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• CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
November 6, 1996
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112
The Mounds View Planning Commission was 1. Call to Order
called to order by Chair Peterson at 7:03 p.m.
on November 6, 1996.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Commissioners Miller, 2. Roll Call
Brooks, Stevenson, Obert, Johnston,
Brasaemle and Chair Peterson.
ALSO PRESENT: Community Development
Director Sheldon, Planning Associate Ericson
and Recording Secretary Benesch.
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The Planning Commission reviewed the 3. Approval of Minutes:
minutes of the special meeting of October 9, October 9, 1996
1996. The following corrections were noted: 1)
Page 1, last line, "by" should read n, 2) Page
2, third line, "site" should read sites, 3) Second
page, third paragraph, lines 6 and 7 should
read " if the lot is..." and "Commission" should
read Commissioner", 4) Page 3, line 3, should
read "...line for a..", 5) Page 3, paragraph 6,
line 2, should read acre not "acres" and line 4
should read "...than one acre. was-added."
Motion/Second: Brasaemle/Stevenson to
approve the minutes of October 9, 1996, as
amended.
7 ayes 0 nays Motion Carried
There were no resident requests or comments
from the floor.
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Mr. John Streeter and Mr. Edward Paster, 4. Public Hearing
representing Paster Enterprises, were present. Regarding Variance
Request from Paster
Community Development Director Sheldon Enterprises, Mounds
explained the request from Paster Enterprises View Square
for approval of a variance in parking ratios, a Shopping Center,
variance in sign height and sign area and a Planning Case Nos.
conditional use permit for joint use of parking at 461-96, 462-96 and
Mounds View Square Shopping Center, 2535- 463-96
2585 Highway 10.
Director Sheldon explained that she would be
presenting the request from Mounds View
Square in two parts. The first part included
Planning Cases 461-96 and 463-96, which
involved the joint use of parking and a variance
in the required parking ratios for Mounds View
Square Shopping Center. She explained that
. the second part is Planning Case 462-96
regarding a variance in the sign code to allow a
center identification sign for the shopping
center which exceeds the maximum area and
height allowed by City Code.
The first request has to do with the amount of
parking required if the shopping center
expands, adding a couple of new uses on the
property with the specific request being for an
additional 5,000 square feet of retail space
which would be added at the end of the
building near Marios Video (4,000 square feet
of retail and 1,000 square feet of storage area).
She added that it is the applicant's desire, at
some time in the future, to remove the existing
Bridgeman's and Hardees Restaurants and
replace them with two dinner house style
restaurants.
With respect to the first item (Cases 461-96
and 463-96), Director Sheldon noted that the
• Planning Commission discussed at length at
their last meeting what parking would be
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required under the City's existing Code and
what parking is in place on the site. She
explained that there is a specific request from
the applicant for a variance in the parking ratios
that apply to the property and a request for joint
use of parking under a conditional use permit.
She continued by explaining that joint use of
parking recognizes that some uses are night
time uses and some are day time uses and they
off-set each other. She added that the number
of parking spaces on the site at present is 477,
and if the new restaurants and retail space
were added, some parking spaces would be
eliminated so that the number of the spaces on
site would be 454. Commissioner Miller
inquired if 111, 775 square feet is a typo (on
Page 2, 1st paragraph, of the staff report) and
she was informed that it should read 111,535.
Director Sheldon explained that it was Staff's
understanding from the Planning Commission
at their last meeting that they are willing to look
at the existing parking in place as being
adequate for the existing space and explained
that the applicant did get a previous variance to
allow for the 477 spaces to be used for the
existing square footage. She continued by
asking what ratios are to be applied against the
new footage. She explained that the proposal
is for 4-1/2 spaces per 1,000 square feet and
that our current code requires 10 spaces but
added that our code is much higher than other
jurisdictions. She continued by explaining that
the ratio proposed for fast food restaurants is at
our regular requirement (1 space for every 40
square foot of dining and 1 space for every 80
square feet of kitchen) but the dinner house
restaurants are proposed at 1 space for every
80 square feet of dining and 1 space for every
80 square feet of kitchen, which she explained
• is a more typical ratio for larger restaurants
where you have less customer turn-over.
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Director Sheldon explained to the Commission
that Resolution No. 485-96 is for the new
ratios to be used for the proposal, and added
that it was Staffs conclusion that the variance
was justified and approval was recommended.
She noted that if the Planning Commission can
grant a variance; it would not go on to Council
unless the applicant appealed the
Commission's decision.
Director Sheldon addressed the other issue
which had to do with joint use of parking. At
the last meeting, staff had reported that the
number of parking spaces on the site, after the
building additions, would be 457 and that the
number which would be required using the new
ratios would be 454. The Commission
indicated at that time that the applicant should
. provide the additional three spaces by
restriping some of the standard size stalls to be
compact size. Director Sheldon then indicated
to the Commission that Staff made an error in
its previous report to the Planning Commission.
Instead of 454 spaces being needed, using the
new ratios, 492 spaces were needed, or 38
spaces more than the number on the site. She
advised the Commission that it was not
possible to achieve either a three space
reduction or a 38 space reduction using
restriping from standard size stalls to compact
size stalls. (It would require 51 standard
spaces to be restriped to compact size to
create three additional spaces, which was more
than 10% of the parking on the site. The
Parking Code limits compact spaces to 10% of
the parking provided.) It was staffs
recommendation that the Commission consider
a conditional use permit for joint use of parking
facilities to address the situation, and reported
that it would require a 8% reduction in the
parking required for daytime and nighttime uses
to reduce the parking required on the site to the
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454 spaces being provided. Resolution No.
486-96 was prepared which lays out the
findings that support allowing joint use of
parking at 8 percent.
Commissioner Brasaemle inquired if the
variance in ratios would result in a requirement
of 492 spaces and wanted to verify if the
conditional use permit was needed to get the
number down to the 454 spaces, which the
applicant is proposing. He also asked if the
maximum allowable cross-over between night
and day use is 50 percent and if Staff was
proposing only 8 percent?
Commissioner Stevenson inquired if there is
any alternative to the spaces the center is
losing for the storage area and why the 5,000
110 square feet is needed and for what use.
Mr. Streeter explained that they initially
proposed to expand the center further to the
south. In discussions with Staff, it was noted
that expansion in this direction would cause
more than one row of parking to be lost so they
reduced the expansion to save all but one row
of parking.
Chair Peterson brought up the signage at
Marios and how it would be affected by the
addition. Mr. Streeter explained that he
presumed that whoever rents the new area
would want to have it for their advertising and it
was explained that Marios could possibly move
over and the new tenant be put in between.
Commissioner Obert inquired if the new parking
computations included the elimination of the 23
spaces on the south side of the building.
Director Sheldon explained that yes, she
looked at the spaces that were in the expansion
area and that is why the parking count was
reduced from 477 to 454.
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Commissioner Miller referenced Page 2, part C,
of Resolution No. 485-96, and feels that adding
5000 square feet to the building does result in
actions from the applicant and wondered how
do we came up with 6000 square feet for new
restaurants. Director Sheldon explained that
the ratios of our Code create a hardship for a
shopping center of this size and that the
applicant did not choose the ratio, which she
feel causes an extraordinary parking demand.
The hardship is coming from the ratio rather
than from the footage proposed by the
applicant. She noted that the 6000 square feet
for the restaurants came from their plan.
Commissioner Brasaemle suggested leaving
the parking count for the current shopping
center as is, and use the ratios from the Code
• to calculate the amount of parking needed for
the expansion. He asked what percentage
reduction would be needed using the allowance
for daytime and nighttime uses to get to the 454
spaces being provided. He indicated his desire
to address the parking question with either a
variance or an allowance for daytime and
nighttime uses, but not both if possible.
Director Sheldon made some calculations in
order to answer Commissioner Brasaemle's
question and came up with 26 percent.
Director Sheldon explained that she believes it
is easier to show that with the ratios that there
is a problem and that we are fixing it rather than
using the day time/night time calculation.
Director Sheldon explained that if you apply the
current ratios to the square footage this is
changing, there would be 614 spaces required
but noted that there may be a problem with how
the 614 spaces were calculated.
Commissioner Stevenson inquired as to which
time would be the busiest for the shopping
center? He is concerned that if the ratios are
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not changed and instead a reduction for
daytime and nighttime uses is used, there
would not be enough parking at peak times.
Commissioner Brasaemle inquired what would
be the total number of parking spaces that
would be needed for the entire center including
the expansion. Director Sheldon replied that it
would be 1,035 spaces.
Commissioner Johnston expressed that he
feels that this proposal would be good for
Mounds View and is for granting this request
but it is a matter of how to do it.
Chair Peterson expressed that he had similar
feelings and thinks that the Planning
Commission needs to lay a more stable
S ground-work for any other cases that may come
up and he feels more comfortable with the
resolution as prepared which included the
variance in ratios.
Commissioner Obert said he is comfortable
with the way staff has prepared the resolution,
but shares the concerns that Commissioner
Stevenson raised regarding the day time/night
time mix. He feels that right now he does not
see a problem, but depending on future
tenants, such as a high-traffic store, there could
be a concern.
Commissioner Brasaemle noted that he feels
one advantage to granting a variance is that it
does not establish a precedent if the Council
rejects the conditional use permit and retracted
his proposal to eliminate the variance.
Commissioner Miller has concerns with losing
the 23 spaces by making the building 5,000
1111 square feet larger when there are already
vacant retail area and wondered if that might
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change if there were more traffic. Director
Sheldon explained that by adding the
restaurants you may get more interest in the
center. She also added that if people do go out
to dinner and then run errands to the other
businesses in the Center, they are still only
using one space.
Earl Hamilton, Sunrise Methodist Church,
7687 Long Lake Road, inquired if traffic from
the Center could accidentally overflow into their
church parking lot across the street? He did
note that they have not had a problem as of
yet. He is also concerned with the dumping of
garbage into the wetland adjacent to the
church. Commissioner Miller suggested that
signage, "Sunrise Church parking only" could
alleviate this concern.
• Motion/Second: Brasaemle/Brooks to approve
Resolution No. 485-96, as amended, regarding
approving a variance request in the parking
ratios applicable to the Mounds View Square
Shopping Center, Planning Case No. 463-95.
Commissioner Miller noted some corrections to
proposed Resolution No. 485-96: 1) Page 2,
line 1, "result" should read results, 2) third
whereas, item a, line 2, "or" should read of.
7 ayes 0 nays Motion Carried
Motion/Second: Brasaemle/Stevenson to
approve Resolution No. 486-96, as amended,
regarding recommending (this word was added
to the resolution) approving a conditional use
permit for the joint use of parking facilities at
Mounds View Square Shopping Center,
Planning Case No. 461-96.
• Commissioner Miller recommended that item 7
of the resolution may not be necessary.
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Director Sheldon stated this item indicates that
the variance cannot stand by itself. It was then
recommended that item 7 be added as a
"whereas" instead.
7 ayes 0 nays Motion Carried
Director Sheldon explained that the second
part of the request pertains to the signage for
the site. She noted that there have been some
changes in the proposal since the last Planning
Commission meeting. (At this time Director
Sheldon distributed pictures of four other
centers owned by the applicant showing
examples of signage). She explained that the
last time this item was before the Planning
Commission, the applicant was proposing a
sign 75 feet high and 800 square feet in area
ilk which they felt was needed so the shopping
center name and tenant names would appear
above the bridge. She explained that the
Planning Commission requested information
regarding how much of the sign would show
above the bridge and how the bridge would
look to a motorist traveling on Highway 10.
Director Sheldon explained that the City
Engineer did a study on how high the sign
would have to be to appear over the bridge at a
distance which a motorist would travel in 10
seconds at 50 mph. (Ten seconds was
considered the amount of time it would take a
motorist to decide to slow and turn into the
shopping center.) The study showed that if you
are 765 feet back from Long Lake Road and
the sign is placed in the area proposed by the
applicant, then the bridge will cover up to 52
feet of the sign and the sign will show above
the bridge railing from 52 feet upwards. She
went on to explained that on a 75 foot high
sign, 23 feet would show above the bridge
railing and you would only see the center
identification part of the sign. She informed the
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Commission that the applicant is now
proposing monument signage and a 50' high,
430 square foot identification sign. Signs
existing at the Mendota and Crystal centers
were reviewed and were noted to be similar to
the request being made by the applicant.
Director Sheldon went on to explain that once
you lower the sign, even to 50 feet, you cannot
see it over the bridge, so from Staffs
perspective, you have started to lose the
connection between the bridge and the need
for a variance. She expressed a concern that
granting a variance for a sign of this size would
set a precedent, and lead to other shopping
centers requesting this type of signage whether
there is a bridge or not. She suggested a
couple of possible ways to address this issue:
S one being to amend our sign regulations to
recognize that a shopping center of this size
may need more signage than we allow; the
other being, the applicant could request a
variance for the monument signage at the
driveway entrances based on the impact of the
bridge, and have a pylon sign of a size that
meets the City's code. She explained that
another possibility could be to amend our Code
to allow for a "sign package" which would allow
the shopping center customized sign
regulations which would need to be approved
by the Planning Commission. She further
explained that another possibility would be to
grant a "floating box" of signage from the top of
the railing up to the 75 feet, with a condition on
the variance that the bridge must be built and
the City have six months in which to update our
sign regulations. If the Sign Code is changed
to allow the signage, the "floating box" could
not be used. Director Sheldon suggested that
perhaps the Planning Commission could table
• this item until a firmer proposal is made and
more information is obtained from the applicant.
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Commissioner Brasaemle wanted to make it
clear that this variance request is contingent
upon the bridge being built and that whatever
variance the Planning Commission passes
needs to have this clause in it.
JoAnn Colleen, 2617 County Road 1, inquired
as to why the parking and the sign is a concern
now if we don't even know if the bridge or the
dinner house restaurants will be built. It was
explained that before the applicant even
considers building the restaurants, they would
need to know if adequate parking is available to
inform future tenants and it is only the sign
request that is related to the construction of
the bridge. It was added, that it was easier to
come to the Planning Commission with both of
these items at once. She also expressed her
concern about the construction of a lighted sign
and with a tall sign being seen from her
window. She also expressed concern with
other businesses possibly wanting taller signs.
Earl Hamilton, Sunrise Methodist Church,
7687 Long Lake Road, explained a signage
situation that he experienced as a resident of
the City of Blaine and that the business was
required to reduce its signage so that it did not
take away from the surrounding businesses
and homes or they would not get a building
permit.
At this time, John Streeter, addressed the
Planning Commission showing drawings of
other shopping centers and explaining their
proposed sign size and location of the pylon
sign in respect to Mounds View Square. He
explained that the request for Mounds View
Square is very similar to the sign and its
location as it currently exists at the Mendota
Shopping Center. He pointed out that the signs
are sized by traffic engineers and engineering
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firms that are in the field of sign design and
when they are told the approximate location of
the sign, they statistically figure the size of the
sign and letters to attract the attention of
passing traffic. He did note that the engineers
have not yet been brought into this case and
that the information that is applied in this
particular case is based on past signage and is
approximate.
Discussion continued between the applicant
and the Planning Commission regarding the
similarities of the Mendota sign and the
proposed sign for Mounds View Square.
Commissioner Johnston expressed his concern
with the possibility of other Mounds View
Square tenants requesting separate signage
for their businesses. He asked for more
information on how a sign program would work.
Director Sheldon explained that shopping
centers of this size often need a
comprehensive sign package which includes
individual tenant signage, signage for the pad
sites in the parking lot, entry signs and an
overall center identification sign. Some cities
allow the pad sites to have pole signs and .
some monument signs. Some allow
restaurants or other businesses on pad sites to
have wall signs. A sign package or program
allows some control over design, letter style
and colors so you get an overall, coordinated
appearance. A comment was made that a sign
program is similar to a PUD for signs.
Commissioner Brasaemle inquired about the
signage for the other pad sites at Mounds View
Square, specifically the proposed dinner house
restaurants. The applicant responded by
saying that tenants can be very demanding and
usually request a pylon sign, but if the pad is
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too good to pass up they may go with the
monument sign. Commissioner Brasaemle
explained that possibly a monument sign,
especially for the Bridgeman's site, may be
more suitable and easier to see in this case
because of the proposed bridge. He explained
that we should address all the signs, not just
the one sign, because if we deal with each of
the other signs individually we could end up
with something we don't really want.
Commissioner Obert expressed his concern
that if we approved some type of sign package,
later on down the road it may not fit with the
entire picture of what we are looking at for the
proposed Highway 10 corridor.
Director Sheldon informed the Commission that
at the last Council work session, there was
discussion on hiring a consulting firm on
looking at a section of Highway 10 that is
further to the north of Mounds View Square.
The Planning Commission inquired if, along
that section of Highway 10, the consultant will
be looking at some design theme, and added if
they are thinking big picture this should be a
suitable theme that could be extended further
along Highway 10. Director Sheldon believes
that if the Planning Commission sets a good
standard on this site, we will be okay on other
shopping center sites that propose different
signage.
Commissioner Obert again expressed some
concern and thinks the Planning Commission
needs to make sure that these standards are
set high enough.
Commissioner Brasaemle inquired as to what
the applicant's general sense of what dinner
house restaurant tenant feelings are on pylon
versus monument signage. Mr. Edward Paster
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replied that usually the tenant wants an
identification sign that separates them from
everyone else and that monument signage may
not always be accepted as the desired signage
for their site. He also indicated that promoting
the name of the tenants seems to now be the
trend. He thinks that if we have the monument
sign near the area where the pond and the
proposed bridge will be located, as Staff as
indicated, it would be innovative and a
somewhat different approach. He added that it
may take some convincing the restaurant that it
would be adequate, but he would make a real
hard sell for going to the monument sign with
the tenant's name on it and eliminating the
pylon sign for the tenant. He generally thinks
the concept would work but may be a very hard
sell.
Chair Peterson inquired if the Planning
Commission had everything they needed to
give this case further consideration. Director
Sheldon at this time indicated that she needs
from the applicant a diagram that shows the
locations where they want the signage and also
a drawing of the signage itself as to what the
package is that goes with the variance. She
suggested then that if the Planning
Commission is in agreement that shopping
centers need to be looked at again in terms of
how signage is handled, especially centers this
large, a provision can be worked on that would
allow for sign packages. She indicated that
she could come back with the proposal for the
center identification signs which the applicant
feels are needed because of the bridge and
can then get working on the overall signage.
Commissioner Stevenson suggested that the
Commission explore what the signage is of
• other similar centers along Highway 10, such
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as Northtown Commons and on the other side
near Rainbow Foods and others in the area.
JoAnn Colleen, 2617 County Road I, inquired
as to whether the requested monument signage
would also be located at the entrance on the
north side of the shopping center and Mr.
Streeter replied that they had not considered it.
Motion/Second: Miller/Johnston to table the
discussion of the signage for Mounds View
Square until their next agenda meeting.
7 ayes 0 nays Motion Carried
Director Sheldon requested that the Planning
Commission consider calling to order at their
meeting on November 20 to take action on this
item and it was the Planning Commission's
consensus that it would be a possibility that
they would call to order contingent upon
receiving the adequate information regarding
this case.
Mr. Jim Price and Darwin Lindahl, representing 6. Information Meeting
the applicant, Saturn Development, were Regarding the
present. Request from Saturn
Development to
Community Development Director Sheldon Amend a Conditional
reviewed the case from Saturn Development Use Permit, 2375 and
Company for the expansion of the existing 2395 Highway 10,
dealership in Mounds View located at 2375 Planning Case No.
Highway 10. Director Sheldon explained that 464-96
Saturn is proposing to develop the property that
is now occupied by the CITGO gas station at
2395 Highway 10. She reminded the
Commission that they did receive a detailed
site plan at their last meeting. She informed
the Commission that the applicant, after review
• of the Staff report, has revised their drawing to
add the trash enclosure. She continued by
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saying there were two issues of concern; the
first had to do with the amount of landscaping
required on the site, and she indicated that they
do have sufficient landscaping to meet the ten
percent requirement, and the other item had to
do with signage. She explained that the
existing site has a pylon-style sign that
identifies the dealership and a monument sign
that identifies the used cars and that Saturn is
proposing to add two monument signs at the
entrances to the dealership, one on County
Road H2 and the other along Highway 10, that
would be the same size as the one existing (8.5
feet high by 5 feet wide) for a total of 42.7
square feet. Staff does not have any objections
to the sign from an aesthetic standpoint and the
ordinance indicates that they are within the
area allowed, but the Code does not allow for
4 this number or the proposed placement of
signs. She informed the Commission that the
total area of signage permitted on the site
allows 100 square feet of wall signage and a
340 foot pylon sign which totals 440 square
feet. She informed them that the existing pylon
sign is 100 square feet, the existing wall sign in
50 square feet, and the monument sign for
used cars is 42 square feet for a total of 200
square feet which leaves 240 square feet. The
additional monument signs are 85 square feet.
She noted that the Code does not address
monument signs at entrances and asked for
direction from the Planning Commission on
whether signage could be redistributed through
a variance, because it is less than the signage
allowed and it improves how the site functions.
Commissioner Miller asked if Saturn's request
was actually more of a directional type signage
and Director Sheldon indicated that Saturn's
request is for signage slightly larger than what
4111 is accepted as directional signage. Separate
from the signage, Director Sheldon stated that
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all aspects of the plan for the site are fine and
recommended that the conditional use permit
that allows them to expand the site and add the
additional repair services and car wash be
approved.
Elaine Johnson, 2287 County Road H2,
expressed her concern with the existing lighting
of the dealership. She also indicated that when
Saturn was built, they said they were going to
have only oil change services and they were
told that there would not be any other facilities
for repair work.
Concern with noise from the trucks coming from
and going to the business park was also
expressed and that they have called the City
numerous times but nothing is ever done.
• The Commission inquired as to what lighting
was causing the concern (e.g. the service door
being opened). Ms. Johnson indicated that it
was the general lighting being bright and that at
times the lighting is on all night.
The applicant indicated that the lights are on
timers and only the security lighting is on all
night. He also indicated that the Police have
requested that they keep more of their lighting
on all night but they indicated that they would
not. He added that the lights go off
automatically at 11:00 p.m.
Mr. Jim Price, of Saturn Development,
presented a sketch showing the lighting
standards for the site and further discussion
took place regarding this issue.
Chair Peterson suggested that in the future, in
the public hearing notices that are sent to
residents, perhaps we can inform the residents
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that they can stop by City Hall if they desire to
examine the materials for each case.
Brian Kraft, 5290 Pinewood Court, requested
that perhaps the lighting can be turned off an
hour earlier and suggested that perhaps they
be turned off around 10:00 p.m. He indicated
that he does have many tall trees in his yard
that does block much of the lighting, however,
some does come through at night. He is okay
with adding additional service area and lighting,
but is requesting that it be turned off earlier and
that possibly the service door be kept closed
by 10:00 p.m.
Chair Peterson expressed his concern with
the hours of operation and Commissioner Miller
reminded the Commission that the original
conditional use permit indicates that the hours
of operation shall be from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00
p.m. Director Sheldon wanted to make it clear
to the applicant that if the conditional use
permit states this, that the employees should
not be working past 10:00 p.m. Mr. Price
informed the Commission that there was a
period of time where the service department
was working past 10:00 p.m. because of their
full capacity, but indicated that with additional
service bays, it should eliminate this problem.
Elaine Johnson, 2287 County Road H2,
again expressed her disappointment because
she felt she was promised by the City Council
that it would just be oil changes and that is why
it was approved. She also expressed concern
with the traffic on the County Road H2 entrance
to the service area and with the speakers and
paging system. Mr. Price indicated that the
original permit allows for a paging system, but
does not allow playing music and they have not
411 done that.
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Chair Peterson expressed that he is pleased
with Saturn's operation and until this evening
had not heard of any complaints.
Mr. Price again expressed that the reason they
are requesting the expansion is due to
customer demand.
Commissioner Stevenson inquired as to what
the applicant's time frame is regarding the
expansion. The applicant indicated that it
would probably take place in the Spring but that
they need to close on the land because there
are tanks on the CITGO property. These tanks
are not leaking now, but they want to remove
them as soon as possible so they may close on
the property as soon as possible.
• Commissioner Brasaemle expressed that he
understands the concerns of the residents but
he does think this development is good for
Mounds View and that Saturn does have a
good reputation, and he too is concerned with
the potential environmental problems of the
existing gas station and that the tanks probably
have not been upgraded and probably will not
be upgraded to current standards.
(Commissioner Brooks left at 9:30 p.m.)
Chair Peterson asked the applicant if it is
normal not to have gas pumps at the Saturn
facility? Mr. Price indicated that they do not
install gas pumps at any of their stores because
of the problems with tanks.
Commissioner Miller inquired as to how we
address the concerns of the adjacent property
owner and with the promise of the Council that
there would be oil changes only? Director
Sheldon responded by saying that the applicant
has the right to apply for the expansion.
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Commissioner Brasaemle recommended that
the Council address this issue since they made
the promise and because they will take final
action on this request.
Chair Peterson reminded the Commission that
a couple of years ago there was an application
made for another service facility in Mounds
View and as part of the process, a model set of
guidelines was put together for services and
hours of operation and perhaps we could
review these guidelines.
Commissioner Brasaemle asked the resident at
2287 County Road H2 what it was like when
Loose Ends was on the site as far as parking
and lighting. The resident indicated that the
lighting was not as bright but parking and hours
• of operation were a problem.
Commissioner Miller indicated that in the
original conditional use permit it was stated that
only minor repairs and maintenance shall be
allowed on site excluding major engine
overhaul, transmission replacement, and body
work. Director Sheldon indicated that this has
been replaced with a new condition which is
noted on Page 7 of Resolution No. 483-96.
Director Sheldon reminded the Commission
that this item is in front of the Commission for
action this evening and indicated that the
signage issue is not included in the proposed
resolution, and would need to be addressed at
a later time. Director Sheldon noted that the
Commission needed to take action this evening
in order for this case to be heard at the City
Council on November 25.
It was concluded that the concerns with the
• lighting brought before the Planning
Commission this evening were with the original
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• Regular Meeting Page 21
lighting. Director Sheldon at this time recited
the section on "glare" in the Zoning Code which
indicates that any lighting used to illuminate off-
street parking shall be arranged to deflect light
away from adjoining residential property and
that the source of the lighting shall be hooded
or controlled. She indicated that the Code
gives a measurement of how much light is to be
at the property line and that these
measurements will tell you if direct rays are
going off the site. She indicated that the
measurements of the Saturn facility show that
the light levels at the property line are within
the limits in the Code, although you may still be
able to see the point of light and our Code does
not control this.
Commissioner Stevenson pointed out that with
• the expansion, it will not increase the existing
amount of light.
Elaine Johnson, 2287 County Road H2,
expressed concern with why they were not
notified of the work session meeting. Director
Sheldon explained that the Planning
Commission is not approving this item, and that
they are only making a recommendation to the
City Council. She further explained that the
City is not required to give any notice at the
Planning Commission level, only of the City
Council public hearing, and that we have
recently added notices at the Planning
Commission level to make sure residents are
informed earlier in the process. She added that
we could notify residents of the work session
also, but indicated that the City mainly wants to
make sure people are here for the meeting
where the decision is made.
Chair Peterson asked Director Sheldon to
review the conditions contained in proposed
Resolution No. 483-96. Director Sheldon noted
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that some of the items were brought in from the
original conditional use permit and some were
new.
Commissioner Stevenson requested that in
item 1 of the conditions that a Park Fund
Dedication fee requirement be added. There
was brief discussion on procedures of
replatting of the property or perhaps vacating
the lot line and also requiring a park dedication
fee. Director Sheldon indicated the Staffs
reason for the condition is that we need to deal
with the Building Code and the question of
setbacks because this property includes three
lots, but it was not Staffs intent to raise the
issue of park dedication. She indicated that
she would consult with our City Attorney
regarding the proper procedures for removing
• the lot line and with the Building Official
regarding Building Code requirements. She
suggested that the condition be reworded to
say prior to the issuance of any grading or
building permits, the property owner shall
vacate the lot line between 2375 and 2385
Highway 10 if deemed necessary by the City
Attorney.
Commissioner Obert requested that the
condition regarding prohibiting welding on the
site be removed from the resolution.
Motion/Second: Miller/Peterson approved
Resolution No. 483-96 recommending
approval of an amended conditional use permit
and a development review for the expansion of
the Saturn Dealership at 2375 and 2395
Highway 10, Planning Case No. 464-96.
5 ayes 0 nays 1 abstention Motion Carried
• (Commissioner Stevenson abstained due to his
son being employed at the Saturn Dealership.)
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Chair Peterson informed the applicant that this
item will be heard by the City Council on
November 25.
Planning Associate Ericson provided an update 7. Staff Reports/
on Planning Case No. 460-96: Auto Central Information Items
which was heard at the October 7, 1996
meeting. He explained that he contacted the
applicants to inform them of the Commission's
concerns with the site and Staff's
recommendations, and the applicants indicated
that there were problems with the lease and,
therefore, they asked for the case to be put on
hold and so it was removed from the November
6 agenda. Mr. Ericson added that this week
the applicants indicated that there is a
possibility that it may now go through and so
requested a meeting with Staff to go over the
• Planning Commission's requirements.
Coincidently, he had a meeting with Norwest
Bank, which owns the site, and possible buyers
that had a very similar proposal for the same
location. He also noted that the bank offered
the property to the City, but after seeing that
the property had a lot more interest, they
pulled back their offer. He indicated that Cathy
Bennett, our Economic Development
Coordinator, was preparing a resolution for the
City Council to authorize Staff to negotiate
purchase of the property if the bank changes its
mind and, once again, offers it to the City.
Community Development Director Sheldon
informed the Planning Commission of items
that are scheduled to be heard at their next
meeting; the variances on the signs for Paster
Enterprises and for Saturn Development, a lot
split request from Larry Beach, and a draft
ordinance regarding the telecommunications
issue.
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Director Sheldon informed the Commission that
she had learned from church officials that the
New Apostolic Church's purchase contract for
the property located at 3025 County Road H
was no longer valid and the application for
building a church at that location was denied by
the Council based on the fact that there was no
purchase agreement in place. She also
indicated that there is a rumor that the property
has been sold to a person who plans to fix up
the house, then eventually tear it down to build
a new house on the site but that there is some
confusion as to who actually has the rights to
sell the property.
The ordinance on revised site sizes and
setbacks for churches and other non-residential
uses will be on Council agenda for first reading
• and public hearing at their meeting on
November 12. She asked the Commissioners if
any of them would like to attend the meeting to
represent the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Obert indicated that he would be
there.
It was also noted that both Commissioners
Obert and Miller attended the Council work
session on November 4 to represent the
Planning Commission regarding communication
between commissions. Commissioner Obert
commented that Commissioner Miller made a
very good presentation but that the Council was
unresponsive and he expressed his concern
with the communication problem. Director
Sheldon suggested that this item be discussed
at the retreat that will be scheduled between
Staff and the City Council.
Director Sheldon stated that she had included
the latest issue of the "Planning Commissioners
41 Journal" in their packet.
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• Regular Meeting Page 25
Chair Peterson noted the members present at 8. Chairperson and
the October 23, 1996 special meeting, which Planning
included Commissioners Miller, Obert, Brooks, Commissioners
Stevenson, and Chair Peterson. Reports
(Commissioners Johnston and Brasaemle had
excused absences). Planning Associate
Ericson was also present.
Commissioner Johnston brought up a concern
regarding the conditional use permit that was
approved for Colonial Village Mobile Home
Park approximately one year ago which allowed
them to sell homes. He indicated that this
permit should be coming up for review. He
informed the Commission that he has received
complaints regarding the Park and added that
there are people in the park that are unhappy
about it.
• There being no further business before the 9. Adjournment
Planning Commission, Chair Peterson
adjourned the meeting at 10:36 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
PkAXA-161,--
Pamela Sheldon
Community Development Director
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ID MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
RESOLUTION NO. 483-96
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
COUNTY OF RAMSEY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT AND A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR EXPANSION OF THE SATURN
DEALERSHIP AT 2375 AND 2395 HIGHWAY 10; PLANNING CASE NO. 464-96.
WHEREAS, Saturn Development has requested City approval to expand its dealership at
2375 Highway 10 to include the property at 2395 Highway 10, to expand building square footage
and add a car wash, and to expand the types of repair services available; and
WHEREAS, the property is in the B-3 Highway Business District, which requires
approval of a conditional use permit for motor vehicle and recreation equipment sales and garages
accessory thereto, and for car washes; and,
WHEREAS, the purpose of conditional use permits is"to provide the City with a
reasonable degree of discretion in determining the suitability of certain designated uses upon the
general welfare, public health and safety; and,
• WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has reviewed the following documents regarding
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this proposal:
1. Planning Application dated 10-7-96
2. Zoning Map
3. Staff Report dated October 9, 1996
4. Staff Report dated November 6, 1996
5. Letter from Francis J. Coyle dated 10/7/96
6. City Council Resolution 4195
7. City Council Resolution 4611
8. Site Plan dated 10/30/96
9. Landscape Plan dated 10/30/96
10. Floorplan& Building Elevations received 10/4/96
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby make the following findings of fact
regarding the requirements set forth in Sections 1114.04, Subd. 8, 1114.04, Subd. 3, 1114.04,
Subd. 2, and Section 1125.01 Subd. 3:
A. Dimensional Requirements & Hours of Operation
• Minimum Required Provided Met?
Lot Area 87,120 sq.ft. and 142,703 sq.ft. yes
Lot Width 150 feet 764 feet yes
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Number of Lots Single or Contiguous yes yes
Setbacks
Front 30 feet 76 feet yes
Side 10 feet 184 feet(east side) yes
232 feet(west side) yes
Rear 20 feet 36 feet yes
Landscaped Greenspace 10%or 10,445 sq.ft. 33,606 sq.ft. yes
Parking 22 spaces(service) 20 spaces(service) no'
27 spaces(employees) 35 spaces(employees) yes
126 spaces(inventory)2
Hours of Operation 7:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m. 7:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m. yes
B. Building and Site Design; Landscaping (Section 1114.04, Subd. 2.a., 3.b., 2.f., 3.c.,
8.e., 3.f, 2.c., 3.i., 8.1., 8.m.)
The proposal is an extension of the existing Saturn dealership. The applicant is
maintaining the same architectural character in the building expansion as is in the original,
. and will be landscaping the added site area so the effect will be one seamless development.
All areas which are not in building or landscaping will be paved and the parking area will
be bordered by a concrete curb. The site does not border property in a residential district
and therefore screening and buffering is not required. A landscaped area at least 10 feet in
width is shown along all of the property lines. The landscape plan shows a row of Black
Hills Spruce along the north property line of the added site area which matches the
existing site. The frontage along Highway 10 will be sodded as is the existing site.
C. Lighting and Signage (Section 1114.04, Subd. 2.h., 3.g., 8.h., 2.d., 3.j. 2.j., 3.m., 8.k.)
The applicant is proposing to install additional light standards on the expanded site area
which are the same style as the existing light standards, and they will be located in a
similar pattern. The original plans submitted for this development included a detail of the
light fixtures which are shielded in compliance with the ordinance. The light standards will
be in landscaped areas and not in the parking lot.
1 With compliance with conditions,the proposal will meet the requirement for 22 spaces for
customers.
• 2 The Zoning Code does not have any specific requirement for parking spaces for inventory or
display.
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The applicant is proposing two additional monument signs on the site: one at the
northernmost driveway on Highway 10 and one at the easternmost driveway on County
Road H2. Both of these signs would have the same dimensions as the existing monument
sign on Highway 10 (42.7 square feet). The applicant's reason for the additional signage
is to better identify driveway entrances and direct customer traffic. The total signage on
the site including the new signage would be:
• existing pylon sign 10'x 10' on 26' high supports; area= 100 sq.ft.
• existing wall sign 23" x 26.5'; area= 50.8 sq.ft.
• used car sign, ground mounted 8' 6-1/2" x 5'=42.7 sq.ft.
• two new ground mounted 8' 6-1/2" x 5'= 85.4 sq.ft.
• miscellaneous small directional signs
Total Signage=278.9 sq. ft.
Total Permitted= 100 sq. ft. of signage per tenant; 340 sq. ft. pylon sign=440 sq.ft.
The signage on the site is well within the total signage area allowed. Square footage has
been redistributed to the monument signs from the allowances for tenant and pylon signs.
• The allowance for the two additional monument signs requires approval of a variance by
the Planning Commission, which is noted in the conditions on this recommendation of
approval.
D. Drainage (Section 1114.04 Subd. 2.g., 3.e., 8.f.)
This conditional use permit combines two existing, developed commercial sites. Changes
in drainage patterns are not anticipated. A condition on this recommendation of approval
requires favorable review by the City Engineer prior to forwarding the application to City
Council.
E. Outdoor Storage, Sales and Service (Section 1114.04 Subd. 3.k., 3.o., 3.p., 8.i.)
No outdoor sales or servicing is conducted on this site, other than customers viewing cars
in inventory in the parking lot. There are no abutting residential districts, and therefore,
the screening requirements do not apply. Sufficient space for car inventory has been
provided so it will not infringe on required customer, service and employee parking.
F. Accessory Building (Section 1114.04 Subd. 8.j.)
The accessory buildings are proposed.
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G. Noise (Section 1114.04 Subd. 2.k., 3.n., 8.p., 8.q.)
The original approval including a condition regarding the use of outside loudspeakers,
which has been added to the list of conditions on this recommendation of approval. The
Planning Commission is not aware of any problems regarding noise on this site.
H. Access/Test Drive Routes (Section 1114.04 Subd. 2.i. 3.1., 8.o.)
The applicant is proposing two driveway entrances on Highway 10 and two on County
Road H2, and removal of two of the driveway entrances on the Citgo property. The
driveways to be removed are closest to the Highway 10/County Road H2 intersection.
This will improve traffic patterns in the area and remove a conflict point.
The original approval including a condition regarding test drive routes, which has been
added to the list of conditions on this recommendation of approval.
I. Stacking Space (Car Wash) (Section 1114.04 Subd. 2.b., 2.e.)
The car wash proposed for this site is for customer cars only and not for the general
public. The business owner has the ability to control the flow of cars, and the volume of
cars is expected to be less than would be the case with a stand alone car wash business
open to the public. The site does not abut residential districts. The area behind the car
wash faces a business, and will be screened by Black Hills Spruce.
J. Fuel Pumps (Section 1114.04 Subd 3.h.)
No fuel pumps are proposed at this facility; this criteria does not apply.
K. Criteria for Approval of Conditional Use Permits (Section 1125.01 Subd. 3)
(1) The use will not create an excessive burden on existing parks,schools,streets and other
public facilities and utilities which serve or are proposed to serve the area.
The proposal represents an expansion of an existing business. The site is served by an
existing arterial highway and a County road, such that traffic can access the site without
going through the residential neighborhoods. The site is served by utilities. Because the
proposal is for a business, no burden on parks or schools is anticipated.
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(2) The use will be sufficiently compatible or separated by distance or screening from adjacent
residentially zoned or used land so that existing homes will not be depreciated in value and
there will be not deterrence to development of vacant land.
(3) The structure and site will have an appearance that will not have an adverse effect upon
adjacent residential properties.
The site is bordered on the north and south by roadways, and abuts a business and
industrial park on the east side. The existing site and proposed expansion shows a
attractive combination of buffering and landscaping around the entire perimeter, and this
business helps in creating an appealing gateway to Mounds View and to the residential
neighborhoods north of Highway 10. It serves as an example of high quality development
for potential developers of property in the area.
(4) The use,in the opinion of the[Planning Commission],is reasonably related to the overall
needs of the City and to the existing land use.
The expansion of the Saturn dealership to take in the Citgo property will help unify this
corner, and allow an attractive and successful business additional room. Providing more
• room for inventory and expanding the range of services available to Saturn's customers
may translate into more tax revenue to the City. Expansion of the Saturn dealership will
also help in strengthening the vitality and enhancing the appearance of the Highway 10
corridor. This corridor is very important to the long run economic health of the City.
(5) The use is consistent with the purposes of the Zoning Code and the purposes of the zoning
district in which the applicant intends to locate the proposed use.
The purpose of the B-3 district is to provide for and limit the establishment of motor
vehicle oriented or dependent commercial and service activities. It allows for auto repair
businesses with approval of a conditional use permit. The applicant's proposal fits within
the limits envisioned by the ordinance for the B-3 district, and its location along Highway
10 is logical and appropriate.
(6) The use is not in conflict with the Comprehensive Plan of the City.
The most recent discussion of comprehensive goals for the City was the Mounds View
2000 project in 1994. The Vision Statement from the Growth, Development and Business
Issue Project Team stated:
"The City of Mounds View will be known as a city with a balance between business and
residential concerns. There will be a positive business climate as shown by public-private
• collaboration to recruit,encourage,and retain successful,community-based enterprises with
emphasis on job expansion,increase in tax base,and quality of life. There will be a
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cooperative spirit between the government and citizens,whether residential or business,
when setting regulations into code. Environmental and aesthetic consciousness will be
demonstrated by a redesigned Highway 10,a network of inter-connected trails,parks,and
wetland spaces,and active citizen participation in ecological activities."
Two goals relative to Highway 10, and a goal on business climate, were adopted and are
included in an attachment to this report. The expansion of the Saturn dealership furthers
these goals, and is supported.
(7) The use will not cause traffic hazards or congestion.
The site has adequate access from an arterial highway. No added traffic congestion is
expected. Eliminating one of the driveways on Highway 10 and County Road H2 will
reduce traffic hazards and conflict points.
(8) Adequate utilities,access roads,drainage and necessary facilities have been or will be
provided.
The proposal will use a previously developed site which is served by existing utilities and
111 roads. There is an existing drainage ditch along Highway 10. This recommendation of
approval includes a condition that a favorable review be received from MnDOT and the
Rice Creek Watershed District.
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby find that the conditional use permit
request as submitted by Saturn Development, and with compliance with the conditions stated in
this resolution, meets the criteria set forth in Sections 1114.04, Subd. 2, 3, and 8 and Section
1125.01.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the City Council of the City of Mounds View that the conditional use
permit be granted, and the request for development review be approved, subject to the following
conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of any grading or building permits, the property owner shall
vacate the lot line between 2375 and 2395 Highway 10, if deemed necessary by the
City Attorney.
2. Outside signage shall be limited to that allowed by the Municipal Code, or as
allowed in any variance approved by the City. Prior to installation of the two
additional monument signs shown at the westernmost driveway on Highway 10
• and the easternmost driveway on County Road H2, the property owner shall
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obtain approval for a variance for sign area allowed on the site, in signs other than
the pylon sign, or for a code revisions which would allow this additional sign area.
3. Prior to this case being forwarded to the City Council for action, the applicant shall
revise the plans to include the following:
a. A detail on the site plan of the lighting fixtures, showing style of luminare
and dimensions of lighting standards
b. A note on the site plan stating"Signage shown on this plan is subject to
separate permit. The monument signs shown at the westernmost entrance
on Highway 10 and the easternmost entrance on County Road H2 exceed
the standard sign allowances for sign area in the Mounds View Municipal
Code and are not approved as part of this plan. These signs may be
allowed if approval of a variance is obtained from the City of Mounds
View."
c. Revision to the distribution of parking spaces so there are 22 spaces for
• service customers and at least 27 spaces for employees. A detail shall be
added to the plan showing how the spaces or areas of the parking are to be
signed to make it clear where customer and employee parking are located.
4. Prior to this case being forwarded to the City Council for action, the applicant shall
obtain written comments from the City Engineer and Rice Creek Watershed
District indicating that the plan will provide adequate site drainage.
5. Prior to this case being forwarded to the City Council for action, the applicant shall
provide the City with a copy of the test drive route described in the map dated
2/19/92 and refcrred to in Rcsolution 4195.
6. Vehicle repair, servicing and maintenance are permitted on this site, excluding
body work and painting. All car repairs shall be conducted within the indoor
service bays and not outside the service building.
7. A vehicle wash bay is permitted on this site. The use of this bay shall be for
customers of the dealership only and not the general public. The stacking of
vehicles waiting for washing shall be confined to this site and shall not interfere
with vehicle circulation on the site.
• 8. Any cars taken on trade and not intended for resale shall not remain on the site for
a period of time exceeding 72 hours.
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9. No outside merchandizing of accessories shall be allowed.
10. All transport truck deliveries and pick-up shall be conducted on site during regular
business hours.
11. Outside loudspeakers shall be utilized for paging purpose only.
12. The hours of operation shall be from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
Where the conditions contained in this resolution differ from those stated in Resolution 4195 and
4611, the conditions stated in this resolution shall prevail.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Planning Commission directs Staff to forward
this resolution to the City Council prior to approval of the minutes.
Adopted this 6th day of November, 1996
•
Jerry Pete on, hairperson
ATTEST:
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Pamela Sheldon
Community Development Director
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MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
RESOLUTION NO. 485-96
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
COUNTY OF RAMSEY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
RESOLUTION APPROVING A VARIANCE REQUEST IN TILL PARKING RATIOS
APPLICABLE TO THE MOUNDS VIEW SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER AT 2535-2585
HIGHWAY 10; PLANNING CASE NO. 463-96.
WHEREAS, Mounds View Square Assoc. LLP has applied for a variance in the parking
ratios applicable to the Mounds View Square Shopping Center at 2535-2585 Highway 10, which
property is described as follows:
Part lying northeasterly of the centerline of State Trunk Highway 10 of NE 1/4
of N 1/4(Subject to Roads and Highways) in Section 7, Township 30, Range 23
WHEREAS, the Mounds View Square Shopping Center is located in the B-3 zoning
district; and,
WHEREAS, the site plan for the Mounds View Square Shopping Center was approved in
110 1989 which the provision of 503 parking spaces; and,
WHEREAS, the property owner obtained approval of a variance in parking requirements
to allow the use of 26 parking spaces for construction of trash dumpster enclosures, which
resulted in the reduction of parking on the site from 503 to 477 spaces; and,
WHEREAS, the City has determined by previous decisions that the 477 parking spaces
are sufficient to provide parking for the square footages and uses approved for the Mounds View
Square Shopping Center; and,
WHEREAS, the property owner is proposing to make the following changes in square
footages and uses on the site at some time in the future:
Existing Existing+Expansion
Use Square Footage Square Footage
Retail: 62,005 66,005 (+4,000)
Storage: 16,645 17,645 (+1,000)
Dining: 8,050 11,290(+3240 net)
Kitchen: 6,060 7,320 (+1260 net)
Ma1VMaintenance/Restrooms 9,275 9,275
Total 102,035 111,535
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WHEREAS, the change in the square footages results from the removal of the Hardee's
and Bridgeman's Restaurants (4,800 sq.ft. in dining and 2,700 sq.ft. in kitchen) and the addition
of two larger dinner house style restaurants, and the addition of 4,000 square feet of retail space
and 1,000 square feet of storage space in the main retail building; and,
WHEREAS, the Mounds View Planning Commission has reviewed the request of Mounds
View Square Assoc. LLP to allow a variance in the parking ratios applicable to the Mounds View
Square Shopping Center, as follows:
Retail Space 4.5 spaces per 1000 square feet
Dinner House Style Restaurants 1 space per 80 square feet of dining or kitchen area
Storage,Etc no parking requirement for areas in storage,maintenance,
restrooms or the enclosed mall area
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby make the following findings of fact
regarding the requirements for granting of variances as set forth in Section 1125.02 Subd. 2 of
the Mounds View Zoning Code:
. a. Exceptional or extraordinary circumstances apply to the property which do not apply
generally to other properties in the same zone or vicinity and result from lot size or shape,
topography or other circumstances over which the owners of the property since the effective
date hereof have had no control.
c. That the special conditions or circumstances do not result from the actions of the applicant.
Mounds View Square is the largest shopping center in Mounds View, and it is in this
shopping center that the effect of a higher-than-typical parking ratio, established by the
City, has its greatest effect. The shopping center has been operating successfully at a
much lower ratio (4.67 spaces per 1000 gross square feet) than is required for retail space
in the City's parking regulations (10 spaces per 1000 square feet). A parking demand
study completed in 1989 by Benshoof and Associates reported that the Urban Land
Institute performed in-depth research on a combined total of approximately 170 shopping
centers. (This study is a part of the file on the rezoning for Hardee's Restaurant.) This
research showed that a parking ratio of 4.0 spaces per 1000 square feet is adequate for all
but the busiest 19 hours of the year. The applicant has not caused the multiplier effect of a
higher-than-typical parking ratio on the size of his shopping center.
The development of dinner house style restaurants is not anticipated by the parking
regulations which require one parking space for every 40 square feet of dining area and
one parking space for every 80 square feet of kitchen. Typical ratios for dinner house
restaurants are one space for every 80 square feet of gross square footage, to recognize
the slower turnover of customers.
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e. That the variance requested is the minimum variance which would alleviate the hardship.
Economic conditions alone shall not be considered a hardship.
The parking ratios for retail square footage in the Mounds View Zoning Code create an
excessive requirement for shopping centers of this size. The City's parking ratio at one
space per 100 feet is more than twice the ratio used in other nearby jurisdictions, and
when applied to a shopping center of over 100,000 square feet, creates a burdensome
requirement. The more typical requirement is 4.0 - 5.0 spaces per 1000 square feet.
Allowing the use of 4.5 spaces per 1000 square feet for retail space is the minimum
variance needed to address the hardship. The parking ratios for restaurants also create an
excessive requirement for dinner house style restaurants, since these restaurants have a
slower turnover of customers. The minimum adjustment needed in parking ratios for
dinner house style restaurants is to require one parking space for each 80 square feet of
gross floor area.
b. The literal interpretation of the provisions of this Title would deprive the applicant of rights
commonly enjoyed by other properties in the same district under the terms of this Title.
• d. That granting the variance requested will not confer on the applicant any special privilege
that is denied by this Title to owners of other lands,structures or buildings in the same
district.
Owners of shopping centers similar in size to Mounds View Square and of dinner house
style restaurants would face the same difficulty that the applicant is experiencing due to
the higher-than-typical parking ratio for these uses in the Zoning Code. Using a ratio of
10 spaces per 1000 square feet for retail space, and 1 space per 40 square feet for dining
space requires an excessive investment in parking which is especially acute with the
shopping center of this size.
f. The variance would not be materially detrimental to the purpose of this Title or to other
property in the same zone.
g. The proposed variance will not impair an adequate supply of light and air to adjacent
property or substantially increase the congestion of the public streets or increase the danger
of fire or endanger the public safety or substantially diminish or impair property values.
The existing shopping center contains 102,035 square feet and has 477 parking spaces, or
a ratio of 4.67 parking spaces per 1000 square feet. The applicant has nine shopping
centers, of which four are in the same size range as Mounds View Square. The average
parking ratio for these four centers is 4.72 parking spaces per 1000 gross square feet
• regardless of use. The successful operation of these centers illustrates the fact that using a
ratio of 4.5 spaces per 1000 square feet for retail space is an appropriate ratio and will not
be detrimental to the purposes of the Zoning Code. Use of a ratio of 10 spaces per 1000
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square feet is burdensome. The parking lot for Mounds View Square is of sufficient size,
and the shopping center contains nighttime and daytime uses with offsetting parking
demands that no overflow parking or adverse effect on adjacent properties is anticipated.
The shopping center is separated from surrounding uses by streets.
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby find that the criteria for granting of a
variance in this case have been met.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning Commission
does hereby approve a variance in the parking ratios applicable to the Mounds View Square
Shopping Center as follows:
1. The parking ratios applicable to the addition and deletion of square footage proposed by
the applicant in Planning Case No. 461-96 and 463-96, and as shown in#2 below, shall be
as follows:
Retail Space 4.5 spaces per 1000 square feet
Dinner House Style Restaurants 1 space per 80 square feet of dining or kitchen area
• Storage,Etc no parking requirement for areas in storage,maintenance,
restrooms or the enclosed mall area
2. The existing 477 parking spaces on the property are deemed adequate to serve the square
footage and uses in place as of this date, which include the following:
Existing Existing+Expansion
Use Square Footage Square Footage
Retail: 62,005 66,005 (+4,000)
Storage: 16,645 17,645 (+1,000)
Dining: 8,050 11,290(+3240 net)
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Mall/Maintenance/Restrooms 9,275 9,275
Total 102,035 111,535
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3. Prior to issuance of any building permits for changes in square footage at the Mounds
View Square Shopping Center, other than interior remodeling, the property owner shall
obtain approval for development review as provided in Section 1006.06 of the Mounds
View Municipal Code.
Adopted this 6th day of November, 1996.
Jerry Peter airperson
ATTEST:
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Pamela Sheldon
Community Development Director
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• MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
RESOLUTION NO. 486-96
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
COUNTY OF RAMSEY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
FOR THE JOINT USE OF PARKING FACILI'1'1ES AT MOUNDS VIEW SQUARE
SHOPPING CENTER AT 2535-2585 HIGHWAY 10; PLANNING CASE NO. 461-96.
WHEREAS, Mounds View Square Assoc. LLP has applied for a conditional use permit to
allow joint use of parking facilities at Mounds View Square Shopping Center at 2535-2585
• Highway 10, which property is described as follows:
Part lying northeasterly of the centerline of State Trunk Highway 10 of NE 1/4
of N 1/4(Subject to Roads and Highways) in Section 7, Township 30, Range 23
WHEREAS, the Mounds View Square Shopping Center is located in the B-3 zoning
district; and,
WHEREAS, the site plan for the Mounds View Square Shopping Center was approved in
• 1989 which the provision of 503 parking spaces; and,
WHEREAS, the property owner obtained approval of a variance in parking requirements
to allow the use of 26 parking spaces for construction of trash dumpster enclosures, which
resulted in the reduction of parking on the site from 503 to 477 spaces; and,
WHEREAS, the City has determined by previous decisions that the 477 parking spaces
are sufficient to provide parking for the square footages and uses approved for the Mounds View
Square Shopping Center; and,
WHEREAS, the property owner is proposing to make the following changes in square
footages and uses on the site at some time in the future:
Existing Existing+Expansion
Use Square Footage Square Footage
Retail: 62,005 66,005 (+4,000)
Storage: 16,645 17,645 (+1,000)
Dining: 8,050 11,290(+3240 net)
Kitchen: 6,060 7,320 (+1260 net)
Mall/Maintenance/Restrooms 9,275 9,275
Total 102,035 111,535
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WHEREAS, the changes in square footages result from the removal of the Hardee's and
Bridgeman's Restaurants(4,800 sq.ft. in dining and 2,700 sq.ft. in kitchen) and the addition of •
two larger dinner house style restaurants, and the addition of 4,000 square feet of retail space and
1,000 square feet of storage space in the main retail building; and,
WHEREAS, the Mounds View Zoning Code allows for a conditional use permit to be
granted for joint use of parking where there are offsetting daytime and nighttime uses; and,
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby make the following findings of fact
regarding the requirements for granting of a conditional use permit for joint use of parking as set
forth in Section 1121.15 of the Mounds View Zoning Code:
(a) The building or use for which application is being made to utilize the off-street parking
facilities provided by another building or use shall be located within three hundred feet
(300')of such parking facilities and not separated by a public way.
All of the uses proposed as part of this joint parking arrangement are also part of a
coordinated shopping center. Because of the distribution of retail space and the parking, it
• is feasible for customers to find parking within 300 feet of their destination. A condition
has been included in this recommendation of approval that would require employees to
park in spaces behind the main retail building, to assure that the maximum parking is
available for customers.
(b) The applicant shall show that there is not substantial conflict in the principal operating hours
of the two(2)buildings or uses for which joint use of off-street parking facilities is
proposed.
The Zoning Code acknowledges that restaurants are primarily nighttime uses, and retail
businesses are primarily daytime uses. It should also be noted that,because of its size and
the variety of tenants, customers at Mounds View Square would be expected to combine
trips and use several different businesses. An allowance for some overlap in parking
requirements is logical in a shopping center of this size.
(c) A properly drawn legal instrument,executed by the parties concerned for joint use of off-
street parking facilities,duly approved as to form and manner of execution by the City
Attorney,shall be filed with the City Clerk-Administrator and recorded with the Register of
Deeds,Ramsey County.
A condition has been included in this recommendation of approval that joint parking and
access easements be recorded against the property for the benefit of all tenants prior to
• any development reviews being approved or building permits being issued for the
proposed expansion or the dinner house restaurants.
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WHEREAS, the Planning Commission does hereby find that the criteria for granting of a
conditional use permit for joint use of parking have been met.
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has granted a variance in the parking ratios which
apply to the uses in Mounds View Square such that the parking required for the expanded
shopping center would be 492 spaces (Resolution No. 485-96; Planning Case No. 463-96). The
Planning Commission regards the approval of revised parking ratios as a prerequisite to
recommending approval of this conditional use permit.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning Commission
does hereby recommend to the Mounds View City Council approval of a conditional use permit
for joint use of parking for the Mounds View Square Shopping Center with the following
conditions:
1. The parking ratios applicable to the addition and deletion of square footage proposed by
the applicant in Planning Case No. 461-96 and 463-96, and as shown in#2 below, shall be
as follows:
• Retail Space 4.5 spaces per 1000 square feet
Dinner House Style Restaurants 1 space per 80 square feet of dining or kitchen area
Storage,Etc no parking requirement for areas in storage,maintenance,
restrooms or the enclosed mall area
2. The existing 477 parking spaces on the property are deemed adequate to serve the square
footage and uses in place as of this date, which include the following:
Existing Existing+Expansion
Use Square Footage Square Footage
Retail: 62,005 66,005 (+4,000)
orage: ,
Dining: 8,050 11,290(+3240 net)
Kitchen: 6,060 7,320 (+1260 net)
Mall/Maintenance/Restrooms 9,275 9,275
Total 102,035 111,535
3. Prior to issuance of any building permits for changes in square footage at the Mounds
View Square Shopping Center, other than interior remodeling, the property owner shall
obtain approval for development review as provided in Section 1006.06 of the Mounds
View Municipal Code.
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4. The reduction in parking spaces required shall be from 492 spaces to 454 spaces or 38
spaces, which represents an 8%reduction in the parking requirement each for daytime
uses (256 x .08 =21) and for nighttime uses (236 x .08 = 18).
5. The property owner shall require of its tenants that employees park in the parking spaces
behind the main retail building to the extent parking is available, to assure that the
maximum parking is available for customers. The property owner shall supply a copy of a
notice to the tenants of this requirement.
6. The property owner shall submit a joint parking and access easement, allowing for use of
the parking area and access drives by all of the tenants in the shopping center, for approval
by the Community Development Director. The easement shall be recorded against the
property for the benefit of all tenants concurrent with any development reviews being
approved and prior to any building permits being issued for the proposed expansion or the
dinner house restaurants.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Planning Commission directs Staff to forward
this resolution to the City Council prior to approval of the minutes.
• Adopted this 6th day of November, 1996.
Jerry Peters n, Chairperson
ATTEST:
Pamela Sheldon
Community Development Director
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