HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-07-2011PROCEEDINGS OF THE MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
December 7, 2011
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112
1. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Chair Stevenson at 7:00 p.m. for December 7, 2011.
2. Roll Call
Members Present: Commissioners Cramblit, Meeblhause, Miller, Rundle, Schiltgen,
Stevenson and Smith.
Absent and Excused: None.
Also Present: Planning Associate Heidi Heller.
Index to Minutes Page
Approval of Minutes I
VR2011-008. Consideration of a Variance to Allow a Detached 2
Accessory Building to Exceed the Maximum Height Limit
MI2011-002. Consideration of a Minor Subdivision 5
Set 2012 Planning Commission Meeting Schedule 6
Review 2012 Planning Commissioner Applications 7
3. Approval of Minutes
November 2, 2011.
MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Cramblit/Commissioner Smith. To approve the Minutes of
the November 2, 2011 regular Planning Commission meeting as presented.
Ayes — 7 Nays — 0 Motion carried.
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4. Citizens Requests and Comments on Items Not on the Agenda
None.
5. Planning Cases
A. VR2011-008 Consideration of a Variance to Allow a Detached Accessory
Building to Exceed the Maximum Height Limit at 8027 Woodlawn Drive for
Tim Downing
Planning Associate Heller explained the Commission was to consider a variance request to allow
a detached accessory building (garage) to exceed the maximum height limit at 8027 Woodlawn
Drive. This was an after the fact variance as the garage has been constructed.
Associate Heller explained the applicant applied for a building permit in 2007 for a single story
garage. City staff approved the plans and the permit was issued in October 2007. However, the
garage was not built right away and several time extensions were given for the building permit.
In November 2009, the zoning code was changed to limit the height of accessory buildings to 18
feet. Work on the garage finally started in August 2010 and it was mostly completed by mid -
2011. Other than a footing inspection on August 31, 2010, no other building inspections had
been requested by the applicant. City Staff was not aware the garage had been built until it was
almost done. The garage that was built is two -stories tall and does not meet the previously
approved plans or the current zoning code.
Associate Heller stated the garage was being used for storage and the size of the garage is not
necessarily out of place on the larger lot. She presented the Commission with several
photographs of the garage and discussed City zoning code regulations. The current City Code
states that garages are not to exceed 18 feet and the garage is 22 feet 10 inches tall. The
Commission would need to review the variance request through the City's new variance
language and discuss if there is a practical difficulty. She reviewed several conditions if the
Commission were to approve the variance.
Chair Stevenson opened the public hearing at 7:18 p.m..
Commissioner Cramblit asked why windows were placed on three sides of the garage, if it was
only being used for storage.
Tim Downing, 8027 Woodlawn Drive, indicated he is a contractor, and had several leftover
windows and decided to use them on the building.
Commissioner Cramblit questioned the need for the second story garage door.
Mr. Downing stated this made it easier to bring items in to the second floor for storage.
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Commissioner Cramblit inquired how the original existing detached garage would be used now
Mr. Downing explained it was his intent to demolish this building and build an attached garage
in the future.
Commissioner Miller asked when the project would be completed. Mr. Downing noted he did
not currently have a timeline.
Commissioner Cramblit questioned if the homeowner was aware of the City's new zoning code
prior to constructing the garage.
Mr. Downing noted he was somewhat aware there was a change and spoke with the City about a
Cambria roof. He explained the original garage was exactly the same minus the dormers and
with a 10/12 pitch. He built the garage with a 12 pitch roof to allow for additional head room.
He stated he spoke with the building inspector about the roof height and a comment was made
that the height "would not be measured" by staff. For this reason, he went ahead with the 12
pitch roof and ordered the different trusses in August 2010.
Commissioner Schiltgen indicated the garage constructed was a long way off from the original
plans approved for the building permit.
Chair Stevenson stated the City Code in place at the time of actual construction limits accessory
structures to be no higher than 18 feet. He questioned how the City dealt with new construction
using "green" or "used" building materials.
Associate Heller stated this area of the international building code was changing with the push
towards green building. The building official typically allows "used" building materials as long
as they are in good condition and the original structural integrity is still in place. She noted the
building official would have more information on this issue.
Chair Stevenson commented City staff approved a building permit for a design that was then not
followed by the homeowner. He questioned if the plans would have been approved if
resubmitted.
Associate Heller stated the revised plans would not have been approved by staff as the height
exceeds City Code.
Chair Stevenson expressed concern with this case and stated he would not have been in favor of
approving this variance request if submitted prior to construction. He did not see the property as
being unusual and therefore, the construction of a garage this tall would not have been allowed.
Chair Stevenson stated that he did not support the variance request before the Commission this
evening.
Doug Less, owner of 7984 Woodlawn Drive, explained he lived on Woodlawn Drive from July
of 1987 to April of 2007. He planned to tear down the house and build a new home and large
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garage. He turned in the original set of drawings to the City and the City did not accept the plans
as the garage size exceeded 1,800 square feet. The plans were then revised to reduce the garage
size to meet the City's standards. After submitting the second set of plans, he was told the home
needed to be completed first before the accessory structure could be built. And tonight he
learned the height requirements for garages have now changed.
Mr. Less expressed frustration that this garage exceeded the height limitations and allowable
square footage, and in addition, there was no driveway to the structure. He was upset with the
mess created by the homeowner. He recommended that the second story be removed from this
structure.
Joanna Carlson, 8051 Woodlawn Drive, stated she did not object to the size of the garage as it
allowed for necessary storage. However, if this variance were approved, it could steamroll into a
problem in the future and set precedence.
Christy Downing, 8027 Woodlawn Drive, understood the City should not make exceptions. She
indicated her husband was working with building inspector Don on the garage, and perhaps he
did not understand the issues that would be created by exceeding the height. Ms. Downing
explained that her husband did not knowingly defy the City and its code.
Jerry Espeseth, 8005 Woodlawn Drive, indicated the garage was well built, however Mr.
Downing did not follow City Code. He stated his property value was down approximately 35%
and the large garage structure was not helping. He requested additional screening be added if the
Commission allowed for the variance.
Mr. Downing commented there were three garages with larger footprints than his within 200 feet
of his property. He stated the height allowed the building to block the Medtronic building. He
felt the garage should be considered a story and a half and not a two story. He stated that several
of his neighbors were not in compliance for issues on their property, but he was not bringing
them before the City. Mr. Downing noted he had approval from Staff for a similar garage and
requested the structure be allowed to remain.
Chair Stevenson closed the public hearing at 7:42 p.m.
Associate Heller reviewed the two versions of resolutions before the Commission this evening.
Chair Stevenson reviewed the resolution in detail commenting he did not see this property as
being unique. He indicated the property owner could have improved his property by adding an
accessory structure that met the City's requirements. For that reason, he did not feel the
Commission could approve this variance.
Commissioner Cramblit agreed stating the garage should have followed the original plans
submitted and approved by staff.
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Commissioner Schiltgen noted the timeframe from the original building plans submission to the
actual construction was really drawn out. Changes were made to the City Code during that time
and better communication should have been done by the City. For this reason, the variance
should be discussed further by the Commission.
Chair Stevenson commented the Commission's decision could be appealed to the City Council.
The Commission was being asked to review the practical difficulty and compliance with the
Zoning Code. He indicated that when construction began in 2010, the height limit in the Zoning
Code had already been changed, and the homeowner was not in compliance with the current
Code. For that reason, he would not vote in favor of the variance.
Commissioner Smith questioned if the Commission could approve this structure as a primary
garage instead of a secondary.
Chair Stevenson stated this wasn't something that could be done.
Commissioner Meehlhause asked how many building inspections should have been completed
on this garage by the City.
Associate Heller stated there should have been at least a footing inspection, framing inspection
and final inspection. Also, electrical, mechanical or plumbing inspections, if applicable. She
noted there were typically only three to four inspections on a garage. She explained that the City
only completed a footing inspection on this garage. The homeowner did not contact the City for
any other inspections.
Commissioner Cramblit indicated the 18 foot height restriction was created by the City to assure
there would be no living space above a garage. With the size of the garage, its dormers and
windows, the space could easily be converted to an apartment.
Chair Stevenson questioned how the Commission would like to proceed with the variance.
Commissioner Cramblit felt the Commission had enough information to take action on the
variance this evening and the item did not need to be tabled.
MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Cramblit/Chair Stevenson. To Approve Resolution 955-
11, a Resolution Denying a Variance to Allow a Detached Accessory Building to Exceed the
Maximum Height Limit; Planning Case No. VR2011-008.
Commissioner Schiltgen was conflicted with the denial of the variance as the City could have
communicated better with the homeowner.
Chair Stevenson stated if the applicant had followed the original plans, he would not have
needed a variance. However, he changed the plans and built the garage without coming back to
the City for approval.
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Commissioner Meehlhause noted the existing garage did not reflect the original plans and his
main concern was the excessive height.
Commissioner Smith asked if the homeowner had to follow the building codes from 2007 or
2010. Associate Heller stated the code existing in 2010 would have to be followed as this was
the time construction began by the homeowner.
Commissioner Miller noted the applicant could appeal the Planning Commission's decision to
the Council.
Ayes — 6
Nays —1 (Schiltgen) Motion carried.
B. NMO11-002 Consideration of a Minor Subdivision at 2565 Sherwood Road
for Bob & Mary Pearson
Planning Associate Heller indicated the Commission was being asked to consider a minor
subdivision of a vacant lot adjacent to 2565 Sherwood Road. Bob and Mary Pearson live at 2565
Sherwood Road and purchased the vacant property adjacent to the north about ten years ago.
She reviewed the location of the subdivision stating their neighbor would like to purchase a
portion of the vacant parcel to have a bigger backyard and build a garage. However, City Code
does not allow a garage to be built on a parcel without a primary structure. If the neighbor were
to combine the lots officially through Ramsey County, which would give them a single PIN
number, then an accessory structure would be allowed.
Associate Heller recommended that park dedication fees for this subdivision be captured only if
a home were built on the site. Accessory buildings would have to be removed if the parcels were
ever "disconnected" from each other.
Chair Stevenson noted Parcel B was landlocked and could not be built on.
Associate Heller stated Parcel A could be built on as it had access to existing road right-of-way
to the west, and Parcel B could possibly be part of a larger redevelopment project, but park
dedication fees would then be captured through the platting process.
Commissioner Smith questioned what the park dedication fees would be. Associate Heller stated
park dedication fees would be 5% of the County assessed value of the land.
Commissioner Miller commented that at this point in time, neither lot had any plans for
development.
Chair Stevenson opened the public hearing at 8:02 p.m.
Chair Stevenson closed the public hearing at 8:02 p.m.
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MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Meehlhause/Commissioner Rundle. To approve
Resolution 954-11, a Resolution Recommending Approval of a Minor Subdivision of a vacant
lot owned by Bob and Mary Pearson, adjacent to 2565 Sherwood Road; Planning Case No.
MI2011-002.
Ayes — 7 Nays — 0 Motion carried.
6. Other Planning Activity
A. Set 2012 Planning Commission Meeting Schedule
Planning Associate Heller requested the Commission establish its meeting schedule for 2012.
The meeting schedule proposed for 2012 represents the usual first and third Wednesday of every
month with the exception of July, which will need to be adjusted to account for Independence
Day. She recommended the Commission have a tentative date held on July 3`d or 5d' and cancel
the meeting if no cases were before the Commission.
Chair Stevenson recommended the meeting be changed from July 3`d or 5`h to July loth.
Commissioner Cramblit stated the meeting could be cancelled if there were no planning cases.
Chair Stevenson noted a special meeting could be called if needed by the Commission.
Associate Heller stated she did not see any problems with cancelling the July 0 meeting and
rescheduling the meeting to July 10th
MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Cramblit/Commissioner Schiltgen. To approve Resolution
953-11, a Resolution Establishing the 2012 Meeting Schedule of the Planning Commission as
discussed above.
Ayes — 7 Nays — 0 Motion carried.
B. Review 2012 Planning Commissioner Applications
Planning Associate Heller informed the Commission that the term of three Planning Commission
members — Gary Stevenson, Gary Meehlhause and Jean Miller - expire at the end of the year.
The City advertised the vacancies, with applications due on November 10, 2011. Staff received
applications from all three current Commissioners for another term. No other applications for
the Planning Commission were received by the City. She requested the Commission review the
applications and make a recommendation to the Council.
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MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Cramblit/Commissioner Rundle. To recommend the City
Council reappoint Gary Stevenson, Gary Meehlhause and Jean Miller to the Planning
Commission in 2012.
Ayes — 7
Nays — 0
7. Next Planning Commission Meeting:
A. December 21, 2011
B. January 4, 2012
8. Adjournment to Agenda Session
Motion carried.
There being no further business before the Planning Commission, Chair Stevenson adjourned the
meeting at 8:36 p.m.
(The meeting immediately adjourned to the Agenda Session)
Respectfully submitted,
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Heidi Heller
Planning Associate
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