapons within the City, removing Exception 5, Section B.
Mayor Mueller stated she would have rather tabled action on the Ordinance but noted she would
be supporting the Ordinance coming into compliance with State Statute.
ROLL CALL: Bergeron/Gunn/Hull/Meehlhause/Mueller.
Ayes – 4 Nays – 1 (Hull) Motion carried.
Mayor Mueller called for a recess of the City Council meeting at 9:10 p.m.
Mayor Mueller reconvened the City Council meeting at 9:21 p.m.
C. Resolution 8910, Adopting 2018 Council Goals and Priorities.
City Administrator Zikmund requested the Council adopt the 2018 Council goals and priorities.
He noted the Council has been discussing their long-term and short-term goals since November
of 2017. He commented further on the goals and priorities and recommended approval.
MOTION/SECOND: Hull/Gunn. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8910, Adopting
2018 Council Goals and Priorities.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
D. Boulevard Apartments Development: Resolution 8916 Authorizing
Acquisition of Tax-Forfeited Land & Joint Resolution 8917, 18-EDA-307
Approving Real Estate Option Agreement.
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City Attorney Riggs requested the Council authorize acquisition of tax-forfeited land for the
Boulevard Apartments. He explained the EDA took similar action at their meeting prior to the
City Council meeting.
MOTION/SECOND: Gunn/Bergeron. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Joint Resolution 8916,
Authorizing Acquisition of Tax-Forfeited Land for the Boulevard Apartments Development.
Mayor Mueller asked if this was a house keeping item. City Attorney Riggs reported this was the
case. He noted a number of other agreements have to come into place but noted this action
would allow the project to continue to move forward.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
E. Resolution 8913, Approving Hiring of Shawn Smith to the Position of Public
Works Superintendent.
Human Resources Technician Ewald requested the Council approve the hiring of Shawn Smith
to the position of Public Works Superintendent. She reported Mr. Smith has multiple years of
service in public works and as a supervisor.
MOTION/SECOND: Mueller/Meehlhause. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8913,
Approving Hiring of Shawn Smith to the Position of Public Works Superintendent.
Mayor Mueller noted Shawn Smith would be starting with the City of Mounds View on or about
March 26th.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
F. Resolution 8912, Separation Agreement.
City Administrator Zikmund requested the Council approve a separation agreement for Keith
Demarest.
Mayor Mueller read a portion of the agreement in full for the record and recommended approval.
She noted the Council met in Closed Session to discuss this matter and were recommending the
City separate from this employee. City Attorney Riggs reported this was the case.
MOTION/SECOND: Meehlhause/Gunn. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8912,
Separation Agreement.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
G. Resolution 8914, Accepting Donation from Bethlehem Baptist Church and
Authorizing Redistribution of Funds.
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City Administrator Zikmund requested the Council accept a donation from Bethlehem Baptist
Church and authorize the redistribution of funds. He discussed how the funds would be
disbursed throughout the City and noted Bethlehem Baptist would continue to build up funds for
Shield 616.
MOTION/SECOND: Gunn/Hull. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8914, Accepting
Donation from Bethlehem Baptist Church and Authorizing Redistribution of Funds.
Council Member Meehlhause thanked Bethlehem Baptist for their generous donation to the City
of Mounds View.
Council Member Bergeron and Mayor Mueller offered their thanks to Bethlehem Baptist as well.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
H. Resolution 8915, Approving Hiring of Alexander Aase to the Position of
Police Officer.
Human Resources Technician Ewald requested the Council approve the hiring of Alexander
Aase to the position of Police Officer. She explained the Police Civil Services Commission met
on February 21st and recommended top candidate Alexander Aase be hired for the open position.
She noted Mr. Aase would begin his service with the Mounds View Police Department on or
about March 21st.
MOTION/SECOND: Hull/Meehlhause. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution 8915,
Approving Hiring of Alexander Aase to the Position of Police Officer.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
I. Resolution 8918, Approving the Purchase of a Used Fork Lift for the Public
Works Facility.
Public Works Director Peterson requested the Council approve the purchase of a used fork lift
for the Public Works Facility. He explained staff had originally planned to purchase an overhead
crane and had budgeted $50,000 for this purchase. However, after much discussion and other
expenses for the Public Works Facility, the Public Works Department would now like to
purchase a used fork lift. He noted the cost of the used fork lift was $12,400.
Council Member Bergeron questioned if the fork lift would be able to lift high enough to meet
the needs of the Public Works Department. Public Works Director Peterson stated after much
discussion staff believed the fork lift would better serve the needs of the Public Works
Department than an overhead crane.
MOTION/SECOND: Meehlhause/Bergeron. To Waive the Reading and Adopt Resolution
8918, Approving the Purchase of a Used Fork Lift for the Public Works Facility.
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Council Member Meehlhause thanked staff for finding the finances to cover this expense. He
believed the fork lift would be a much safer way to move materials to the mezzanine area of the
Public Works Facility than an overhead crane.
Mayor Mueller thanked Public Works Director Peterson for researching and locating a high
quality used piece of equipment for the Public Works Department.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
9. REPORTS
A. Reports of Mayor and Council.
Council Member Gunn stated she had a wonderful time at the Daddy Daughter Dance and she
thanked Police Chief Harder for organizing this wonderful event.
Council Member Hull thanked Police Chief Harder and the Police Foundation for their efforts
and noted he had a great time at the Daddy Daughter Dance with his daughter.
Council Member Bergeron stated he attended an orientation at CTV last week.
Council Member Meehlhause commented he attended the Daddy Daughter Dance as well. He
thanked the Police Foundation and Police Chief Harder for all of their efforts.
Mayor Mueller reported volunteers were still needed for Festival in the Park. She encouraged
those interested to contact City Hall for further information. She noted the next Festival in the
Park Committee meeting would be held on Tuesday, March 20th at 7:00 p.m. at City Hall.
Mayor Mueller explained the Comprehensive Plan Taskforce would be meeting on Tuesday,
February 27th.
Council Member Meehlhause was proud of how the Olympians from Minnesota fared in the
recent Olympics.
B. Reports of Staff.
Police Chief Harder thanked everyone who was able to attend the Daddy Daughter Ball.
City Administrator Zikmund asked if the Council supported staff moving forward with finalizing
numbers for the splash pad. The consensus of the Council was to direct staff to move forward.
City Administrator Zikmund listed the items that would be addressed by the City Council at their
upcoming worksession meeting, which would be held on Monday, March 5th at 6:30 p.m. He
reviewed a bit of information staff had found from the first municipal election.
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C. Reports of City Attorney.
City Attorney Riggs had nothing additional to report.
10. Next Council Work Session: Monday, March 5, 2018, at 6:30 p.m.
Next Council Meeting: Monday, March 12, 2018, at 6:30 p.m.
11. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 10:04 p.m.
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Heidi Guenther
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